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Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:37 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Or, he's been edumacated bettah since then.

Seriously, this is a fraught issue which many conservatives didn't comprehend much about just a few years ago. But with a little effort... (or not in some cases)...

I found the religious argument interesting.

And this: https://www.vox.com/2019/6/5/18637391/d ... ans-divide

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:54 pm
by ggait
‘Abolitionist Sumner’ was really nothing but a crude, dumb drunk who exaggerated his injuries. Read for yourself if you don’t know that.

A northern politician getting his arse handed to him after crudely disparaging someone else in public on the public dole, beaten by a southern boy with noble honor top of mind, is nectar to my heart. I have no sympathy for most politicians. Sorry not sorry.
Sumner may have been a drunk and a jerk who said naughty things about his southern colleagues in Congress.

But please, Petey, tell us what the subject of Sumner's speech was that got him caned?

Was it about state rights? Tariffs? Southern chivalry, pride and culture?

Or was the topic about something else?

A little help for ya linked below.

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/hi ... Kansas.htm

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:59 pm
by youthathletics
Worth a listen from Dr. Tony Evans on CRT: https://sermon-mp3s.s3.amazonaws.com/We ... Theory.mp3

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:13 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:59 pm Worth a listen from Dr. Tony Evans on CRT: https://sermon-mp3s.s3.amazonaws.com/We ... Theory.mp3
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:22 pm
by youthathletics
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:13 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:59 pm Worth a listen from Dr. Tony Evans on CRT: https://sermon-mp3s.s3.amazonaws.com/We ... Theory.mp3
:lol: :lol: :lol:
This aged well...from Mr. Omniscient. :lol: :lol:
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:45 am Only a fool can’t say “I was wrong” or “I didn’t know that”. “I made a mistake”…There is plenty I don’t know and I often research things I don’t know. That’s how you learn. You believe everything a person needs to know has been taught in school. Sounds foolish to me.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:26 pm
by Matnum PI
Wow. Interesting. A different time. Though not so different.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:34 pm
by Matnum PI
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:32 pm Don’t believe me? Read his article in 2017 saying the exact opposite of his Dispatch opinion.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/r ... privilege/
I don't see it as the opposite. he's saying "some academics", "some etc.". And he's not wrong. Some people do use "other's white privilege" as a weapon. But this doesn't mean that an entire swath of people are doing this. And, as MD is saying, people, French included, are better educated about this stuff than we were 4 years ago.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:33 pm
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:22 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:13 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:59 pm Worth a listen from Dr. Tony Evans on CRT: https://sermon-mp3s.s3.amazonaws.com/We ... Theory.mp3
:lol: :lol: :lol:
This aged well...from Mr. Omniscient. :lol: :lol:
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:45 am Only a fool can’t say “I was wrong” or “I didn’t know that”. “I made a mistake”…There is plenty I don’t know and I often research things I don’t know. That’s how you learn. You believe everything a person needs to know has been taught in school. Sounds foolish to me.
youth, it's an awfully long, convoluted podcast...care to summarize and give us your take?

This televangelist pastor is clearly struggling to make sense of all this...not exactly a historian. More of an entertainer.

But he's certainly got the bat off his shoulder (I know, I know, that's a baseball expression, not lax).

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:36 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:22 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:13 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:59 pm Worth a listen from Dr. Tony Evans on CRT: https://sermon-mp3s.s3.amazonaws.com/We ... Theory.mp3
:lol: :lol: :lol:
This aged well...from Mr. Omniscient. :lol: :lol:
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:45 am Only a fool can’t say “I was wrong” or “I didn’t know that”. “I made a mistake”…There is plenty I don’t know and I often research things I don’t know. That’s how you learn. You believe everything a person needs to know has been taught in school. Sounds foolish to me.
What was I wrong about? What don’t I know? What was my mistake? Just another jack legged preacher….the whole family eating at the trough. You can take advice from a preacher….I will after I have exhausted all other resources….dude wouldn’t know CRT from EBT. I am almost certain he didn’t know what it was 6 months ago. Reverend Ike is next.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I am not omniscient….just relying on my intellect. Like anything, you have to work at it to improve it.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:41 pm
by Typical Lax Dad


One of YA’s peeps….

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:56 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:41 pm

One of YA’s peeps….
Quite the character.
Boy, these dummies were so wrong.
Even as of that early point in time, he says 33 ministers and bishops in his state had already died from Covid...yet don't tell us what to do?

We have a tenant that's an evangelical church, currently led by an African American minister, diverse congregation though I'd say 60-70% white. They closed their doors to in-person services right away without argument and moved to online services; no loss of donation revenue (though of course were worried), strong 'attendance' online, when allowed to re-open this spring they did so with a hybrid in-person and online model, recognizing that it was still a threat for vulnerable congregants to be in-person...have been rewarded for their choices by a growing congregation.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:57 pm
by youthathletics
He has been on Christian radio for decades, while in seminary...https://tonyevans.org/about/tony-evans/

MD, if you can't listen to and focus on a 45 minute sermon, then shame on you. He even sets it up nicely in the beginning. Nice to see you throw stones at someone you know very little about...so judgmental. He draws a comparison to the good ole boys "club" network with whites and allowing blacks....probably like the The Maryland Club....that were apart of. ;) Maybe that got to you?

He then brings it full circle with historical biblical similarities with the Jews and the Gentiles.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:59 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:56 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:41 pm

One of YA’s peeps….
Quite the character.
Boy, these dummies were so wrong.
Even as of that early point in time, he says 33 ministers and bishops in his state had already died from Covid...yet don't tell us what to do?

We have a tenant that's an evangelical church, currently led by an African American minister, diverse congregation though I'd say 60-70% white. They closed their doors to in-person services right away without argument and moved to online services; no loss of donation revenue (though of course were worried), strong 'attendance' online, when allowed to re-open this spring they did so with a hybrid in-person and online model, recognizing that it was still a threat for vulnerable congregants to be in-person...have been rewarded for their choices by a growing congregation.
Pastor Mark went from folding chairs and card tables in his basement and Marshall ties to CEO of a “network” and Brooks Brothers after hooking up with Trump.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:59 pm
by Typical Lax Dad


I wonder what he would think of “CRT”? Sad that he can’t provide guidance.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:20 pm
by Brooklyn
Of course it is:


https://www.reportdoor.com/dems-decry-p ... hind-bars/


Dems decry Parson’s McCloskeys pardon as Kevin Strickland sits behind bars
August 4, 2021 by Erin Clark




Kevin Strickland, a Kansas City man who local and federal prosecutors say has spent more than 42 years in prison for a triple murder he did not commit, was again not among Missouri Gov. Mike Parson’s recent pardons.

That news Tuesday afternoon, coupled with Parson’s pardoning of a St. Louis couple who last year brandished guns at Black Lives Matter protesters, sparked outrage from some residents and Democrats.

Rep. Ashley Bland Manlove, a Kansas City Democrat and chair of the Missouri Legislative Black Caucus, on Wednesday called it “peak irony” for Parson to pardon “white people of privilege” who admitted to breaking the law while Strickland, Lamar Johnson — a prisoner St. Louis prosecutors say is innocent — and “countless others sit in prison for crimes all relevant parties say they did not commit.”

“Yesterday, the governor of our state indicated he will use the power of his office to protect criminals, while ignoring true miscarriages of justice when the victims of a biased criminal justice system happen to be Black,” Manlove said in a statement.

The governor’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment Wednesday morning.

Several other politicians, including Kansas City Mayor Quinton Lucas, posted on social media about Strickland, now 62, after the governor’s office released the names of 12 people Parson pardoned last week.

Among those pardoned were Mark and Patricia McCloskey, whose pointing of a rifle and a pistol from their front lawn at hundreds of protesters marching past their house in June 2020 catapulted them to conservative stardom. In May, Mark McCloskey entered the Republican primary for the Senate seat being vacated by Roy Blunt.

Mark McCloskey pleaded guilty in June to misdemeanor fourth-degree assault in the incident and was fined $750, acknowledging to a judge his actions had endangered others. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to second-degree misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. As they left the courthouse, Mark McCloskey told reporters he would “do it again.”



In a statement, Mark McCloskey said he and his wife were thankful the governor “righted this wrong” and pardoned them.

Parson has issued pardons on a roughly monthly basis since December to clear a backlog of about 3,000 cases that had accumulated from previous administrations.

Rep. Tony Lovasco, a St. Charles County Republican, called pardoning the McCloskeys the “right move,” but said there were “far greater miscarriages of justice” that deserve the governor’s attention and have bipartisan support.

Among them, he said: Strickland; Bobby Bostic, who was sentenced to 241 years in prison for robbery, kidnapping and other crimes he committed as a teenager; and Patty Prewitt, who has maintained her innocence in the killing of her husband in Holden.

Missouri House Minority Leader Crystal Quade, though, called it “beyond disgusting” for Parson to pardon the McCloskeys while men like Strickland remained behind bars.

“The contrast between the governor’s treatment of these cases should offend every Missourian’s sense of justice,” Quade, a Springfield Democrat, said in a statement. “It also proves the governor doesn’t have one.”

State Rep. LaKeySha Bosley, a St. Louis Democract, also denounced Parson’s pardons, saying it “ominously underscores that under his watch, justice belongs only to the privileged elite in this state.”

Bosley also said Republicans have pushed back on changing the state’s compensation law for the wrongly convicted. Missouri only allows payments to innocent people exonerated through DNA evidence, which would not be the case for Strickland.

“Both the governor and the attorney general have worked to block the release of innocent men, and the majority party in this state wants to unduly and unjustly punish people who do not deserve it,” Bosley said. “This is clear evidence that the criminal justice system is broken, and we wonder why people — especially people of color — believe justice is not for them.”

In Strickland’s case, which has received significant public outcry, Parson said in June the circumstances didn’t “necessarily make it a priority to jump in front of the line.” He later said he was not convinced Strickland is innocent.

It has been 86 days since Strickland received rare support from Jackson County Prosecutor Jean Peters Baker, who said her office had concluded Strickland, who was 18 when he was arrested, is “factually innocent” in the April 25, 1978, shooting at 6934 S. Benton Ave.

Strickland’s innocence claim was supposed to be heard during an evidentiary hearing Aug. 12 and 13, but it has since been pushed. Before that rescheduled hearing, Baker intends to file a motion Aug. 28 asking a Jackson County judge to exonerate Strickland.

The Missouri Attorney General’s Office, which will be able to present evidence at a future hearing, has argued that Strickland received a fair trial in 1979 and has “worked to evade responsibility” for the killings since then.

Now using a wheelchair, Strickland remains imprisoned at the Western Missouri Correctional Center in Cameron.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:24 pm
by jhu72
Brooklyn wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:20 pm Of course it is:


https://www.reportdoor.com/dems-decry-p ... hind-bars/


Dems decry Parson’s McCloskeys pardon as Kevin Strickland sits behind bars
August 4, 2021 by Erin Clark




Kevin Strickland, a Kansas City man who local and federal prosecutors say has spent more than 42 years in prison for a triple murder he did not commit, was again not among Missouri Gov. Mike Parson’s recent pardons.

That news Tuesday afternoon, coupled with Parson’s pardoning of a St. Louis couple who last year brandished guns at Black Lives Matter protesters, sparked outrage from some residents and Democrats.

Rep. Ashley Bland Manlove, a Kansas City Democrat and chair of the Missouri Legislative Black Caucus, on Wednesday called it “peak irony” for Parson to pardon “white people of privilege” who admitted to breaking the law while Strickland, Lamar Johnson — a prisoner St. Louis prosecutors say is innocent — and “countless others sit in prison for crimes all relevant parties say they did not commit.”

“Yesterday, the governor of our state indicated he will use the power of his office to protect criminals, while ignoring true miscarriages of justice when the victims of a biased criminal justice system happen to be Black,” Manlove said in a statement.

The governor’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment Wednesday morning.

Several other politicians, including Kansas City Mayor Quinton Lucas, posted on social media about Strickland, now 62, after the governor’s office released the names of 12 people Parson pardoned last week.

Among those pardoned were Mark and Patricia McCloskey, whose pointing of a rifle and a pistol from their front lawn at hundreds of protesters marching past their house in June 2020 catapulted them to conservative stardom. In May, Mark McCloskey entered the Republican primary for the Senate seat being vacated by Roy Blunt.

Mark McCloskey pleaded guilty in June to misdemeanor fourth-degree assault in the incident and was fined $750, acknowledging to a judge his actions had endangered others. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to second-degree misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. As they left the courthouse, Mark McCloskey told reporters he would “do it again.”



In a statement, Mark McCloskey said he and his wife were thankful the governor “righted this wrong” and pardoned them.

Parson has issued pardons on a roughly monthly basis since December to clear a backlog of about 3,000 cases that had accumulated from previous administrations.

Rep. Tony Lovasco, a St. Charles County Republican, called pardoning the McCloskeys the “right move,” but said there were “far greater miscarriages of justice” that deserve the governor’s attention and have bipartisan support.

Among them, he said: Strickland; Bobby Bostic, who was sentenced to 241 years in prison for robbery, kidnapping and other crimes he committed as a teenager; and Patty Prewitt, who has maintained her innocence in the killing of her husband in Holden.

Missouri House Minority Leader Crystal Quade, though, called it “beyond disgusting” for Parson to pardon the McCloskeys while men like Strickland remained behind bars.

“The contrast between the governor’s treatment of these cases should offend every Missourian’s sense of justice,” Quade, a Springfield Democrat, said in a statement. “It also proves the governor doesn’t have one.”

State Rep. LaKeySha Bosley, a St. Louis Democract, also denounced Parson’s pardons, saying it “ominously underscores that under his watch, justice belongs only to the privileged elite in this state.”

Bosley also said Republicans have pushed back on changing the state’s compensation law for the wrongly convicted. Missouri only allows payments to innocent people exonerated through DNA evidence, which would not be the case for Strickland.

“Both the governor and the attorney general have worked to block the release of innocent men, and the majority party in this state wants to unduly and unjustly punish people who do not deserve it,” Bosley said. “This is clear evidence that the criminal justice system is broken, and we wonder why people — especially people of color — believe justice is not for them.”

In Strickland’s case, which has received significant public outcry, Parson said in June the circumstances didn’t “necessarily make it a priority to jump in front of the line.” He later said he was not convinced Strickland is innocent.

It has been 86 days since Strickland received rare support from Jackson County Prosecutor Jean Peters Baker, who said her office had concluded Strickland, who was 18 when he was arrested, is “factually innocent” in the April 25, 1978, shooting at 6934 S. Benton Ave.

Strickland’s innocence claim was supposed to be heard during an evidentiary hearing Aug. 12 and 13, but it has since been pushed. Before that rescheduled hearing, Baker intends to file a motion Aug. 28 asking a Jackson County judge to exonerate Strickland.

The Missouri Attorney General’s Office, which will be able to present evidence at a future hearing, has argued that Strickland received a fair trial in 1979 and has “worked to evade responsibility” for the killings since then.

Now using a wheelchair, Strickland remains imprisoned at the Western Missouri Correctional Center in Cameron.
... absolutely disgusting what the power of the pardon has become under recent republican administrations at all levels. But what can you expect from the party of rich criminals. Been an problem with both parties since forever, but much smaller. Trump set a new standard, the Trumpnista toadies are carrying forward.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:31 pm
by Brooklyn
jhu72 wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:24 pm ... absolutely disgusting what the power of the pardon has become under recent republican administrations at all levels. But what can you expect from the party of rich criminals. Been an problem with both parties since forever, but much smaller. Trump set a new standard, the Trumpnista toadies are carrying forward.

Every word you use is 100% accurate. But at least these hate filled traitors no longer call themselves the principled party representing moral & family values along with the Divine & Holy Order.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:32 pm
by Peter Brown
Tamyra Mensah-Stock, The first Black American female wrestler to win Olympic Gold, made her pride for the United States known.

"It feels amazing; I love representing the U.S."

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/gold- ... d/1031031/

Great country. Great people.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:04 pm
by CU88
https://www.newamerica.org/education-po ... -going-on/


Critical Race Theory & Schools: What's Really Going On?
BLOG POST

By Jazmyne Owens
July 29, 2021

Critical race theory continues to come under sharp attack from the right, this time as state legislatures attempt to ban any discussion of the theoretical framework in schools. So far, Florida, Arkansas, Idaho, Oklahoma, Iowa, Texas, New Hampshire, and Tennessee have all passed bills that ban the teaching of critical race theory in classrooms, while similar proposals and resolutions have been introduced in at least 17 other states. While these bills call out critical race theory by name, their real objective is to censor and suppress teaching and learning about race in schools.

Critical race theory (CRT) is a theoretical framework developed in the 1970s and 80s by legal scholars as a way to understand the intersection of race, power, and policy. It has been debated by scholars and academics for many years, but last year CRT was brought back into the public discourse by former President Trump. The former President banned racial diversity training in the federal government and created the 1776 Commission in an effort to “restore patriotic education to our schools” through the development of a “pro-American curriculum that celebrates the truth of our nation’s great history.” The state bills that have emerged since capture the same energy and spirit, and take aim at critical race theory.

Commentary from the right describes critical race theory as being “un-American” and “divisive.” The conservative Heritage Foundation attributes a number of events to CRT including the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests, California’s ethnic studies curriculum, and Ohio’s state board of education’s implicit bias training. Further, the bills that have been introduced and passed use critical race theory as a catch-all phrase to cover anything that centers on race and racism. For example, legislation enacted this year in Oklahoma restricts teaching concepts related to critical race theory, white supremacy, and institutional racism. The problem with this is that CRT is not the same as culturally responsive teaching (notably also “CRT”), anti-racist curriculum, or diversity, equity, and inclusion training. By conflating these different topics and calling them critical race theory, the legislation attempts to censor the way race is framed and discussed in classrooms generally, rather than being aimed at the very specific CRT framework.

Most of the bills and resolutions that have been introduced and passed use very similar language to the former President’s now rescinded executive order, banning “divisive” or “racist and sexist” concepts like “one race or sex is inherently superior to another race or sex,” or “the United States is fundamentally racist or sexist.” Research from EdWeek writer Sarah Schwartz found that other language in the bills can be traced to model legislation drafted by conservative groups like Citizens for Renewing America, the Heritage Foundation, and the Alliance for Free Citizens. She also found that the public outcry against critical race theory in schools and the subsequent legislation was at least in part prompted by the murder of George Floyd in May 2020, and how teachers introduced “new lessons that turned attention to police brutality, racism, and bias.”

This summer a number of Congressional members have also weighed into the debate by bringing critical race theory back into the federal policy making space. Legislation to block federal funding for critical race theory “training” has been introduced by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), a bill to block DC public school students from learning about critical race theory has been introduced by Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI), and Sen. Tom Cotton’s (R-AR) bill goes so far as to restrict federal funds from K-12 schools and colleges and universities that “affirm tenets of critical race theory.”

Make no mistake, legislative moves to eliminate CRT from schools are about restricting and suppressing teaching and learning about race and, in turn, eliminating essential history from the curriculum. These legislative moves also have little to do with the CRT framework itself, other than proving its key tenets. By continuing to assert that any and everything about race is critical race theory, Republican legislatures are sending a message to their constituents, and to the country more broadly, that they are unwilling to learn about race and its relevance to our nation’s history, and won’t allow students in their state to do so either.

Re: Is America a racist nation?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:28 pm
by Peter Brown
No matter how hard you try to recast CRT as some sort of harmless lessons on racial history, it remains at its core a Marxist effort.

https://nypost.com/2021/05/06/what-crit ... lly-about/

This article might fly over most heads here, so it’s likely a lost cause. But I assure you, very few CRT ‘scholars’ care about the legal genesis or even racism itself; they simply wish to destroy America.