Sensible Gun Safety

[youthathletics]

Why do gun rights groups feel it is necessary to lobby their legislatures with guns in hand? Is that really a convincing argument or is that just attempted intimidation? Do you really think this act is going to convince the majority legislators?

Would you rather them wear jerk hats?

[Kismet]

Actually there were people photographed in the area with grenade launchers. Then there's this regarding the three men arrested last week including, ironically, a Canadian citizen in the country illegally who were recorded advocating for killing people, poisoning water supplies and derailing trains.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/e ... -civil-war

The problem for these folks in Virginia is that they remain a MINORITY when it comes to voting in state elections.

[jhu72]

Why do gun rights groups feel it is necessary to lobby their legislatures with guns in hand? Is that really a convincing argument or is that just attempted intimidation? Do you really think this act is going to convince the majority legislators?

Would you rather them wear jerk hats?

I have no preference for what they wear. Just trying to understand their thinking. Based on what I have seen, they are clearly trying to send the message that "we will take up our guns if we don't get our way". Bad tactic / strategy. They are going to have to compromise, attempted intimidation is just going to harden their opposition more. It's a lie that society is trying to confiscate their guns. If they continue along that line of thought (and attack) they will come to a bad ending and may just convince society to confiscate their guns.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Oh well: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/us/kansa ... index.html

[Peter Brown]

20,000 gun toting 2A patriots and not one act of violence (let alone shots fired!).

https://wset.com/news/at-the-capitol/va ... n-richmond

The Moms Demand, Black Lives Matter, or AntiFa rallies happen (all Dems) and Rite Aids get burned down, stores get looted, innocent bystanders get beaten up.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/liberals- ... escalates/

Oh the irony.

And the obvious conclusions.

[holmes435]

20,000 gun toting 2A patriots and not one act of violence (let alone shots fired!).

https://wset.com/news/at-the-capitol/va ... n-richmond

The Moms Demand, Black Lives Matter, or AntiFa rallies happen (all Dems) and Rite Aids get burned down, stores get looted, innocent bystanders get beaten up.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/liberals- ... escalates/

Oh the irony.

And the obvious conclusions.

Now you're getting into the "terror threat" thread and away from the topic of gun control.

"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.

FACT CHECK: Is Left-Wing Violence Rising?

The far left wing is out there doing a little bit of looting and beating up, while the far right wing is shooting up synagogues, churches, running over protesters and more.

[Peter Brown]

20,000 gun toting 2A patriots and not one act of violence (let alone shots fired!).

https://wset.com/news/at-the-capitol/va ... n-richmond

The Moms Demand, Black Lives Matter, or AntiFa rallies happen (all Dems) and Rite Aids get burned down, stores get looted, innocent bystanders get beaten up.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/liberals- ... escalates/

Oh the irony.

And the obvious conclusions.

Now you're getting into the "terror threat" thread and away from the topic of gun control.

"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.

FACT CHECK: Is Left-Wing Violence Rising?

The far left wing is out there doing a little bit of looting and beating up, while the far right wing is shooting up synagogues, churches, running over protesters and more.

The easiest way to determine this would be to ask any sane human if they would feel safer marching amongst 2A supporters, or inside an Antifa rally. The Left always falls back on suppression, via liberty/speech/or body, eventually. No one wants a leftist society...for good reason. Have a gander at Venezuela to see what Bernie's policies would do here.

[holmes435]

The easiest way to determine this would be to ask any sane human if they would feel safer marching amongst 2A supporters, or inside an Antifa rally. The Left always falls back on suppression, via liberty/speech/or body, eventually. No one wants a leftist society...for good reason. Have a gander at Venezuela to see what Bernie's policies would do here.

Such a tired, predictable and absolute false reply with nothing to back it up. The right falls back on suppression via liberty, speech and body all the time. That's why we created this nation in the first place with guarantees to life and liberty, free speech and more. This was a much more progressive idea than the English system we left behind. What specific policies put forward by the left in the past few decades has lead to suppression of liberty, speech and body? Since they "always" fall back on it?

2A supporters are not the right's analogue of ANTIFA. I am a 2A supporter. More than half the country is a 2A supporter. Antifa is a fraction of a percent of the country. You don't even know what Antifa stands for, who they are, how big they are, or how often their rallies become violent. Plenty of Antifa people are 2A supporters. I'd personally feel safe marching in either as I know how to handle myself in crowds, support the 2A and am not a white supremacist. I'd be willing to bet most sane people, myself included, would rather not march with either at the moment.

How would Bernie's policies leave us like Venezuela? Please give me an actual answer leading from one of his proposals to how we would then become dependent on oil as our main economic engine which would lead to a major economic crisis after oil prices drop? Plenty of countries are doing well with policies Bernie likes and proposes.

You don't have anything to actually back up your blanket statements about the left, socialism, or your other bogeymen. It just makes you look like a partisan shill who hates half the country with no idea of how to compromise or work with your fellow Americans.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I have no problem with people owning guns. I used to own one myself but thought better of it when my kids were young. I think we have too many in this country and they are too easy to come by. I would like to change the culture and see demand decline followed by supply. I am not in favor of banning all guns. There is a reasonableness factor and common sense....where that line is, is debatable but it leans toward less guns and harder access versus more guns and easier access.

[holmes435]

Thanks for steering us back to the actual topic thread. PB, if you wanna debate your feelings about who's more dangerous, let's take that up over in the domestic terror thread.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Thanks for steering us back to the actual topic thread. PB, if you wanna debate your feelings about who's more dangerous, let's take that up over in the domestic terror thread.

Some history.....God Bless Ronald Reagan

[Peter Brown]

A YouGov poll released in 2018 found that half of all Dems want to outlaw “all” guns, and a majority were in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether.

Democrats generally don’t understand that gun ownership is a bulwark against government feeling free to strip you of your rights. Smarter Democrats understand this perfectly. Which is why they will do everything in their power to take your guns from you.

Fascism and authoritarianism anyways spring from collectivism. Resist it and stay free.

[Typical Lax Dad]

A YouGov poll released in 2018 found that half of all Dems want to outlaw “all” guns, and a majority were in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether.

Democrats generally don’t understand that gun ownership is a bulwark against government feeling free to strip you of your rights. Smarter Democrats understand this perfectly. Which is why they will do everything in their power to take your guns from you.

Fascism and authoritarianism anyways spring from collectivism. Resist it and stay free.

If you say so: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... t-gun-laws

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... 29/4b9cc/2

[holmes435]

A YouGov poll released in 2018 found that half of all Dems want to outlaw “all” guns, and a majority were in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether.

Democrats generally don’t understand that gun ownership is a bulwark against government feeling free to strip you of your rights. Smarter Democrats understand this perfectly. Which is why they will do everything in their power to take your guns from you.

Fascism and authoritarianism anyways spring from collectivism. Resist it and stay free.

If you say so: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... t-gun-laws

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... 29/4b9cc/2

To be honest he doesn't respond to actual conversation, nuanced or non-nuanced debate. He ignores data, and is mostly intent on provocation with outright lies. As fun as it is to identify everything wrong with his arguments again and again, it might be time to disengage as a forum. He's here mostly to troll it seems

[Bart]

A YouGov poll released in 2018 found that half of all Dems want to outlaw “all” guns, and a majority were in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether.

Democrats generally don’t understand that gun ownership is a bulwark against government feeling free to strip you of your rights. Smarter Democrats understand this perfectly. Which is why they will do everything in their power to take your guns from you.

Fascism and authoritarianism anyways spring from collectivism. Resist it and stay free.

If you say so: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... t-gun-laws

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... 29/4b9cc/2

Interesting data. Thanks for that. I do find it interesting that they say XYZ supports more restrictions on guns while several surveys ask specific questions regarding hand guns. Sorry pet peeve.

The middle set of data is very interesting to me. The restrict purchase til 21 is always an interesting question to me. In general if you are treated as an adult at 18 for some things then 18 for all. If you want to make it 21 then 21 for all...........

[jhu72]

Destruction of confiscated guns.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Destruction of confiscated guns.

I am fine with it. No reason for the police to put guns confiscated during a crime back on the street.

[Peter Brown]

A YouGov poll released in 2018 found that half of all Dems want to outlaw “all” guns, and a majority were in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether.

Democrats generally don’t understand that gun ownership is a bulwark against government feeling free to strip you of your rights. Smarter Democrats understand this perfectly. Which is why they will do everything in their power to take your guns from you.

Fascism and authoritarianism anyways spring from collectivism. Resist it and stay free.

If you say so: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... t-gun-laws

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... 29/4b9cc/2

To be honest he doesn't respond to actual conversation, nuanced or non-nuanced debate. He ignores data, and is mostly intent on provocation with outright lies. As fun as it is to identify everything wrong with his arguments again and again, it might be time to disengage as a forum. He's here mostly to troll it seems

Ummm, I think I posted a data point in my original post.

"trolling" = mentioning facts and common sense that can't square with the lunatic left's head fakes. Tell an online Lefty his Party wants to take all guns, they say, 'no we don't'. Ask 2,000 Dems if they want to take all guns, 50% say yup. Interesting. Must be trolling.

[holmes435]

A YouGov poll released in 2018 found that half of all Dems want to outlaw “all” guns, and a majority were in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether.

Democrats generally don’t understand that gun ownership is a bulwark against government feeling free to strip you of your rights. Smarter Democrats understand this perfectly. Which is why they will do everything in their power to take your guns from you.

Fascism and authoritarianism anyways spring from collectivism. Resist it and stay free.

If you say so: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... t-gun-laws

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... 29/4b9cc/2

To be honest he doesn't respond to actual conversation, nuanced or non-nuanced debate. He ignores data, and is mostly intent on provocation with outright lies. As fun as it is to identify everything wrong with his arguments again and again, it might be time to disengage as a forum. He's here mostly to troll it seems

Ummm, I think I posted a data point in my original post.

"trolling" = mentioning facts and common sense that can't square with the lunatic left's head fakes. Tell an online Lefty his Party wants to take all guns, they say, 'no we don't'. Ask 2,000 Dems if they want to take all guns, 50% say yup. Interesting. Must be trolling.

The first sentence mentioning the poll was fine. The next five are 100% trolling.

And your data is wrong. 39% of Democrats want to repeal the second amendment, not a majority. So that's a flat out lie (or trolling).

[Typical Lax Dad]

Oh well......

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/25/us/fathe ... index.html