Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:41 pm
by ToastDunk
Okay, I must apologize here too for being MIA on this thread.
So if you'll humor me. Regarding the title of this thread, that's just a fact, white extremest groups ARE the biggest terror threat facing the US. I'm just checking-in to see that there's no disagreement on that point from anyone here on this thread.
Right?
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:46 pm
by MDlaxfan76
HooDat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:39 pm
I am not real inclined to give any elected official, particularly one at the state or national level time to grapple with their thinking on issues of hate.....
White supremacist, black supremacist, islamic supremacist ... FULL STOP NOPE ... you need to figure that stuff out well in advance of running for Congress. Come back to me when you have stopped hating.
That's a reasonable position. Stop the hating.
Gotta ask you though, you ever hear of 'black supremacists' before? Genetic and cultural superiority?
I haven't. Black Power, sure. Ain't the same.
But if there are, I'm with you.
And who is telling you guys that Omar "hates" Jews?
Are you really so sure, or is that what folks like Pirro and Hannity and Carlson are spewing?
I really don't know for sure, and I'm pretty darn tuned in on this area. Heck of a lot more than most of the posters on here, left or right.
But do you really think the Jews in Congress and the Dem party will give an ongoing pass for someone who hates them?
Really?
No way.
Look, the political rookie congresswoman fell into (or purposely used) some anti-Semitic tropes about money and Jews. Tropes that some of the posters on here didn't even realize were common historically! She's rightly catching lots of flak from those she needs to have support her. She's either going to 'evolve' her views and rhetoric, or she's toast in the Dem party. Doesn't mean she can't be anti-Netanyahu, or even anti-Zionist. Plenty of Jews are as well. Quite a few are sympathetic to the Palestinian situation as well.
Give it a couple of heart beats. Particularly if you are from the opposing party.
Way, way too much hypocrisy to get self-righteous about this if you're a Trump voter or supporter.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:48 pm
by MDlaxfan76
ToastDunk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:41 pm
Okay, I must apologize here too for being MIA on this thread.
So if you'll humor me. Regarding the title of this thread, that's just a fact, white extremest groups ARE the biggest terror threat facing the US. I'm just checking-in to see that there's no disagreement on that point from anyone here on this thread.
Right?
It'll be interesting to see who disagrees.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:02 pm
Anyone who doesn't swallow his TDS pablum is a Trump apologist.
Congress members need to learn & grow before they get there.
Results matter. Omar's also a moron & a hater, to boot.
She just happens to be a Muslim, which makes her immune from critique,
Really, she's "immune from critique"???
Why are we even talking about it then?
She caught a ton of flak from the Dems, including Leader Pelosi.
She's on a short string. I dunno about "moron & hater". I'm concerned about whether she really understands the tropes she played into. She's certainly being confronted over them! The question will be whether she learns from this, finds common cause with those who have suffered anti-semitism and Islamaphobia, and yet finds a way to be a critic of support for the Netanyahu government policies. Yeah, give her a chance.
But not years and years of chances like the GOP gave King, like they give Trump daily.
Salty, you claim not to be a Trump apologist, but we can read. TDS...
Right. Omar doesn't understand what she's messaging. ..
The GOP abandoned King & tried to primary him. They removed him from committees so he doesn't get any tv time to further embarass the party.
Pelosi put ACO, Omar, & Tlaib on prominent committees so they could generate inflammatory video clips, but their bomb throwing is producing collateral damage blowback. She needs to murder board their talking point readings before she puts them before the cameras.
None of this was new. So what ? None of this shows that I ever defended King. I don't think I ever commented on him before.
The GOP just now got off their butts. He's been an embarrassment to R's like me for a very long time. Apparently not you... What was I supposed to do ? I never voiced support for him. Until this flap, I paid no attention to him.
You're creating a strawman. You're channeling Joe McCarthy (he was a (R) too). You didn't even bother to ask if I now, or ever supported King.
And the GOP and you are going crazy about two Muslim women and one Hispanic woman who just arrived in Congress. Appointed to committees by, uh oh, another woman. Who you are now suggesting control them... Pelosi should pull Omar from the foreign affairs committee, like the GOP did for all of King's committee assignments. It's obvious GOP leadership wants King gone. Like you, Dem leadership is protecting & enabling Omar, with their watered down resolution which Omar claims as a victory -- she still doesn't acknowledge her antisemitic rhetoric.
I repeat, the discussion had been going back and forth about Omar and King, and the huge differences in the timeline re outrage. King two decades, Omar two months. You chose to chip in the way you did as if all is well with the GOP House censure of King (finally!!!) yet forget that, even now, after this most recent outrageous set of statements, he still has Trump's support and that of Trump's base. Yet claim to want to hold Omar to a dramatically higher standard.
We get it.
I'm going to be plenty tough on Omar after she's had a chance to learn and grow. I've been a 15 year board member of the leading group in the US in interfaith dialogue, founded 30 years ago to combat religious intolerance most specifically anti-semitism, and "where difference is a force for good". I helped move the organization from Christian Jewish dialogue to embrace the same process with Islam, and we've made slow, but important strides.
I've watched people learn and grow as they became exposed to the beauty of other religious backgrounds and grew more aware of their prior biases and misunderstandings. I've learned and grown through this exposure.
Omar needs to grapple with this. I'll give her a chance.
She's almost 40. When do you think might be long enuff?
How old are you 6ft?
I have hope for you, too.
Seriously, she's a rookie.
But she doesn't have long or she'll get benched.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:02 pm
Anyone who doesn't swallow his TDS pablum is a Trump apologist.
Congress members need to learn & grow before they get there.
Results matter. Omar's also a moron & a hater, to boot.
She just happens to be a Muslim, which makes her immune from critique,
Really, she's "immune from critique"???
Why are we even talking about it then?
She caught a ton of flak from the Dems, including Leader Pelosi.
She's on a short string. I dunno about "moron & hater". I'm concerned about whether she really understands the tropes she played into. She's certainly being confronted over them! The question will be whether she learns from this, finds common cause with those who have suffered anti-semitism and Islamaphobia, and yet finds a way to be a critic of support for the Netanyahu government policies. Yeah, give her a chance.
But not years and years of chances like the GOP gave King, like they give Trump daily.
Salty, you claim not to be a Trump apologist, but we can read. TDS...
Right. Omar doesn't understand what she's messaging. ..
The GOP abandoned King & tried to primary him. They removed him from committees so he doesn't get any tv time to further embarass the party.
Pelosi put ACO, Omar, & Tlaib on prominent committees so they could generate inflammatory video clips, but their bomb throwing is producing collateral damage blowback. She needs to murder board their talking point readings before she puts them before the cameras.
None of this was new. So what ? None of this shows that I ever defended King. I don't think I ever commented on him before.
The GOP just now got off their butts. He's been an embarrassment to R's like me for a very long time. Apparently not you... What was I supposed to do ? I never voiced support for him. Until this flap, I paid no attention to him.
You're creating a strawman. You're channeling Joe McCarthy (he was a (R) too). You didn't even bother to ask if I now, or ever supported King.
And the GOP and you are going crazy about two Muslim women and one Hispanic woman who just arrived in Congress. Appointed to committees by, uh oh, another woman. Who you are now suggesting control them... Pelosi should pull Omar from the foreign affairs committee, like the GOP did for all of King's committee assignments. It's obvious GOP leadership wants King gone. Like you, Dem leadership is protecting & enabling Omar, with their watered down resolution which Omar claims as a victory -- she still doesn't acknowledge her antisemitic rhetoric.
I repeat, the discussion had been going back and forth about Omar and King, and the huge differences in the timeline re outrage. King two decades, Omar two months. You chose to chip in the way you did as if all is well with the GOP House censure of King (finally!!!) yet forget that, even now, after this most recent outrageous set of statements, he still has Trump's support and that of Trump's base. Yet claim to want to hold Omar to a dramatically higher standard.
We get it.
I'm going to be plenty tough on Omar after she's had a chance to learn and grow. I've been a 15 year board member of the leading group in the US in interfaith dialogue, founded 30 years ago to combat religious intolerance most specifically anti-semitism, and "where difference is a force for good". I helped move the organization from Christian Jewish dialogue to embrace the same process with Islam, and we've made slow, but important strides.
I've watched people learn and grow as they became exposed to the beauty of other religious backgrounds and grew more aware of their prior biases and misunderstandings. I've learned and grown through this exposure.
Omar needs to grapple with this. I'll give her a chance.
You don't get anything. You just impose your preconceived notions on others.
The first I learned of King's record was when GOP leadership punished him. Fine with me.
Not worthy of my comment. GOP leadership did the right thing.
Omar has yet to be held accountable by Dem leadership for her antisemitic rhetoric. No committee assignments rescinded. A resolution that was so watered down that she voted for it & is holding it up as a victory. She showed no sincere contrition.
Maybe you should invite her on a retreat with you.
Really, that's the first you ever heard of King's white nationalist, white supremacist crappola???
Where you been? Watching Pirro?
Come on, it's just not credible that a guy as well-informed as you seem to be at times was totally clueless about King these past two years, at a minimum.
I pay very close attention to a few subjects which interest me. Others I ignore.
King did not make news in any of the subjects I follow. To me, he was lost in the political white noise.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:02 pm
Anyone who doesn't swallow his TDS pablum is a Trump apologist.
Congress members need to learn & grow before they get there.
Results matter. Omar's also a moron & a hater, to boot.
She just happens to be a Muslim, which makes her immune from critique,
Really, she's "immune from critique"???
Why are we even talking about it then?
She caught a ton of flak from the Dems, including Leader Pelosi.
She's on a short string. I dunno about "moron & hater". I'm concerned about whether she really understands the tropes she played into. She's certainly being confronted over them! The question will be whether she learns from this, finds common cause with those who have suffered anti-semitism and Islamaphobia, and yet finds a way to be a critic of support for the Netanyahu government policies. Yeah, give her a chance.
But not years and years of chances like the GOP gave King, like they give Trump daily.
Salty, you claim not to be a Trump apologist, but we can read. TDS...
Right. Omar doesn't understand what she's messaging. ..
The GOP abandoned King & tried to primary him. They removed him from committees so he doesn't get any tv time to further embarass the party.
Pelosi put ACO, Omar, & Tlaib on prominent committees so they could generate inflammatory video clips, but their bomb throwing is producing collateral damage blowback. She needs to murder board their talking point readings before she puts them before the cameras.
None of this was new. So what ? None of this shows that I ever defended King. I don't think I ever commented on him before.
The GOP just now got off their butts. He's been an embarrassment to R's like me for a very long time. Apparently not you... What was I supposed to do ? I never voiced support for him. Until this flap, I paid no attention to him.
You're creating a strawman. You're channeling Joe McCarthy (he was a (R) too). You didn't even bother to ask if I now, or ever supported King.
And the GOP and you are going crazy about two Muslim women and one Hispanic woman who just arrived in Congress. Appointed to committees by, uh oh, another woman. Who you are now suggesting control them... Pelosi should pull Omar from the foreign affairs committee, like the GOP did for all of King's committee assignments. It's obvious GOP leadership wants King gone. Like you, Dem leadership is protecting & enabling Omar, with their watered down resolution which Omar claims as a victory -- she still doesn't acknowledge her antisemitic rhetoric.
I repeat, the discussion had been going back and forth about Omar and King, and the huge differences in the timeline re outrage. King two decades, Omar two months. Geez mdlax, there wasn't much of a discussion. There may have been statements made by you, but here was the extent of the discussion: You...But where were you on Steve King's years of racist statements? How many chances did he deserve? I'm a Republican and it disgusted me.Me...Obviously he got what he deserved...that's why Omar should be subjected to same scrutiny/party discipline. Otherwise, if you don't agree then you yourself are an "apologist." Then, you made this statement to which I felt no need to respond to: You say King got what he deserved. Not really. He should have been rejected by the Party long ago, cut off from all GOP support, financial, polling, endorsements, etc, and cut off from all committee positions if he won the vote of his constituents nevertheless. He instead got chance after chance after chance, over a period of years and years, numerous election cycles. Still has the Trumpist wing support.
Frankly, like OS, I had never heard of King either, not before he became the latest racist du jour for the MSM. Perhaps you take pride in being informed about this stuff but I'm glad I haven't wasted time getting to know who all the representatives in both parties are, especially the racist ones. That said, from what I've seen, the guy (King) seems to be a despicable character. You chose to chip in the way you did as if all is well with the GOP House censure of King (finally!!!) yet forget that, even now, after this most recent outrageous set of statements, he still has Trump's support and that of Trump's base. Yet claim to want to hold Omar to a dramatically higher standard.
We get it.
I'm going to be plenty tough on Omar after she's had a chance to learn and grow. I've been a 15 year board member of the leading group in the US in interfaith dialogue, founded 30 years ago to combat religious intolerance most specifically anti-semitism, and "where difference is a force for good". I helped move the organization from Christian Jewish dialogue to embrace the same process with Islam, and we've made slow, but important strides.
I've watched people learn and grow as they became exposed to the beauty of other religious backgrounds and grew more aware of their prior biases and misunderstandings. I've learned and grown through this exposure.
Omar needs to grapple with this. I'll give her a chance.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:02 pm
Anyone who doesn't swallow his TDS pablum is a Trump apologist.
Congress members need to learn & grow before they get there.
Results matter. Omar's also a moron & a hater, to boot.
She just happens to be a Muslim, which makes her immune from critique,
Really, she's "immune from critique"???
Why are we even talking about it then?
She caught a ton of flak from the Dems, including Leader Pelosi.
She's on a short string. I dunno about "moron & hater". I'm concerned about whether she really understands the tropes she played into. She's certainly being confronted over them! The question will be whether she learns from this, finds common cause with those who have suffered anti-semitism and Islamaphobia, and yet finds a way to be a critic of support for the Netanyahu government policies. Yeah, give her a chance.
But not years and years of chances like the GOP gave King, like they give Trump daily.
Salty, you claim not to be a Trump apologist, but we can read. TDS...
Right. Omar doesn't understand what she's messaging. ..
The GOP abandoned King & tried to primary him. They removed him from committees so he doesn't get any tv time to further embarass the party.
Pelosi put ACO, Omar, & Tlaib on prominent committees so they could generate inflammatory video clips, but their bomb throwing is producing collateral damage blowback. She needs to murder board their talking point readings before she puts them before the cameras.
None of this was new. So what ? None of this shows that I ever defended King. I don't think I ever commented on him before.
The GOP just now got off their butts. He's been an embarrassment to R's like me for a very long time. Apparently not you... What was I supposed to do ? I never voiced support for him. Until this flap, I paid no attention to him.
You're creating a strawman. You're channeling Joe McCarthy (he was a (R) too). You didn't even bother to ask if I now, or ever supported King.
And the GOP and you are going crazy about two Muslim women and one Hispanic woman who just arrived in Congress. Appointed to committees by, uh oh, another woman. Who you are now suggesting control them... Pelosi should pull Omar from the foreign affairs committee, like the GOP did for all of King's committee assignments. It's obvious GOP leadership wants King gone. Like you, Dem leadership is protecting & enabling Omar, with their watered down resolution which Omar claims as a victory -- she still doesn't acknowledge her antisemitic rhetoric.
I repeat, the discussion had been going back and forth about Omar and King, and the huge differences in the timeline re outrage. King two decades, Omar two months. Geez mdlax, there wasn't much of a discussion. There may have been statements made by you, but here was the extent of the discussion: You...But where were you on Steve King's years of racist statements? How many chances did he deserve? I'm a Republican and it disgusted me.Me...Obviously he got what he deserved...that's why Omar should be subjected to same scrutiny/party discipline. Otherwise, if you don't agree then you yourself are an "apologist." Then, you made this statement to which I felt no need to respond to: You say King got what he deserved. Not really. He should have been rejected by the Party long ago, cut off from all GOP support, financial, polling, endorsements, etc, and cut off from all committee positions if he won the vote of his constituents nevertheless. He instead got chance after chance after chance, over a period of years and years, numerous election cycles. Still has the Trumpist wing support.
Frankly, like OS, I had never heard of King either, not before he became the latest racist du jour for the MSM. Perhaps you take pride in being informed about this stuff but I'm glad I haven't wasted time getting to know who all the representatives in both parties are, especially the racist ones. That said, from what I've seen, the guy (King) seems to be a despicable character. You chose to chip in the way you did as if all is well with the GOP House censure of King (finally!!!) yet forget that, even now, after this most recent outrageous set of statements, he still has Trump's support and that of Trump's base. Yet claim to want to hold Omar to a dramatically higher standard.
We get it.
I'm going to be plenty tough on Omar after she's had a chance to learn and grow. I've been a 15 year board member of the leading group in the US in interfaith dialogue, founded 30 years ago to combat religious intolerance most specifically anti-semitism, and "where difference is a force for good". I helped move the organization from Christian Jewish dialogue to embrace the same process with Islam, and we've made slow, but important strides.
I've watched people learn and grow as they became exposed to the beauty of other religious backgrounds and grew more aware of their prior biases and misunderstandings. I've learned and grown through this exposure.
Omar needs to grapple with this. I'll give her a chance.
Yeah, I guess if you stick to right wing media sources, you won't hear about this kind of jackoff until the criticism can be twisted into some sort of whining, woe is me, the liberal fools are attacking us again...
King has been very much in the news for his racist comments these past two years. Big, big fan of Trump and Pence and that brought him into focus for many of us fellow R's not from his home state. But what that focus revealed was that he's been a long time racist, over and over again for decades. Always given a pass by the GOP, because he's from a safe, highly conservative seat in rural Iowa...and Iowa is important tin Presidential runs.
But when, you and Salty, just lowly voters like me, noticed King really isn't the issue. The GOP knew for decades and gave him a pass.
It's great that they are no longer doing so, thank goodness. But spare us the outrage over a rookie Dem congresswoman, who happens to be Muslim. If an old white GOP politician had made these much more subtle comments...ohh wait, Trump. Far less subtle and a long lifetime of such.
Again, Omar's on a short string here or her party's going to bench her. As they should.
When are we going to bench Trump?
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:02 pm
Anyone who doesn't swallow his TDS pablum is a Trump apologist.
Congress members need to learn & grow before they get there.
Results matter. Omar's also a moron & a hater, to boot.
She just happens to be a Muslim, which makes her immune from critique,
Really, she's "immune from critique"???
Why are we even talking about it then?
She caught a ton of flak from the Dems, including Leader Pelosi.
She's on a short string. I dunno about "moron & hater". I'm concerned about whether she really understands the tropes she played into. She's certainly being confronted over them! The question will be whether she learns from this, finds common cause with those who have suffered anti-semitism and Islamaphobia, and yet finds a way to be a critic of support for the Netanyahu government policies. Yeah, give her a chance.
But not years and years of chances like the GOP gave King, like they give Trump daily.
Salty, you claim not to be a Trump apologist, but we can read. TDS...
Right. Omar doesn't understand what she's messaging. ..
The GOP abandoned King & tried to primary him. They removed him from committees so he doesn't get any tv time to further embarass the party.
Pelosi put ACO, Omar, & Tlaib on prominent committees so they could generate inflammatory video clips, but their bomb throwing is producing collateral damage blowback. She needs to murder board their talking point readings before she puts them before the cameras.
None of this was new. So what ? None of this shows that I ever defended King. I don't think I ever commented on him before.
The GOP just now got off their butts. He's been an embarrassment to R's like me for a very long time. Apparently not you... What was I supposed to do ? I never voiced support for him. Until this flap, I paid no attention to him.
You're creating a strawman. You're channeling Joe McCarthy (he was a (R) too). You didn't even bother to ask if I now, or ever supported King.
And the GOP and you are going crazy about two Muslim women and one Hispanic woman who just arrived in Congress. Appointed to committees by, uh oh, another woman. Who you are now suggesting control them... Pelosi should pull Omar from the foreign affairs committee, like the GOP did for all of King's committee assignments. It's obvious GOP leadership wants King gone. Like you, Dem leadership is protecting & enabling Omar, with their watered down resolution which Omar claims as a victory -- she still doesn't acknowledge her antisemitic rhetoric.
I repeat, the discussion had been going back and forth about Omar and King, and the huge differences in the timeline re outrage. King two decades, Omar two months. Geez mdlax, there wasn't much of a discussion. There may have been statements made by you, but here was the extent of the discussion: You...But where were you on Steve King's years of racist statements? How many chances did he deserve? I'm a Republican and it disgusted me.Me...Obviously he got what he deserved...that's why Omar should be subjected to same scrutiny/party discipline. Otherwise, if you don't agree then you yourself are an "apologist." Then, you made this statement to which I felt no need to respond to: You say King got what he deserved. Not really. He should have been rejected by the Party long ago, cut off from all GOP support, financial, polling, endorsements, etc, and cut off from all committee positions if he won the vote of his constituents nevertheless. He instead got chance after chance after chance, over a period of years and years, numerous election cycles. Still has the Trumpist wing support.
Frankly, like OS, I had never heard of King either, not before he became the latest racist du jour for the MSM. Perhaps you take pride in being informed about this stuff but I'm glad I haven't wasted time getting to know who all the representatives in both parties are, especially the racist ones. That said, from what I've seen, the guy (King) seems to be a despicable character. You chose to chip in the way you did as if all is well with the GOP House censure of King (finally!!!) yet forget that, even now, after this most recent outrageous set of statements, he still has Trump's support and that of Trump's base. Yet claim to want to hold Omar to a dramatically higher standard.
We get it.
I'm going to be plenty tough on Omar after she's had a chance to learn and grow. I've been a 15 year board member of the leading group in the US in interfaith dialogue, founded 30 years ago to combat religious intolerance most specifically anti-semitism, and "where difference is a force for good". I helped move the organization from Christian Jewish dialogue to embrace the same process with Islam, and we've made slow, but important strides.
I've watched people learn and grow as they became exposed to the beauty of other religious backgrounds and grew more aware of their prior biases and misunderstandings. I've learned and grown through this exposure.
Omar needs to grapple with this. I'll give her a chance.
Yeah, I guess if you stick to right wing media sources, you won't hear about this kind of jackoff until the criticism can be twisted into some sort of whining, woe is me, the liberal fools are attacking us again...
King has been very much in the news for his racist comments these past two years. Big, big fan of Trump and Pence and that brought him into focus for many of us fellow R's not from his home state. But what that focus revealed was that he's been a long time racist, over and over again for decades. Always given a pass by the GOP, because he's from a safe, highly conservative seat in rural Iowa...and Iowa is important tin Presidential runs.
But when, you and Salty, just lowly voters like me, noticed King really isn't the issue. The GOP knew for decades and gave him a pass.
It's great that they are no longer doing so, thank goodness. But spare us the outrage over a rookie Dem congresswoman, who happens to be Muslim. If an old white GOP politician had made these much more subtle comments...ohh wait, Trump. Far less subtle and a long lifetime of such.
Again, Omar's on a short string here or her party's going to bench her. As they should.
When are we going to bench Trump?
aarrgghh...please, lose the tutorial!
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:34 pm
by old salt
She doesn't even know the name of the diplomat she's insulting.
How knowledgeable is she about the Nicaraguan Cortras (sic) ?
She doesn't rehearse her talking points with the staffer who wrote them either.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:02 pm
Anyone who doesn't swallow his TDS pablum is a Trump apologist.
Congress members need to learn & grow before they get there.
Results matter. Omar's also a moron & a hater, to boot.
She just happens to be a Muslim, which makes her immune from critique,
Really, she's "immune from critique"???
Why are we even talking about it then?
She caught a ton of flak from the Dems, including Leader Pelosi.
She's on a short string. I dunno about "moron & hater". I'm concerned about whether she really understands the tropes she played into. She's certainly being confronted over them! The question will be whether she learns from this, finds common cause with those who have suffered anti-semitism and Islamaphobia, and yet finds a way to be a critic of support for the Netanyahu government policies. Yeah, give her a chance.
But not years and years of chances like the GOP gave King, like they give Trump daily.
Salty, you claim not to be a Trump apologist, but we can read. TDS...
Right. Omar doesn't understand what she's messaging. ..
The GOP abandoned King & tried to primary him. They removed him from committees so he doesn't get any tv time to further embarass the party.
Pelosi put ACO, Omar, & Tlaib on prominent committees so they could generate inflammatory video clips, but their bomb throwing is producing collateral damage blowback. She needs to murder board their talking point readings before she puts them before the cameras.
None of this was new. So what ? None of this shows that I ever defended King. I don't think I ever commented on him before.
The GOP just now got off their butts. He's been an embarrassment to R's like me for a very long time. Apparently not you... What was I supposed to do ? I never voiced support for him. Until this flap, I paid no attention to him.
You're creating a strawman. You're channeling Joe McCarthy (he was a (R) too). You didn't even bother to ask if I now, or ever supported King.
And the GOP and you are going crazy about two Muslim women and one Hispanic woman who just arrived in Congress. Appointed to committees by, uh oh, another woman. Who you are now suggesting control them... Pelosi should pull Omar from the foreign affairs committee, like the GOP did for all of King's committee assignments. It's obvious GOP leadership wants King gone. Like you, Dem leadership is protecting & enabling Omar, with their watered down resolution which Omar claims as a victory -- she still doesn't acknowledge her antisemitic rhetoric.
I repeat, the discussion had been going back and forth about Omar and King, and the huge differences in the timeline re outrage. King two decades, Omar two months. Geez mdlax, there wasn't much of a discussion. There may have been statements made by you, but here was the extent of the discussion: You...But where were you on Steve King's years of racist statements? How many chances did he deserve? I'm a Republican and it disgusted me.Me...Obviously he got what he deserved...that's why Omar should be subjected to same scrutiny/party discipline. Otherwise, if you don't agree then you yourself are an "apologist." Then, you made this statement to which I felt no need to respond to: You say King got what he deserved. Not really. He should have been rejected by the Party long ago, cut off from all GOP support, financial, polling, endorsements, etc, and cut off from all committee positions if he won the vote of his constituents nevertheless. He instead got chance after chance after chance, over a period of years and years, numerous election cycles. Still has the Trumpist wing support.
Frankly, like OS, I had never heard of King either, not before he became the latest racist du jour for the MSM. Perhaps you take pride in being informed about this stuff but I'm glad I haven't wasted time getting to know who all the representatives in both parties are, especially the racist ones. That said, from what I've seen, the guy (King) seems to be a despicable character. You chose to chip in the way you did as if all is well with the GOP House censure of King (finally!!!) yet forget that, even now, after this most recent outrageous set of statements, he still has Trump's support and that of Trump's base. Yet claim to want to hold Omar to a dramatically higher standard.
We get it.
I'm going to be plenty tough on Omar after she's had a chance to learn and grow. I've been a 15 year board member of the leading group in the US in interfaith dialogue, founded 30 years ago to combat religious intolerance most specifically anti-semitism, and "where difference is a force for good". I helped move the organization from Christian Jewish dialogue to embrace the same process with Islam, and we've made slow, but important strides.
I've watched people learn and grow as they became exposed to the beauty of other religious backgrounds and grew more aware of their prior biases and misunderstandings. I've learned and grown through this exposure.
Omar needs to grapple with this. I'll give her a chance.
Yeah, I guess if you stick to right wing media sources, you won't hear about this kind of jackoff until the criticism can be twisted into some sort of whining, woe is me, the liberal fools are attacking us again...
King has been very much in the news for his racist comments these past two years. Big, big fan of Trump and Pence and that brought him into focus for many of us fellow R's not from his home state. But what that focus revealed was that he's been a long time racist, over and over again for decades. Always given a pass by the GOP, because he's from a safe, highly conservative seat in rural Iowa...and Iowa is important tin Presidential runs.
But when, you and Salty, just lowly voters like me, noticed King really isn't the issue. The GOP knew for decades and gave him a pass.
It's great that they are no longer doing so, thank goodness. But spare us the outrage over a rookie Dem congresswoman, who happens to be Muslim. If an old white GOP politician had made these much more subtle comments...ohh wait, Trump. Far less subtle and a long lifetime of such.
Again, Omar's on a short string here or her party's going to bench her. As they should.
When are we going to bench Trump?
aarrgghh...please, lose the tutorial!
ok, so you missed the point, again, that it doesn't matter when you and Salty heard of King, the GOP knew for decades?
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:02 pm
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:34 pm
She doesn't even know the name of the diplomat she's insulting.
How knowledgeable is she about the Nicaraguan Cortras (sic) ?
She doesn't rehearse her talking points with the staffer who wrote them either.
Thanks for sharing.
She indeed comes across poorly. In a variety of ways.
So does the guy she's questioning.
Hate the format of these kinds of sessions. She begins with some setting the stage of why not to trust him, given his history, but doesn't let him defend himself, as her time is so short and the questions she actually wants answered come later.
Those are actually legitimate questions, but she creates such a hostile situation that there's no real dialogue possible.
And way, way too short to really get at her legitimate concern (from her perspective). By the time she actually gets to the point, time's up.
What she's basically challenging is: in our process of supporting one faction versus another in South or Central America, or wherever for that matter, whether we are willing to sacrifice human rights values in order to achieve 'democracy' or other government favorable to the United States. Are our interests the people or are they our capitalist interests in their resources. It's an interesting question, and indeed our history to our south is fraught with missteps and massive human rights abuses. Important discussion.
I don't have a problem with this challenge, but the grandstanding nature of the process is not conducive to real exploration.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Exactly, she's not going to get a pass from the Dem party nor the mainstream media.
Good for the two Muslim constituents going on camera to confront her words. The Jewish leader/constituent was also excellent.
I did think her interview clip explaining was solid too. But she needs to be aware that whatever her intent might have been, her words were really wrong, not simply misunderstood.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:34 pm
She doesn't even know the name of the diplomat she's insulting.
How knowledgeable is she about the Nicaraguan Cortras (sic) ?
She doesn't rehearse her talking points with the staffer who wrote them either.
Thanks for sharing.
She indeed comes across poorly. In a variety of ways.
So does the guy she's questioning.
Hate the format of these kinds of sessions. She begins with some setting the stage of why not to trust him, given his history, but doesn't let him defend himself, as her time is so short and the questions she actually wants answered come later.
Those are actually legitimate questions, but she creates such a hostile situation that there's no real dialogue possible.
And way, way too short to really get at her legitimate concern (from her perspective). By the time she actually gets to the point, time's up.
What she's basically challenging is: in our process of supporting one faction versus another in South or Central America, or wherever for that matter, whether we are willing to sacrifice human rights values in order to achieve 'democracy' or other government favorable to the United States. Are our interests the people or are they our capitalist interests in their resources. It's an interesting question, and indeed our history to our south is fraught with missteps and massive human rights abuses. Important discussion.
I don't have a problem with this challenge, but the grandstanding nature of the process is not conducive to real exploration.
She's just a puppet, mouthing the words which her handlers prepared for her.
How much do you think she knows about Abram's history or the Contra affair ?
It was a staged video hit piece, but she blew her lines.
She can't even read their names. Being an immigrant is no excuse.
She's a US HS & college grad who has lived in the US for 14 years.
She served in the MN Legislature.
She is stunningly unqualified to be on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
There are some very qualified (D) freshmen members who could have capably filled that seat.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Trinity wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:02 am
Trump doesn’t see it as a threat. Small group. Two foursomes, if. Breathe that gas in, America. Even though terrorists are slaughtering innocents and saying Trump inspires them, bragging from the bully pulpit that the tough guys with guns are on his side.
As the board resistance jokeman TLD once said (only thing I've ever agreed with), "bad people do bad things." Does that nugget of wisdom only count for brown people?
White nationalist are bad people. Just like extremist of all ilk.
I think this is literally true of white nationalists/white supremacists, although just like other perpetrators of evil, individuals within such a movement are capable of redemption. They aren't, however, "good people" until they actually reject such evil ideology.
Most never do.
what if it's merely a thought and no action?
can we call people "bad" for simply having thoughts?
alternatively, are black nationalists then bad people?
what about this one (a verbalized thought): "Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel."
Yes, people can be 'bad' for their thoughts. They don't need to have become violent to have hateful bigotry in their hearts.
I can definitely speak to the ideology of white nationalism/white supremacy. Evil. Period. Horrendous legacy.
I don't think 'black nationalism' had the same notions of genetic superiority inherent in the white supremacy movement, but to the extent that hate was fostered, that's 'bad', evil.
On Omar's statement above, there's not necessarily an equivalence between "Israel" and Judaism or Jews. It's more complicated. What she meant though, may well have been anti-semitic, so I'm not letting her off the hook. But I'd give her a chance to redeem herself, and time to do so.
thanks- whether i agree or not- how to regulate?
and so we agree on the second point- if a person of color hates whites- they then are bad people.
that only leaves the question- do degrees matter here. i think no.
omar's statement can be as complicated as you want. israel is doing evil. doesnt matter what creed. it's hateful and that makes her bad, by your logic. full stop nope.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:55 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:34 pm
She doesn't even know the name of the diplomat she's insulting.
How knowledgeable is she about the Nicaraguan Cortras (sic) ?
She doesn't rehearse her talking points with the staffer who wrote them either.
A fraudster, broke real estate developer and reality tv personality is POTUS....this woman can sit on a committee.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:08 am
by tech37
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:43 pm
ok, so you missed the point, again, that it doesn't matter when you and Salty heard of King, the GOP knew for decades?
Oh I didn't miss the point at all. I just found the pedantic tone of your post to be ponderous.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:34 pm
She doesn't even know the name of the diplomat she's insulting.
How knowledgeable is she about the Nicaraguan Cortras (sic) ?
She doesn't rehearse her talking points with the staffer who wrote them either.
Thanks for sharing.
She indeed comes across poorly. In a variety of ways.
So does the guy she's questioning.
Hate the format of these kinds of sessions. She begins with some setting the stage of why not to trust him, given his history, but doesn't let him defend himself, as her time is so short and the questions she actually wants answered come later.
Those are actually legitimate questions, but she creates such a hostile situation that there's no real dialogue possible.
And way, way too short to really get at her legitimate concern (from her perspective). By the time she actually gets to the point, time's up.
What she's basically challenging is: in our process of supporting one faction versus another in South or Central America, or wherever for that matter, whether we are willing to sacrifice human rights values in order to achieve 'democracy' or other government favorable to the United States. Are our interests the people or are they our capitalist interests in their resources. It's an interesting question, and indeed our history to our south is fraught with missteps and massive human rights abuses. Important discussion.
I don't have a problem with this challenge, but the grandstanding nature of the process is not conducive to real exploration.
She's just a puppet, mouthing the words which her handlers prepared for her.
How much do you think she knows about Abram's history or the Contra affair ?
It was a staged video hit piece, but she blew her lines.
She can't even read their names. Being an immigrant is no excuse.
She's a US HS & college grad who has lived in the US for 14 years.
She served in the MN Legislature.
She is stunningly unqualified to be on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
There are some very qualified (D) freshmen members who could have capably filled that seat.
Fortunately your opinion of her qualifications doesn't matter.
Did someone on here excuse her language skills because she's an immigrant? It's actually a fair point, but I agree that it hurts her effectiveness if she fumbles her prepared text. She did much better toward the end when she wasn't speaking from the text.
But you don't have a clue as to whether she knows about or understands the history of US foreign policy and interventions.
IMO, she brings an interesting perspective, quite novel in the Committee's history.
Quite the contrast to the "offended" subject of her questioning.
And she actually appeared to have a solid command of the issue she was going after.
That said, it would have been far more interesting to have had a comprehensive dialogue on the topic...that's why this 5 minute drill process is so problematic.
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