JUST the Stolen Documents/Mar-A-Lago/"Judge" Cannon Trial

[ardilla secreta]

There are now preliminary reports of a second wave of Iranian missile attacks.

DocBarrister

China’s leaders must be laughing their asses off and lovin’ every moment.

[old salt]

Javad Zarif✔
@JZarif
Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched.

We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression.

9:32 PM - Jan 7, 2020

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.

9:45 PM - Jan 7, 2020

If there were no US casualties, this was a face saving way for Iran to respond, without being seen to back down.
This is an opportunity to de-escalate. Iran can portray it as an impressive demonstration of their capabilities, striking back a the bases from which attacks were launched against them. A robust response, but constrained, so as to not provoke further escalation.

Good news that they didn't target our more vulnerable, larger concentration of forces nearer the Persian Gulf.
Could be a signal that they're not anxious to bring the war closer to the Gulf, where we both have more vulnerable assets located.
Time for the EUros to bring us all back to the negotiating table.
Iran needs to signal that the PMF will cease attacks on US, so that US forces can remain & the Coalition can resume the anti-ISIS campaign.

[holmes435]

#Winning

The lack of coherent leadership and intelligence out of the White House leaves one speechless.

[Typical Lax Dad]

“All is well!”

That is how the idiot, Donald Trump, began his first statement after Iran fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles at U.S. forces.

Does anyone really think our nation should suffer five more years of this?

DocBarrister

He is building a wall and keeping folks from s-hole countries out...that’s good enough for a handful some here.

[old salt]

Javad Zarif✔
@JZarif
Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched.

We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression.

9:32 PM - Jan 7, 2020

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.

9:45 PM - Jan 7, 2020

If there were no US casualties, this was a face saving way for Iran to respond, without being seen to back down.
This is an opportunity to de-escalate. Iran can portray it as an impressive demonstration of their capabilities, striking back a the bases from which attacks were launched against them. A robust response, but constrained, so as to not provoke further escalation.

Good news that they didn't target our more vulnerable, larger concentration of forces nearer the Persian Gulf.
Could be a signal that they're not anxious to bring the war closer to the Gulf, where we both have more vulnerable assets located.
Time for the EUros to bring us all back to the negotiating table.
Iran needs to signal that the PMF will cease attacks on US, so that US forces can remain & the Coalition can resume the anti-ISIS campaign.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... -and-dubai
The Iranian threat that the next attack will hit Israel & the UAE is interesting.
Reports of back channel messages of restraint to Iran from Qatar & SA.

[DocBarrister]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4772 ... -us-troops

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.

9:45 PM - Jan 7, 2020

If there were no US casualties, this was a face saving way for Iran to respond, without being seen to back down.
This is an opportunity to de-escalate. Iran can portray it as an impressive demonstration of their capabilities, striking back a the bases from which attacks were launched against them. A robust response, but constrained not to provoke further escalation.

Good news that they didn't target our more vulnerable, larger concentration of forces nearer the Persian Gulf.
Could be a signal that they're not anxious to bring the war closer to the Gulf, where we both have more vulnerable assets located.
Time for the EUros to bring us all back to the negotiating table.
Iran needs to signal the PMF will cease attacks on US, so the Coalition can resume the anti-ISIS campaign.

You are completely delusional if you think Iran will negotiate a new agreement with Trump. Why should they, when Trump has withdrawn from one major agreement after another? Trump is completely untrustworthy and unstable, and even the autocratic theocracy in Iran knows this. It’s stunning that his moronic supporters in the U.S. do not.

Trump’s idiocy has left the U.S. looking weak and reckless. If Trump does not retaliate, good, but that leaves Iran firing ballistic missiles at U.S. forces and getting away with it. Who comes out looking stronger? If things end here, Iran has won this round.

Trump has also ruined the U.S. relationship with Iraq. His actions led to a mini-war on Iraqi soil. The Iraqi parliament has voted to kick the U.S. out. Trump has come out of this looking impulsive, unstable, and reckless. Iran, remarkably, comes out looking like the strong, rational nation here.

How on Earth could Trump screw things up so quickly?

Your continued support of Trump is disgraceful. Is Trump’s racism, white supremacy, bigotry, and misogyny really worth the danger he poses to our nation?

I have reviewed your posts for a long time here. You have an odd but clearly discernible tendency of focusing on the tactical details while being completely blind to the long-term strategic implications of Trump’s dangerous acts. You seem to have no long-term strategic comprehension whatsoever. Call it political/security/military myopia ... but it’s disturbing. Very much reflects the myopic blindness and troublesome recalcitrance of Trump’s core supporters.

DocBarrister

[old salt]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4772 ... -us-troops

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.

9:45 PM - Jan 7, 2020

If there were no US casualties, this was a face saving way for Iran to respond, without being seen to back down.
This is an opportunity to de-escalate. Iran can portray it as an impressive demonstration of their capabilities, striking back a the bases from which attacks were launched against them. A robust response, but constrained not to provoke further escalation.

Good news that they didn't target our more vulnerable, larger concentration of forces nearer the Persian Gulf.
Could be a signal that they're not anxious to bring the war closer to the Gulf, where we both have more vulnerable assets located.
Time for the EUros to bring us all back to the negotiating table.
Iran needs to signal the PMF will cease attacks on US, so the Coalition can resume the anti-ISIS campaign.

You are completely delusional if you think Iran will negotiate a new agreement with Trump. Why should they, when Trump has withdrawn from one major agreement after another? Trump is completely untrustworthy and unstable, and even the autocratic theocracy in Iran knows this. It’s stunning that his moronic supporters in the U.S. do not.

Trump’s idiocy has left the U.S. looking weak and reckless. If Trump does not retaliate, good, but that leaves Iran firing ballistic missiles at U.S. forces and getting away with it. Who comes out looking stronger? If things end here, Iran has won this round.

Trump has also ruined the U.S. relationship with Iraq. His actions led to a mini-war on Iraqi soil. The Iraqi parliament has voted to kick the U.S. out. Trump has come of this looking impulsive, unstable, and reckless. Iran, remarkably, comes out looking like the strong, rational nation here.

How on Earth could Trump screw things up so quickly?

Your continued support of Trump is disgraceful. Is Trump’s racism, white supremacy, bigotry, and misogyny really worth the danger he poses to our nation?

I have reviewed your posts for a long time here. You have an odd but clearly discernible tendency of focusing on the tactical details while being completely blind to the long-term strategic implications of Trump’s dangerous acts. You seem to have no long-term strategic comprehension whatsoever. Call it political/security/military myopia ... but it’s disturbing. Very much reflects the myopic blindness and troublesome recalcitrance of Trump’s core supporters.

DocBarrister

.. ....another tactics vs strategy hysteric.

Get a grip Doc. Sleep tight. No more war, tonight.

[DocBarrister]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4772 ... -us-troops

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.

9:45 PM - Jan 7, 2020

If there were no US casualties, this was a face saving way for Iran to respond, without being seen to back down.
This is an opportunity to de-escalate. Iran can portray it as an impressive demonstration of their capabilities, striking back a the bases from which attacks were launched against them. A robust response, but constrained not to provoke further escalation.

Good news that they didn't target our more vulnerable, larger concentration of forces nearer the Persian Gulf.
Could be a signal that they're not anxious to bring the war closer to the Gulf, where we both have more vulnerable assets located.
Time for the EUros to bring us all back to the negotiating table.
Iran needs to signal the PMF will cease attacks on US, so the Coalition can resume the anti-ISIS campaign.

You are completely delusional if you think Iran will negotiate a new agreement with Trump. Why should they, when Trump has withdrawn from one major agreement after another? Trump is completely untrustworthy and unstable, and even the autocratic theocracy in Iran knows this. It’s stunning that his moronic supporters in the U.S. do not.

Trump’s idiocy has left the U.S. looking weak and reckless. If Trump does not retaliate, good, but that leaves Iran firing ballistic missiles at U.S. forces and getting away with it. Who comes out looking stronger? If things end here, Iran has won this round.

Trump has also ruined the U.S. relationship with Iraq. His actions led to a mini-war on Iraqi soil. The Iraqi parliament has voted to kick the U.S. out. Trump has come of this looking impulsive, unstable, and reckless. Iran, remarkably, comes out looking like the strong, rational nation here.

How on Earth could Trump screw things up so quickly?

Your continued support of Trump is disgraceful. Is Trump’s racism, white supremacy, bigotry, and misogyny really worth the danger he poses to our nation?

I have reviewed your posts for a long time here. You have an odd but clearly discernible tendency of focusing on the tactical details while being completely blind to the long-term strategic implications of Trump’s dangerous acts. You seem to have no long-term strategic comprehension whatsoever. Call it political/security/military myopia ... but it’s disturbing. Very much reflects the myopic blindness and troublesome recalcitrance of Trump’s core supporters.

DocBarrister

.. ....another tactics vs strategy hysteric.

Get a grip Doc. Sleep tight. No more war, tonight.

I don’t think Iran firing ballistic missiles at our troops is funny. You think the families of our troops will “sleep tight” tonight? What is wrong with you?

DocBarrister

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4772 ... -us-troops

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.

9:45 PM - Jan 7, 2020

If there were no US casualties, this was a face saving way for Iran to respond, without being seen to back down.
This is an opportunity to de-escalate. Iran can portray it as an impressive demonstration of their capabilities, striking back a the bases from which attacks were launched against them. A robust response, but constrained not to provoke further escalation.

Good news that they didn't target our more vulnerable, larger concentration of forces nearer the Persian Gulf.
Could be a signal that they're not anxious to bring the war closer to the Gulf, where we both have more vulnerable assets located.
Time for the EUros to bring us all back to the negotiating table.
Iran needs to signal the PMF will cease attacks on US, so the Coalition can resume the anti-ISIS campaign.

You are completely delusional if you think Iran will negotiate a new agreement with Trump. Why should they, when Trump has withdrawn from one major agreement after another? Trump is completely untrustworthy and unstable, and even the autocratic theocracy in Iran knows this. It’s stunning that his moronic supporters in the U.S. do not.

Trump’s idiocy has left the U.S. looking weak and reckless. If Trump does not retaliate, good, but that leaves Iran firing ballistic missiles at U.S. forces and getting away with it. Who comes out looking stronger? If things end here, Iran has won this round.

Trump has also ruined the U.S. relationship with Iraq. His actions led to a mini-war on Iraqi soil. The Iraqi parliament has voted to kick the U.S. out. Trump has come out of this looking impulsive, unstable, and reckless. Iran, remarkably, comes out looking like the strong, rational nation here.

How on Earth could Trump screw things up so quickly?

Your continued support of Trump is disgraceful. Is Trump’s racism, white supremacy, bigotry, and misogyny really worth the danger he poses to our nation?

I have reviewed your posts for a long time here. You have an odd but clearly discernible tendency of focusing on the tactical details while being completely blind to the long-term strategic implications of Trump’s dangerous acts. You seem to have no long-term strategic comprehension whatsoever. Call it political/security/military myopia ... but it’s disturbing. Very much reflects the myopic blindness and troublesome recalcitrance of Trump’s core supporters.

DocBarrister

Yes

[Brooklyn]

Iraqis and their government have said a resounding "NO" to the continued occupation of the land by the imperialist USA. By any chance, is anyone here harboring the notion that mebbe some Iranians may want to see Yanks within their borders?

[a fan]

.. ....another tactics vs strategy hysteric.

Get a grip Doc. Sleep tight. No more war, tonight.

So you respond to that accusation that you're unable to think strategically----long term----with a "relax, everything will be fine for the next 8 hours".

Neat. Wanna take a big leap, and move that to 10 hours, and let Doc sleep in a little?

[jhu72]

Looks to me like the Iranians missed intentionally. They have behaved responsibly. Trump will probably f**k it up with his mouth tomorrow.

[CU77]

I think Trump will reign it in tomorrow. The threat against Haifa and Dubai was a brilliant move. Trump thinks in pictures, and imagining Dubai in flames should give him serious pause. I bet that response by Iran was not one he thought of prior to ordering the assassination.

[old salt]

.. ....another tactics vs strategy hysteric.

Get a grip Doc. Sleep tight. No more war, tonight.

So you respond to that accusation that you're unable to think strategically----long term----with a "relax, everything will be fine for the next 8 hours".

Neat. Wanna take a big leap, and move that to 10 hours, and let Doc sleep in a little?

I've been thinking strategically for a long time. Long enough to have told you it was a mistake we'd regret to pull out of Iraq & that the JCPOA would not survive beyond Obama's tenure. Long enough to tell you we became hopelessly entangled in the ME when we went ashore in '91.
Nobody realized it then, except you, me & Jim Webb.

The whole "strategy vs tactics" canard is an excuse for being too intellectually lazy to learn the granular tactical considerations which undergird a strategy. You can't discern a strategy ? Examine the tactics & the details surrounding the tactics, study a map, then the strategy becomes apparent.
...but it's more profound to tug your chin, scold "tactics not strategy" when you disagree, & cite Sun Tzu.

[seacoaster]

Agreed; it appears that the Iranians are trying to satisfy their own popular urge and need to retaliate, and show at the same time a bit of restraint. We'll see if there is an adult in the room to help the Chest-Thumper-in-Chief, Faux Tough Guy keep things from escalating.

And meanwhile, the Trump Campaign has run something like 800 ads featuring the killing of Soleimani. Deflect much? The perils of constant campaigning to the lowest common denominator on display every day.

[Trinity]

What’s the strategy of surprising our NATO allies, countries with troops on those bases?

[jhu72]

I think Trump will reign it in tomorrow. The threat against Haifa and Dubai was a brilliant move. Trump thinks in pictures, and imagining Dubai in flames should give him serious pause. I bet that response by Iran was not one he thought of prior to ordering the assassination.

We'll see. His tweet last night was not helpful in the least. Even if the military can explain to him the bullet that he has dodged will he understand that? I have increased respect for the Iranians. Someone there has put their "head" on the line while our chicken beans republican politicians continue to fiddle.

[Kismet]

https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/ger ... q-1.613791

" STUTTGART, Germany — Some NATO allies are pulling their militaries out of Iraq because of security concerns, a move that comes after the alliance suspended a mission to train Iraqi forces.

Germany will send 30 of its 120 soldiers in Iraq to Jordan and Kuwait while others will remain positioned in the less volatile Kurdistan region.

Germany’s defense and foreign ministries announced the moves in a letter to parliament Monday.

“When the training is able to resume, the military personnel can be reinstated,” the two ministries said in a joint letter, Deutsche Welle reported.

Other countries have taken similar steps.

Some of Canada’s 500 troops in Iraq will be temporarily moved to Kuwait, said Gen. Jonathan Vance, chief of the defense staff, in a letter to military families."

Croatia and Slovakia also moved their small contingents out of Iraq into Kuwait or back home. Only Slovakia left small force units in Iraq. Nothing so far regarding UK and France.

[jhu72]

Interesting story.

[CU88]

Javad Zarif✔
@JZarif
Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched.

We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression.

9:32 PM - Jan 7, 2020

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.

9:45 PM - Jan 7, 2020

Time for the EUros to bring us all back to the negotiating table.

Iran needs to signal that the PMF will cease attacks on US, so that US forces can remain & the Coalition can resume the anti-ISIS campaign.

MAGA = we need the EU and Iran to be the Adults in the room.

Playground bullies always start fights and then run to adults pointing the finger...