police criminals attack innocent student:
This forum used to be filled with big Second Amendment rights advocates who said we need weapons to protect us from government. Let's see them now demand that retributive action be taken by the public against these vicious government criminals.
Crime and Punishment
Re: Crime and Punishment
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: Crime and Punishment
^ I guess all my forum right wingers who used to call for 2d Amendment rights as protection from government have again gone silent rather than to demand public retribution for the crimes committed by the cops.
No surprise.
Speaking of violence, once again there is a violent gun attack in a republiCON state:
https://news.yahoo.com/multiple-shooter ... 27604.html
A woman is dead and four others are injured after multiple people opened fire at a party in North Carolina, police say.
Winston-Salem police responded just before 8 p.m. on Saturday, April 22, to a pavilion at Happy Hill Park and found several gunshot victims and a large crowd fleeing the party, according to the Winston-Salem Journal. There were more than 200 people in attendance when the shooting began.
Beatrice Maxine Knights, 21, was pronounced dead at the scene, police told WGHP.
A 34-year-old woman who was shot in the arm, leg and abdomen was taken to the hospital by EMS, the outlet reported. Her injuries are not considered life-threatening.
Other injuries includ a 20-year-old woman who was shot in the arm, a 24-year-old woman who was shot in the face and a 30-year-old man who was shot in the leg, police said, according to WFMY. All three were taken to a hospital by friends, and their injuries also are not considered life-threatening.
Winston-Salem police did not immediately return McClatchy News’ request for comment.
The investigation is ongoing, and anyone with information is asked to call the Winston-Salem police at 336-773-7700.
Winston-Salem is about 80 miles north of Charlotte.
Why are these repukiecons so violent?
No surprise.
Speaking of violence, once again there is a violent gun attack in a republiCON state:
https://news.yahoo.com/multiple-shooter ... 27604.html
A woman is dead and four others are injured after multiple people opened fire at a party in North Carolina, police say.
Winston-Salem police responded just before 8 p.m. on Saturday, April 22, to a pavilion at Happy Hill Park and found several gunshot victims and a large crowd fleeing the party, according to the Winston-Salem Journal. There were more than 200 people in attendance when the shooting began.
Beatrice Maxine Knights, 21, was pronounced dead at the scene, police told WGHP.
A 34-year-old woman who was shot in the arm, leg and abdomen was taken to the hospital by EMS, the outlet reported. Her injuries are not considered life-threatening.
Other injuries includ a 20-year-old woman who was shot in the arm, a 24-year-old woman who was shot in the face and a 30-year-old man who was shot in the leg, police said, according to WFMY. All three were taken to a hospital by friends, and their injuries also are not considered life-threatening.
Winston-Salem police did not immediately return McClatchy News’ request for comment.
The investigation is ongoing, and anyone with information is asked to call the Winston-Salem police at 336-773-7700.
Winston-Salem is about 80 miles north of Charlotte.
Why are these repukiecons so violent?
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: Crime and Punishment
Kim Potter, the smiling murderer who killed Daunte Wright in cold blood, released from prison:
https://i0.wp.com/www.twincities.com/wp ... 99px&ssl=1
All she got was tears from the judge who sentenced her, a 16 month stay at a country club prison, a lot of good laughs, and a $1,000 fine for killing an innocent black man in cold blood.
https://i0.wp.com/www.twincities.com/wp ... 99px&ssl=1
All she got was tears from the judge who sentenced her, a 16 month stay at a country club prison, a lot of good laughs, and a $1,000 fine for killing an innocent black man in cold blood.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: Crime and Lack of Punishment
^ while the murderous cop smiles and celebrates, the murder victim's mother cries:
The murderer petitioned for an executive pardon on the grounds that she has undergone a religious conversion, repents of her crime, and prays for her victim everyday. Meanwhile, the grieving mother says she is enduring a life sentence for something she never did.
Where are all my right wing pro capital punishment advocates who demand (or who used to demand) a life for a life? Why the endless silence???
The murderer petitioned for an executive pardon on the grounds that she has undergone a religious conversion, repents of her crime, and prays for her victim everyday. Meanwhile, the grieving mother says she is enduring a life sentence for something she never did.
Where are all my right wing pro capital punishment advocates who demand (or who used to demand) a life for a life? Why the endless silence???
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: Cop Crimes and No Punishment
It happened again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzX_gDwiXeQ
Can somebody tell me what ever happened to all the forum right wingers who love cops and feel that they can do no wrong? Where are their calls to have these police criminals thrown into jail with extra long sentences under hard labor and having their unions rather than taxpayers pay for all the damages?
Why the endless silence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzX_gDwiXeQ
Can somebody tell me what ever happened to all the forum right wingers who love cops and feel that they can do no wrong? Where are their calls to have these police criminals thrown into jail with extra long sentences under hard labor and having their unions rather than taxpayers pay for all the damages?
Why the endless silence?
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
-
youthathletics
- Posts: 15819
- Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:36 pm
Re: Crime and Punishment
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
-
Typical Lax Dad
- Posts: 34082
- Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:10 pm
Re: Crime and Punishment
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/05/walgree ... cerns.htmlyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 9:46 am New York encouraging crime: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/adams-unvei ... hoplifting
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/621108/
https://goodjobsfirst.org/retailers-cry ... -epidemic/
Not from CNN…
“I wish you would!”
-
youthathletics
- Posts: 15819
- Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:36 pm
Re: Crime and Punishment
You love taking the wrong exit.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
-
Typical Lax Dad
- Posts: 34082
- Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:10 pm
Re: Crime and Punishment
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: Crime and Punishment
more RepubliCON legal ''justice'':
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: Crime and Punishment
Golden Valley, Minnesota - large percentage of local cops resign and the crime rate DROPS:
What happens when a big chunk of your police force quits? Would you believe crime drops?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7 ... rime-drops
Radley Balko has an interesting Opinion piece in The NY Times today. (Full article via the link):
Half the Police Force Quit. Crime Dropped.
...Golden Valley is a suburb of about 22,000 that in many ways is as idyllic as its name suggests. The median annual household income tops $100,000, there’s very little crime, and 15 percent of the town is devoted to parks and green spaces, including Theodore Wirth Park on its eastern border, a lush space that hosts a bike path and a parkway.
...“We enjoy prosperity and security in this community,” said Shep Harris, the mayor since 2012. “But that has come at a cost. I think it took incidents like the murder of George Floyd to help us see that more clearly.” The residents of the strongly left-leaning town decided change was necessary. One step was eliminating those racial covenants. Another was changing the Police Department, which had a reputation for mistreating people of color.
The first hire was Officer Alice White, the force’s first high-ranking Black woman. The second was Virgil Green, the town’s first Black police chief.
...Members of the overwhelmingly white police force responded to both hires by quitting — in droves.
An outside investigation later revealed that some officers had run an opposition campaign against Chief Green. One of those officers recorded herself making a series of racist comments during a call with city officials, then sent the recording to other police officers. She was fired — prompting yet another wave of resignations.
The typical Golden Valley police officer makes a six-figure salary with good benefits. The city has almost no violent crime. It’s a good gig. Yet in just two years, more than half the department quit.
This was before the new hires had even had a chance to make any big changes. Could it be that those who left simply refused to work for black superiors? (And how ironic is it that they were named Green and White, and the town is Golden Valley? So much for the law being colorblind.)
So, what happened, given the sudden shortage of police officers?
The interesting thing is that according to Chief Green, despite the reduction in staff, crime — already low — has gone down in Golden Valley. The town plans to staff the department back up, just not right away. “I’ve heard that the police union is cautioning officers from coming to work here,” Mr. Harris said. “But that’s OK. We want to take the time to hire officers who share our vision and are excited to work toward our goals.”
As the essay points out, Golden Valley was already relatively low in crime, and may not be the best case for generalizing that fewer police can reduce crime. As the essay notes, Golden Valley’s demographics may be a factor. Median income tops $100.000, the town is 85% white, 5% black. A bordering community — Willard-Hay has a median income of $55,000, is 26% white vs. 40% black, and has quite a bit more crime.
But…
There is reason to think it may. When New York’s officers engaged in an announced slowdown in policing in late 2014 and early 2015, civilian complaints of major crime in the city dropped. And despite significant staffing shortages at law enforcement agencies around the country, if trends continue, 2023 will have the largest percentage drop in homicides in U.S. history. It’s true that such a drop would come after a two-year surge, but the fact that it would also occur after a significant reduction in law enforcement personnel suggests the surge may have been due more to the pandemic and its effects than depolicing.
We already know the Republican view of the matter. America is having rampant crime wherever Democrats are in charge, and the answer is more police, more prison time — and no Democrats.
Radley Balko is the author of “Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces” and the criminal justice newsletter The Watch. This would suggest he has a lot of information available. Balko doesn’t offer any explanations for the drop in crime aside from the pandemic — this is more about suggesting that maybe it’s not just about having fewer police in this town, it’s about an overall drop in crime across the country.
Still, it’s tempting to speculate. Could the drop in crime in Golden Valley be explained by:
Does fewer police officers actively looking for people to charge with crimes lead to a drop in ‘manufactured crimes’ — actions recorded as crimes because a police officer chose to make it so?
Is policing less aggressive now, and has that led to a calmer situation in the community?
What kind of crimes have seen the biggest drop — or is it all across the board?
What would happen if Willard-Hay had fewer police on the job?
Are people simply not calling police because they believe it will now take too long to have an officer arrive?
Is it possible the police who have remained are the most effective ones, and their jobs have been made easier in the absence of their former colleagues?
Are we going to continue to see this happening across the country?
There are probably more questions that could be asked. Just the question that is this an outlier or something that could be replicated elsewhere deserves a look. And it's not the whole story.
As the essay points out at the beginning:
In a staggering report last month, the Department of Justice documented pervasive abuse, illegal use of force, racial bias and systemic dysfunction in the Minneapolis Police Department. City police officers engaged in brutality or made racist comments, even as a department investigator rode along in a patrol car. Complaints about police abuse were often slow-walked or dismissed without investigation. And after George Floyd’s death, instead of ending the policy of racial profiling, the police just buried the evidence.
The Minneapolis report was shocking, but it wasn’t surprising. It doesn’t read much differently from recent Justice Department reports about the police departments in Chicago, Baltimore, Cleveland, Albuquerque, New Orleans, Ferguson, Mo., or any of three recent reports from various sources about Minneapolis, from 2003, 2015 and 2016.
If you look at crimes committed by police, then having fewer police on the job would be expected to lead to a drop in those crimes at least…
For those of you delusional right wingers who resort to criticism because you read something you don't like, PLEASE BE VERY SURE TO PRESENT ANY EVIDENCE THAT WOULD ATTEMPT TO SUCCESSFULLY REFUTE WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED HERE.
Do NOT criticize. Present valid evidence to attempt to refute what you see.
What happens when a big chunk of your police force quits? Would you believe crime drops?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7 ... rime-drops
Radley Balko has an interesting Opinion piece in The NY Times today. (Full article via the link):
Half the Police Force Quit. Crime Dropped.
...Golden Valley is a suburb of about 22,000 that in many ways is as idyllic as its name suggests. The median annual household income tops $100,000, there’s very little crime, and 15 percent of the town is devoted to parks and green spaces, including Theodore Wirth Park on its eastern border, a lush space that hosts a bike path and a parkway.
...“We enjoy prosperity and security in this community,” said Shep Harris, the mayor since 2012. “But that has come at a cost. I think it took incidents like the murder of George Floyd to help us see that more clearly.” The residents of the strongly left-leaning town decided change was necessary. One step was eliminating those racial covenants. Another was changing the Police Department, which had a reputation for mistreating people of color.
The first hire was Officer Alice White, the force’s first high-ranking Black woman. The second was Virgil Green, the town’s first Black police chief.
...Members of the overwhelmingly white police force responded to both hires by quitting — in droves.
An outside investigation later revealed that some officers had run an opposition campaign against Chief Green. One of those officers recorded herself making a series of racist comments during a call with city officials, then sent the recording to other police officers. She was fired — prompting yet another wave of resignations.
The typical Golden Valley police officer makes a six-figure salary with good benefits. The city has almost no violent crime. It’s a good gig. Yet in just two years, more than half the department quit.
This was before the new hires had even had a chance to make any big changes. Could it be that those who left simply refused to work for black superiors? (And how ironic is it that they were named Green and White, and the town is Golden Valley? So much for the law being colorblind.)
So, what happened, given the sudden shortage of police officers?
The interesting thing is that according to Chief Green, despite the reduction in staff, crime — already low — has gone down in Golden Valley. The town plans to staff the department back up, just not right away. “I’ve heard that the police union is cautioning officers from coming to work here,” Mr. Harris said. “But that’s OK. We want to take the time to hire officers who share our vision and are excited to work toward our goals.”
As the essay points out, Golden Valley was already relatively low in crime, and may not be the best case for generalizing that fewer police can reduce crime. As the essay notes, Golden Valley’s demographics may be a factor. Median income tops $100.000, the town is 85% white, 5% black. A bordering community — Willard-Hay has a median income of $55,000, is 26% white vs. 40% black, and has quite a bit more crime.
But…
There is reason to think it may. When New York’s officers engaged in an announced slowdown in policing in late 2014 and early 2015, civilian complaints of major crime in the city dropped. And despite significant staffing shortages at law enforcement agencies around the country, if trends continue, 2023 will have the largest percentage drop in homicides in U.S. history. It’s true that such a drop would come after a two-year surge, but the fact that it would also occur after a significant reduction in law enforcement personnel suggests the surge may have been due more to the pandemic and its effects than depolicing.
We already know the Republican view of the matter. America is having rampant crime wherever Democrats are in charge, and the answer is more police, more prison time — and no Democrats.
Radley Balko is the author of “Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces” and the criminal justice newsletter The Watch. This would suggest he has a lot of information available. Balko doesn’t offer any explanations for the drop in crime aside from the pandemic — this is more about suggesting that maybe it’s not just about having fewer police in this town, it’s about an overall drop in crime across the country.
Still, it’s tempting to speculate. Could the drop in crime in Golden Valley be explained by:
Does fewer police officers actively looking for people to charge with crimes lead to a drop in ‘manufactured crimes’ — actions recorded as crimes because a police officer chose to make it so?
Is policing less aggressive now, and has that led to a calmer situation in the community?
What kind of crimes have seen the biggest drop — or is it all across the board?
What would happen if Willard-Hay had fewer police on the job?
Are people simply not calling police because they believe it will now take too long to have an officer arrive?
Is it possible the police who have remained are the most effective ones, and their jobs have been made easier in the absence of their former colleagues?
Are we going to continue to see this happening across the country?
There are probably more questions that could be asked. Just the question that is this an outlier or something that could be replicated elsewhere deserves a look. And it's not the whole story.
As the essay points out at the beginning:
In a staggering report last month, the Department of Justice documented pervasive abuse, illegal use of force, racial bias and systemic dysfunction in the Minneapolis Police Department. City police officers engaged in brutality or made racist comments, even as a department investigator rode along in a patrol car. Complaints about police abuse were often slow-walked or dismissed without investigation. And after George Floyd’s death, instead of ending the policy of racial profiling, the police just buried the evidence.
The Minneapolis report was shocking, but it wasn’t surprising. It doesn’t read much differently from recent Justice Department reports about the police departments in Chicago, Baltimore, Cleveland, Albuquerque, New Orleans, Ferguson, Mo., or any of three recent reports from various sources about Minneapolis, from 2003, 2015 and 2016.
If you look at crimes committed by police, then having fewer police on the job would be expected to lead to a drop in those crimes at least…
For those of you delusional right wingers who resort to criticism because you read something you don't like, PLEASE BE VERY SURE TO PRESENT ANY EVIDENCE THAT WOULD ATTEMPT TO SUCCESSFULLY REFUTE WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED HERE.
Do NOT criticize. Present valid evidence to attempt to refute what you see.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: Crime and Punishment
emotional comment made by step mom of innocent victim of drunk driving:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSkzYoIR4bE
victim:
https://www.startribune.com/obituaries/ ... 000444730/
Very good looking and beloved guy who will be missed by many.
The criminal did not have a license to drive, was three times over the legal drinking limit, and had been stopped for previous violation. But the idiotic politicians in Minnesota refuse to change the sentencing guidelines and this type of crime continues. Because of that we lose another innocent life.
How many more must needlessly die?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSkzYoIR4bE
victim:
https://www.startribune.com/obituaries/ ... 000444730/
Very good looking and beloved guy who will be missed by many.
The criminal did not have a license to drive, was three times over the legal drinking limit, and had been stopped for previous violation. But the idiotic politicians in Minnesota refuse to change the sentencing guidelines and this type of crime continues. Because of that we lose another innocent life.
How many more must needlessly die?
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: Crime and Punishment
Leslie Van Houten, a former follower of notorious cult leader Charles Manson, has been released on parole after serving more than five decades of a life sentence for two brutal murders.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66171806
Leslie Van Houten, a former follower of notorious cult leader Charles Manson, has been released on parole after serving more than five decades of a life sentence for two brutal murders.
Van Houten, 73, was a 19-year old member of the "Manson family" when she took part in the murder of a Los Angeles grocer and his wife in 1969.
Five previous bids for her parole were blocked by California's governors.
That decision was later reversed by a state appeals court.
A former homecoming queen, Van Houten was the youngest Manson follower to be convicted of murder for her role in the death of a California grocer Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary.
During the killings - which took place just days after the murder of actress Sharon Tate and four others - Van Houten held down Rosemary LaBianca while someone else stabbed her. She later also admitted that she stabbed the woman after she was dead.
Van Houten's lawyer, Nancy Tetreault, told the BBC that she left a women's prison in California early on Tuesday morning and was likely to be on parole for three years.
"She had a long job of detaching herself from the cult mentality and accepting responsibility for her crimes" Ms Tetreault said. "It took her a long time. She had decades of therapy. So she felt guilt and deep remorse."
Charles Manson, considered one of America's most notorious cult leaders, directed his followers to commit nine murders and hoped the killings would start a race war, called "Helter Skelter" after a famous song by the Beatles. He died in prison in 2017.
Following her life sentence, Van Houten earned both a bachelors and masters degree while in prison, where she also worked as a tutor for other inmates.
After being denied parole dozens of times during her incarceration, Van Houten was finally recommended for parole in 2016. But the recommendations were rejected by California Governor Gavin Newsom and his predecessor, Jerry Brown.
The last time she was blocked from parole, in 2020, was ultimately overruled by a California appeals court.
On 8 July, however, Mr Newsom said that he would not block her parole this time, paving the way for her release on Tuesday.
In a statement last week, the governor said he remained disappointed at her release, which he said was unlikely to be heard by California's Supreme Court if the legal battle continued.
"More than 50 years after the Manson cult committed these brutal killings, the victims' families still feel the impact," the statement said.
Manson family members and murder suspects Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkle, and Leslie van Houton in 1970
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpspr ... 8.jpg.webp
Leslie Van Houten (right) was the youngest Manson follower to be convicted of murder for her role in the death of Leno LaBianca
Now out of prison, Van Houten is expected to spend about a year at a halfway house, where her lawyer said she would need to learn to navigate a reality much different to when she first was put behind bars.
"She has to learn to use the internet. She has to learn to buy things without cash," Ms Tetreault told the AP. "It's a very different world than when she went in."
In repeated parole hearings, Van Houten expressed regret for her role in the killings and involvement with Manson, later acknowledging that she had let him overpower her "individual thinking".
"I bought into it lock, stock and barrel," she said of his beliefs in a 2002 parole hearing. "I took it at face value".
more at link including comments by families of the victims
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66171806
Leslie Van Houten, a former follower of notorious cult leader Charles Manson, has been released on parole after serving more than five decades of a life sentence for two brutal murders.
Van Houten, 73, was a 19-year old member of the "Manson family" when she took part in the murder of a Los Angeles grocer and his wife in 1969.
Five previous bids for her parole were blocked by California's governors.
That decision was later reversed by a state appeals court.
A former homecoming queen, Van Houten was the youngest Manson follower to be convicted of murder for her role in the death of a California grocer Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary.
During the killings - which took place just days after the murder of actress Sharon Tate and four others - Van Houten held down Rosemary LaBianca while someone else stabbed her. She later also admitted that she stabbed the woman after she was dead.
Van Houten's lawyer, Nancy Tetreault, told the BBC that she left a women's prison in California early on Tuesday morning and was likely to be on parole for three years.
"She had a long job of detaching herself from the cult mentality and accepting responsibility for her crimes" Ms Tetreault said. "It took her a long time. She had decades of therapy. So she felt guilt and deep remorse."
Charles Manson, considered one of America's most notorious cult leaders, directed his followers to commit nine murders and hoped the killings would start a race war, called "Helter Skelter" after a famous song by the Beatles. He died in prison in 2017.
Following her life sentence, Van Houten earned both a bachelors and masters degree while in prison, where she also worked as a tutor for other inmates.
After being denied parole dozens of times during her incarceration, Van Houten was finally recommended for parole in 2016. But the recommendations were rejected by California Governor Gavin Newsom and his predecessor, Jerry Brown.
The last time she was blocked from parole, in 2020, was ultimately overruled by a California appeals court.
On 8 July, however, Mr Newsom said that he would not block her parole this time, paving the way for her release on Tuesday.
In a statement last week, the governor said he remained disappointed at her release, which he said was unlikely to be heard by California's Supreme Court if the legal battle continued.
"More than 50 years after the Manson cult committed these brutal killings, the victims' families still feel the impact," the statement said.
Manson family members and murder suspects Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkle, and Leslie van Houton in 1970
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpspr ... 8.jpg.webp
Leslie Van Houten (right) was the youngest Manson follower to be convicted of murder for her role in the death of Leno LaBianca
Now out of prison, Van Houten is expected to spend about a year at a halfway house, where her lawyer said she would need to learn to navigate a reality much different to when she first was put behind bars.
"She has to learn to use the internet. She has to learn to buy things without cash," Ms Tetreault told the AP. "It's a very different world than when she went in."
In repeated parole hearings, Van Houten expressed regret for her role in the killings and involvement with Manson, later acknowledging that she had let him overpower her "individual thinking".
"I bought into it lock, stock and barrel," she said of his beliefs in a 2002 parole hearing. "I took it at face value".
more at link including comments by families of the victims
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: Crime and Punishment
White cop whose reckless behavior killed innocent black man gets off scot free in Minneapolis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3E6XwXAb9Q
Unlike Chauvin, this cop had no criminal record, no record of complaints, displayed genuine remorse, and it did appear to be an accident. The problem was that his behavior was unquestionably reckless. A recklessness that killed a father of six who was a pillar of the community. As always, no compensation to the victim's family who now be suing the city of Minneapolis for hiring such a moronic cop into its police force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3E6XwXAb9Q
Unlike Chauvin, this cop had no criminal record, no record of complaints, displayed genuine remorse, and it did appear to be an accident. The problem was that his behavior was unquestionably reckless. A recklessness that killed a father of six who was a pillar of the community. As always, no compensation to the victim's family who now be suing the city of Minneapolis for hiring such a moronic cop into its police force.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
-
youthathletics
- Posts: 15819
- Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:36 pm
Re: Crime and Punishment
Dies over some sweet and sour sauce: https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/local-ne ... m=referral
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
-
cradleandshoot
- Posts: 15374
- Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:42 pm
Re: Crime and Punishment
I just saw the video of Daniello ( Spiderman) Cavalconte crab crawling up the wall to escape prison. Was this a " maximum security" facility? He was free and clear for almost 2 hours before anybody knew he was gone. Only the best prison guards for sure. 
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
Bob Ross:
-
youthathletics
- Posts: 15819
- Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:36 pm
Re: Crime and Punishment
2nd prisoner in less than a month. Evidentially, they added razor wire, but this time a tower guard missed seeing him across the roof.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:16 am I just saw the video of Daniello ( Spiderman) Cavalconte crab crawling up the wall to escape prison. Was this a " maximum security" facility? He was free and clear for almost 2 hours before anybody knew he was gone. Only the best prison guards for sure.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
-
cradleandshoot
- Posts: 15374
- Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:42 pm
Re: Crime and Punishment
Perhaps some high voltage electrical current might have helped out? Are there standards for how a maximum facility prison is suppose to be run. The folks that run this prison in PA should all be fired. Every damn one of them no excuse for this level of incompetence.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:39 am2nd prisoner in less than a month. Evidentially, they added razor wire, but this time a tower guard missed seeing him across the roof.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:16 am I just saw the video of Daniello ( Spiderman) Cavalconte crab crawling up the wall to escape prison. Was this a " maximum security" facility? He was free and clear for almost 2 hours before anybody knew he was gone. Only the best prison guards for sure.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
Bob Ross:
Re: Crime and Punishment
We won’t need prisons under President DeSantis. In his regime, everyone who is arrested will be shot. That’s not including those who come across the border who will be shot prior to arrest.
No need for arrangements, trials, and sentencings. Ronnie will do away with that pesky presumption of innocence BS. If you are arrested, you are guilty!
No need for arrangements, trials, and sentencings. Ronnie will do away with that pesky presumption of innocence BS. If you are arrested, you are guilty!