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youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:44 am
This offense is played out, would it kill them to find a 6'1 passing qb that can be taught some triple option...for crying out loud its not rocket science. Marshall did not even really need to push on Navy's O-line, just watch them dance around, then attack.

If you can not control the line of scrimmage, you can not control the game, which means you have to resort to trickery and clock management. Until Navy gets serious about passing, in order to open up the field, this is what we are going to see week in and week out, with the exception of lesser talented teams, but these are becoming fewer and fewer. And IMO, Navy is being left in the dust and if the majority or practice time is triple option...well how then does your defense really and truly prepare for their opponent.

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:30 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:44 am
This offense is played out, would it kill them to find a 6'1 passing qb that can be taught some triple option...for crying out loud its not rocket science. Marshall did not even really need to push on Navy's O-line, just watch them dance around, then attack.

If you can not control the line of scrimmage, you can not control the game, which means you have to resort to trickery and clock management. Until Navy gets serious about passing, in order to open up the field, this is what we are going to see week in and week out, with the exception of lesser talented teams, but these are becoming fewer and fewer. And IMO, Navy is being left in the dust and if the majority or practice time is triple option...well how then does your defense really and truly prepare for their opponent.

On the other hand, Navy football had years of successful football not long ago with this very offense. They have the same recruiting disadvantages now as they did then. Also, they have the same predicament with their defense that they had then. What's changed?

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:56 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:30 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:44 am
This offense is played out, would it kill them to find a 6'1 passing qb that can be taught some triple option...for crying out loud its not rocket science. Marshall did not even really need to push on Navy's O-line, just watch them dance around, then attack.

If you can not control the line of scrimmage, you can not control the game, which means you have to resort to trickery and clock management. Until Navy gets serious about passing, in order to open up the field, this is what we are going to see week in and week out, with the exception of lesser talented teams, but these are becoming fewer and fewer. And IMO, Navy is being left in the dust and if the majority or practice time is triple option...well how then does your defense really and truly prepare for their opponent.

On the other hand, Navy football had years of successful football not long ago with this very offense. They have the same recruiting disadvantages now as they did then. Also, they have the same predicament with their defense that they had then. What's changed?

Conference change, for starters.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:44 am
This offense is played out, would it kill them to find a 6'1 passing qb that can be taught some triple option...for crying out loud its not rocket science. Marshall did not even really need to push on Navy's O-line, just watch them dance around, then attack.

If you can not control the line of scrimmage, you can not control the game, which means you have to resort to trickery and clock management. Until Navy gets serious about passing, in order to open up the field, this is what we are going to see week in and week out, with the exception of lesser talented teams, but these are becoming fewer and fewer. And IMO, Navy is being left in the dust and if the majority or practice time is triple option...well how then does your defense really and truly prepare for their opponent.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:19 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:56 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:30 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:44 am
This offense is played out, would it kill them to find a 6'1 passing qb that can be taught some triple option...for crying out loud its not rocket science. Marshall did not even really need to push on Navy's O-line, just watch them dance around, then attack.

If you can not control the line of scrimmage, you can not control the game, which means you have to resort to trickery and clock management. Until Navy gets serious about passing, in order to open up the field, this is what we are going to see week in and week out, with the exception of lesser talented teams, but these are becoming fewer and fewer. And IMO, Navy is being left in the dust and if the majority or practice time is triple option...well how then does your defense really and truly prepare for their opponent.

On the other hand, Navy football had years of successful football not long ago with this very offense. They have the same recruiting disadvantages now as they did then. Also, they have the same predicament with their defense that they had then. What's changed?

Conference change, for starters.

Army & AF are getting more of the recruits Navy used to get. The AAC is getting stronger, Navy is not.
Hopefully the Big 12 will raid the AAC of 2 or 3 of their better teams leaving holes in the Navy sched for softer opponents.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:45 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:19 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:56 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:30 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:44 am
This offense is played out, would it kill them to find a 6'1 passing qb that can be taught some triple option...for crying out loud its not rocket science. Marshall did not even really need to push on Navy's O-line, just watch them dance around, then attack.

If you can not control the line of scrimmage, you can not control the game, which means you have to resort to trickery and clock management. Until Navy gets serious about passing, in order to open up the field, this is what we are going to see week in and week out, with the exception of lesser talented teams, but these are becoming fewer and fewer. And IMO, Navy is being left in the dust and if the majority or practice time is triple option...well how then does your defense really and truly prepare for their opponent.

On the other hand, Navy football had years of successful football not long ago with this very offense. They have the same recruiting disadvantages now as they did then. Also, they have the same predicament with their defense that they had then. What's changed?

Conference change, for starters.

Army & AF are getting more of the recruits Navy used to get. The AAC is getting stronger, Navy is not.
Hopefully the Big 12 will raid the AAC of 2 or 3 of their better teams leaving holes in the Navy sched for softer opponents.

I’m sure they love only competing against the best of a soft schedule because the big bad tough opponents have left.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:16 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:45 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:19 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:56 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:30 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:44 am
This offense is played out, would it kill them to find a 6'1 passing qb that can be taught some triple option...for crying out loud its not rocket science. Marshall did not even really need to push on Navy's O-line, just watch them dance around, then attack.

If you can not control the line of scrimmage, you can not control the game, which means you have to resort to trickery and clock management. Until Navy gets serious about passing, in order to open up the field, this is what we are going to see week in and week out, with the exception of lesser talented teams, but these are becoming fewer and fewer. And IMO, Navy is being left in the dust and if the majority or practice time is triple option...well how then does your defense really and truly prepare for their opponent.

On the other hand, Navy football had years of successful football not long ago with this very offense. They have the same recruiting disadvantages now as they did then. Also, they have the same predicament with their defense that they had then. What's changed?

Conference change, for starters.

Army & AF are getting more of the recruits Navy used to get. The AAC is getting stronger, Navy is not.
Hopefully the Big 12 will raid the AAC of 2 or 3 of their better teams leaving holes in the Navy sched for softer opponents.

I’m sure they love only competing against the best of a soft schedule because the big bad tough opponents have left.

It would still be a tougher sched than Army or Air Force.
Navy plays Notre Dame, Air Force & Army every year, out of conference.
Navy has little history with, & little in common with UCF, Cincinnatti, & Houston.
Navy has history with Tulane, Tulsa & SMU & matches up in size & academics.
ECU & USF are close to alumni bases.
Navy is a PL school, hanging on to FBS status for tradition, bowl games & tv revenue.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:26 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:16 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:45 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:19 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:56 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:30 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:44 am
This offense is played out, would it kill them to find a 6'1 passing qb that can be taught some triple option...for crying out loud its not rocket science. Marshall did not even really need to push on Navy's O-line, just watch them dance around, then attack.

If you can not control the line of scrimmage, you can not control the game, which means you have to resort to trickery and clock management. Until Navy gets serious about passing, in order to open up the field, this is what we are going to see week in and week out, with the exception of lesser talented teams, but these are becoming fewer and fewer. And IMO, Navy is being left in the dust and if the majority or practice time is triple option...well how then does your defense really and truly prepare for their opponent.

On the other hand, Navy football had years of successful football not long ago with this very offense. They have the same recruiting disadvantages now as they did then. Also, they have the same predicament with their defense that they had then. What's changed?

Conference change, for starters.

Army & AF are getting more of the recruits Navy used to get. The AAC is getting stronger, Navy is not.
Hopefully the Big 12 will raid the AAC of 2 or 3 of their better teams leaving holes in the Navy sched for softer opponents.

I’m sure they love only competing against the best of a soft schedule because the big bad tough opponents have left.

It would still be a tougher sched than Army or Air Force.
Navy plays Notre Dame, Air Force & Army every year, out of conference.
Navy has little history with, & little in common with UCF, Cincinnatti, & Houston.
Navy has history with Tulane, Tulsa & SMU & matches up in size & academics.
ECU & USF are close to alumni bases.
Navy is a PL school, hanging on to FBS status for tradition, bowl games, alumni donations & tv revenue.

Then the answer is to drop to FCS not be an also ran amongst a group they can’t hang with as you’ve argued by wishing the better teams in the conference dropped out. Also presumes Navy should be in that conference and others should go which is strange.

The tv revenue is going to dry up after the top 60-80 schools pull away.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:47 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:26 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:16 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:45 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:19 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:56 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:30 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:44 am
This offense is played out, would it kill them to find a 6'1 passing qb that can be taught some triple option...for crying out loud its not rocket science. Marshall did not even really need to push on Navy's O-line, just watch them dance around, then attack.

If you can not control the line of scrimmage, you can not control the game, which means you have to resort to trickery and clock management. Until Navy gets serious about passing, in order to open up the field, this is what we are going to see week in and week out, with the exception of lesser talented teams, but these are becoming fewer and fewer. And IMO, Navy is being left in the dust and if the majority or practice time is triple option...well how then does your defense really and truly prepare for their opponent.

On the other hand, Navy football had years of successful football not long ago with this very offense. They have the same recruiting disadvantages now as they did then. Also, they have the same predicament with their defense that they had then. What's changed?

Conference change, for starters.

Army & AF are getting more of the recruits Navy used to get. The AAC is getting stronger, Navy is not.
Hopefully the Big 12 will raid the AAC of 2 or 3 of their better teams leaving holes in the Navy sched for softer opponents.

I’m sure they love only competing against the best of a soft schedule because the big bad tough opponents have left.

It would still be a tougher sched than Army or Air Force.
Navy plays Notre Dame, Air Force & Army every year, out of conference.
Navy has little history with, & little in common with UCF, Cincinnatti, & Houston.
Navy has history with Tulane, Tulsa & SMU & matches up in size & academics.
ECU & USF are close to alumni bases.
Navy is a PL school, hanging on to FBS status for tradition, bowl games, alumni donations & tv revenue.

Then the answer is to drop to FCS not be an also ran amongst a group they can’t hang with as you’ve argued by wishing the better teams in the conference dropped out. Also presumes Navy should be in that conference and others should go which is strange.

The tv revenue is going to dry up after the top 60-80 schools pull away.

That's not necessary (yet). If the AAC folds, Navy could join CUSA, MAC or Sunbelt for FB only, or go back to independent like Army, even if we had to play a couple FCS opponents. Navy usually plays 1 PL team a year. UDel, VMI, Richmond, JMU & Towson have been happy to visit Navy with no home game payback required. W coast MWC teams (SDSU & SJSU & Hawaii) also like home & home with Navy. Our W coast alums boost their attendance.

Not presuming anything. Houston, UCF & Cincy are gone to the Big 12.
Army-Navy, ND & Navy home games are Navy's big ticket with CBS.
They didn't gain tv$$ going AAC. They did it to guarantee a full sched & bowl tie-ins.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:54 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:47 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:26 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:16 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:45 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:19 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:56 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:30 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:44 am
This offense is played out, would it kill them to find a 6'1 passing qb that can be taught some triple option...for crying out loud its not rocket science. Marshall did not even really need to push on Navy's O-line, just watch them dance around, then attack.

If you can not control the line of scrimmage, you can not control the game, which means you have to resort to trickery and clock management. Until Navy gets serious about passing, in order to open up the field, this is what we are going to see week in and week out, with the exception of lesser talented teams, but these are becoming fewer and fewer. And IMO, Navy is being left in the dust and if the majority or practice time is triple option...well how then does your defense really and truly prepare for their opponent.

On the other hand, Navy football had years of successful football not long ago with this very offense. They have the same recruiting disadvantages now as they did then. Also, they have the same predicament with their defense that they had then. What's changed?

Conference change, for starters.

Army & AF are getting more of the recruits Navy used to get. The AAC is getting stronger, Navy is not.
Hopefully the Big 12 will raid the AAC of 2 or 3 of their better teams leaving holes in the Navy sched for softer opponents.

I’m sure they love only competing against the best of a soft schedule because the big bad tough opponents have left.

It would still be a tougher sched than Army or Air Force.
Navy plays Notre Dame, Air Force & Army every year, out of conference.
Navy has little history with, & little in common with UCF, Cincinnatti, & Houston.
Navy has history with Tulane, Tulsa & SMU & matches up in size & academics.
ECU & USF are close to alumni bases.
Navy is a PL school, hanging on to FBS status for tradition, bowl games, alumni donations & tv revenue.

Then the answer is to drop to FCS not be an also ran amongst a group they can’t hang with as you’ve argued by wishing the better teams in the conference dropped out. Also presumes Navy should be in that conference and others should go which is strange.

The tv revenue is going to dry up after the top 60-80 schools pull away.

That's not necessary (yet). If the AAC folds, Navy could join CUSA, MAC or Sunbelt for FB only, or go back to independent like Army, even if we had to play a couple FCS opponents. Navy usually plays 1 PL team a year. UDel, VMI, Richmond, JMU & Towson have been happy to visit Navy with no home game payback required. W coast MWC teams (SDSU & SJSU & Hawaii) also like home & home with Navy. Our W coast alums boost their attendance.

Not presuming anything. Houston, UCF & Cincy are gone to the Big 12.
Army-Navy, ND & Navy home games are Navy's big ticket with CBS.
They didn't gain tv$$ going AAC. They did it to guarantee a full sched & bowl tie-ins.

Why not compete for an FCS title against the best rather than milk around the bottom half of D1? I mean that’s what a bunch of idiots around here like to say about Hobart. Mostly, to steal from Blur Angels, jock sniffers who haven’t had or chosen to compete much in life, but I hear it often. Either compete as high as you can go or drop down a level. Barbells always work better than playing to the middle.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:23 pm Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Being close to Ga Tech I agree that the triple option doesn’t work like it used to. Has to be another system that works with size limitations.

I wouldn’t be so sure ND would never stop the academies. That’s a lot of hubris given the same acknowledgement about how much money drives irrational or non-emotional decisions.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:42 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:23 pm Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Being close to Ga Tech I agree that the triple option doesn’t work like it used to. Has to be another system that works with size limitations.

I wouldn’t be so sure ND would never stop the academies. That’s a lot of hubris given the same acknowledgement about how much money drives irrational or non-emotional decisions.

Not the academies. Just Navy.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/10/31/ ... ory-part-1
https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/11/2/5 ... ies-part-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy%E2%8 ... ll_rivalry
On August 6, 2020, Navy and Notre Dame signed an agreement continuing their rivalry series for the next 12 seasons, from 2021 through 2032

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:51 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:42 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:23 pm Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Being close to Ga Tech I agree that the triple option doesn’t work like it used to. Has to be another system that works with size limitations.

I wouldn’t be so sure ND would never stop the academies. That’s a lot of hubris given the same acknowledgement about how much money drives irrational or non-emotional decisions.

Not the academies. Just Navy.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/10/31/ ... ory-part-1
https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/11/2/5 ... ies-part-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy%E2%8 ... ll_rivalry
On August 6, 2020, Navy and Notre Dame signed an agreement continuing their rivalry series for the next 12 seasons, from 2021 through 2032

I feel the same way about Hobart-Cornell & Hobart-Syracuse which have more history than Navy-ND but also dont think that’s permanent and inviolable. Especially when you’re talking the kind of money that major football does. If ND is with group that separates its completely feasible and perhaps likely that game could die.

And contracts don’t mean Jack as we’ve seen over and over and over again.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:01 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:51 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:42 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:23 pm Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Being close to Ga Tech I agree that the triple option doesn’t work like it used to. Has to be another system that works with size limitations.

I wouldn’t be so sure ND would never stop the academies. That’s a lot of hubris given the same acknowledgement about how much money drives irrational or non-emotional decisions.

Not the academies. Just Navy.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/10/31/ ... ory-part-1
https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/11/2/5 ... ies-part-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy%E2%8 ... ll_rivalry
On August 6, 2020, Navy and Notre Dame signed an agreement continuing their rivalry series for the next 12 seasons, from 2021 through 2032

I feel the same way about Hobart-Cornell & Hobart-Syracuse which have more history than Navy-ND but also dont think that’s permanent and inviolable. Especially when you’re talking the kind of money that major football does. If ND is with group that separates its completely feasible and perhaps likely that game could die.

And contracts don’t mean Jack as we’ve seen over and over and over again.

As long as ND stays independent, it's a good deal for them. They don't have conf games guaranteed. Thus their sched deal with the ACC.
It's the lead CBS game when it's Navy's home year. Navy's "home" game is where they can draw a large subway alum crowd. That's better than playing Wake, Duke, NC St, or GaTech.