Conservatives and Liberals

[tech37]

Don't forget, college campuses have been bastions of liberalism and activism for over a half-century before the hyper-partisanship of the past decade.

Give me an F'ing break. In the past, there were genuine issues that those "bastions of liberalism and activism" were confronting, such as immoral war(s). Now? Safe spaces, identity political nonsense, and anemic socialist principles. Face it, we're a pampered, spoiled nation that is ripe for the picking via patient and relentless adversaries/enemies like Communist China.

[old salt]

In 2019, anti fascism is a bad thing.

Those claiming to be anti fascists- Antifa and Democrats are actually the fascists .

Anyone opposed to fascism and nationalism are the problem.

.. ...so now Nationalism = White Supremacy AND fascism.

The rape of our language by the precious Woke speech police trolls continues

[Typical Lax Dad]

In 2019, anti fascism is a bad thing.

Those claiming to be anti fascists- Antifa and Democrats are actually the fascists .

Anyone opposed to fascism and nationalism are the problem.

.. ...so now Nationalism = White Supremacy AND fascism.

The rape of our language by the precious Woke speech police trolls continues

Happy new year to you and your family. Be safe and be well.

[MDlaxfan76]

Don't forget, college campuses have been bastions of liberalism and activism for over a half-century before the hyper-partisanship of the past decade.

Give me an F'ing break. In the past, there were genuine issues that those "bastions of liberalism and activism" were confronting, such as immoral war(s). Now? Safe spaces, identity political nonsense, and anemic socialist principles. Face it, we're a pampered, spoiled nation that is ripe for the picking via patient and relentless adversaries/enemies like Communist China.

The joke is that you may actually think the Chinese are Communists.

[MDlaxfan76]

In 2019, anti fascism is a bad thing.

Those claiming to be anti fascists- Antifa and Democrats are actually the fascists .

Anyone opposed to fascism and nationalism are the problem.

.. ...so now Nationalism = White Supremacy AND fascism.

The rape of our language by the precious Woke speech police trolls continues

Happy new year to you and your family. Be safe and be well.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/politics ... index.html

[Typical Lax Dad]

In 2019, anti fascism is a bad thing.

Those claiming to be anti fascists- Antifa and Democrats are actually the fascists .

Anyone opposed to fascism and nationalism are the problem.

.. ...so now Nationalism = White Supremacy AND fascism.

The rape of our language by the precious Woke speech police trolls continues

Happy new year to you and your family. Be safe and be well.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/politics ... index.html

We are entering 2020. Roberts is just another liberal snowflake like Souter.



In 2020, the senate works for the President and the POTUS can do whatever he wants because he is duly elected. If you don't like it you can go back to where you came from or vote him out of office.

[holmes435]

Don't forget, college campuses have been bastions of liberalism and activism for over a half-century before the hyper-partisanship of the past decade.

Give me an F'ing break. In the past, there were genuine issues that those "bastions of liberalism and activism" were confronting, such as immoral war(s). Now? Safe spaces, identity political nonsense, and anemic socialist principles. Face it, we're a pampered, spoiled nation that is ripe for the picking via patient and relentless adversaries/enemies like Communist China.

I guess kids these days are pampered for fighting fascism, sexism, and racism on campuses today too.

The funny thing is that people said the exact same things you are about the issues students were confronting in the past. Kids in the '60's and '70's were insanely pampered compared to their parents and grandparents, so their fights are invalid. Give me a break man

[Typical Lax Dad]

Don't forget, college campuses have been bastions of liberalism and activism for over a half-century before the hyper-partisanship of the past decade.

Give me an F'ing break. In the past, there were genuine issues that those "bastions of liberalism and activism" were confronting, such as immoral war(s). Now? Safe spaces, identity political nonsense, and anemic socialist principles. Face it, we're a pampered, spoiled nation that is ripe for the picking via patient and relentless adversaries/enemies like Communist China.

I guess kids these days are pampered for fighting fascism, sexism, and racism on campuses today too.

The funny thing is that people said the exact same things you are about the issues students were confronting in the past. Kids in the '60's and '70's were insanely pampered compared to their parents and grandparents, so their fights are invalid. Give me a break man

Yep



The Government killed its own people....

[tech37]

Don't forget, college campuses have been bastions of liberalism and activism for over a half-century before the hyper-partisanship of the past decade.

Give me an F'ing break. In the past, there were genuine issues that those "bastions of liberalism and activism" were confronting, such as immoral war(s). Now? Safe spaces, identity political nonsense, and anemic socialist principles. Face it, we're a pampered, spoiled nation that is ripe for the picking via patient and relentless adversaries/enemies like Communist China.

I guess kids these days are pampered for fighting fascism, sexism, and racism on campuses today too.

F'ing nonsense. Tear it all down in the name of what? Nihilism? F that.

It's 2020... fascism?...sexism?...racism?... UFB! How much is hyperbolic nonsense conceived by youthful indiscretion and you holmes?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Don't forget, college campuses have been bastions of liberalism and activism for over a half-century before the hyper-partisanship of the past decade.

Give me an F'ing break. In the past, there were genuine issues that those "bastions of liberalism and activism" were confronting, such as immoral war(s). Now? Safe spaces, identity political nonsense, and anemic socialist principles. Face it, we're a pampered, spoiled nation that is ripe for the picking via patient and relentless adversaries/enemies like Communist China.

I guess kids these days are pampered for fighting fascism, sexism, and racism on campuses today too.

F'ing nonsense. Tear it all down in the name of what? Nihilism? F that.

It’s 2020.

[a fan]

Didn't think I was complaining and certainly didn't say what my political "view" was.

And I didn't say that it was a political view. I called it the "minority" view.

The point was that ignorance or willful disregard for opposing views is not relegated to the rural conservative communities docb originally brought up. Sorry, I just don't see Academe as the open land of discourse so many espouse it to be.

I have no clue where you're teaching, but at every University I've been working with as a businessman for 20+ years---in multiple States--- has fallen all over themselves to help, listen to, and enable rural America to thrive. Farming in particular.

Has it occurred to you that you're basing your opinion on, in your words, 25 years of work at one single school? Maybe, just maybe, other schools across the nation are entirely different?

Thanks for the sanctimonious slap on the back however.

Says the guy who is certain that every University in America looks down on "opposing views", and "rural America". They hate farmers! Hide the children! Come on man. Can't say stuff like that, and not expect a rebuttal....

[a fan]

Don't forget, college campuses have been bastions of liberalism and activism for over a half-century before the hyper-partisanship of the past decade.

Give me an F'ing break. In the past, there were genuine issues that those "bastions of liberalism and activism" were confronting, such as immoral war(s). Now? Safe spaces, identity political nonsense, and anemic socialist principles. Face it, we're a pampered, spoiled nation that is ripe for the picking via patient and relentless adversaries/enemies like Communist China.

Uh oh. FoxNews told you that students are pampered, and not as cool as boomers.

Must be true, then. Totally. While you're at it: music just ain't like it used to be. Am-i-right?


https://www.businessinsider.com/retired ... 19-12/amp/

[Typical Lax Dad]

Don't forget, college campuses have been bastions of liberalism and activism for over a half-century before the hyper-partisanship of the past decade.

Give me an F'ing break. In the past, there were genuine issues that those "bastions of liberalism and activism" were confronting, such as immoral war(s). Now? Safe spaces, identity political nonsense, and anemic socialist principles. Face it, we're a pampered, spoiled nation that is ripe for the picking via patient and relentless adversaries/enemies like Communist China.

Uh oh. FoxNews told you that students are pampered, and not as cool as boomers.

Must be true, then. Totally. While you're at it: music just ain't like it used to be. Am-i-right?


https://www.businessinsider.com/retired ... 19-12/amp/

We are into our third class of college graduates in our training program. Exceptional in every way. Poised, mature, smart with a work ethic.

[get it to x]

Don't forget, college campuses have been bastions of liberalism and activism for over a half-century before the hyper-partisanship of the past decade.

Give me an F'ing break. In the past, there were genuine issues that those "bastions of liberalism and activism" were confronting, such as immoral war(s). Now? Safe spaces, identity political nonsense, and anemic socialist principles. Face it, we're a pampered, spoiled nation that is ripe for the picking via patient and relentless adversaries/enemies like Communist China.

Uh oh. FoxNews told you that students are pampered, and not as cool as boomers.

Must be true, then. Totally. While you're at it: music just ain't like it used to be. Am-i-right?


https://www.businessinsider.com/retired ... 19-12/amp/

We are into our third class of college graduates in our training program. Exceptional in every way. Poised, mature, smart with a work ethic.

Happy New Year to all. Having three very different kids I find myself trying to understand the emotional energy that goes into our woke child's expression of her worldview. In the end, I think it comes from a good place. She is interested in fairness, which I believe we should all strive for. Many in the education establishment have done their best to point out that America is a fundamentally flawed and unfair country. The problem is that in order to make it fair for one person or group you have to many times make it unfair for another person or group. Real fairness is equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. If we would ever stop looking at life as a novella, where there is almost always a villain, a victim and a hero, we would all be better off, especially when the novella tries to sell the government as either villain or the hero.

People are not risking life and limb to get here because there isn't opportunity. Or fundamental fairness, such as right of contract and our other God-given rights. They're coming here because "there" sucks compared to here.

[get it to x]

Also a good read for all those who feel an advanced degree bestows on them special knowledge and insight unknown to the common folk. The professor is also a walnut farmer in California, so he has a fairly broad worldview. In fact, I think we should regard him as a liberal in the classical sense, where the individual is at the top of the pyramid and government at the bottom, simply there to guarantee our rights and freedoms.

https://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/t ... roupthink/

FTA: "The point of these sharp contrasts is not that an Ivy League degree or a Washington reputation is of little value, or that prestigious prizes and honors account for nothing, or even that supposed experts are always unethical and silly.

Instead, one lesson is that conventional wisdom and groupthink tend to mislead, especially in the age of online echo chambers and often sheltered and blinkered elite lives.

We forget that knowledge can be found at all ages, and in all places. And ethics has nothing to do with degrees or pedigrees."

[tech37]

Don't forget, college campuses have been bastions of liberalism and activism for over a half-century before the hyper-partisanship of the past decade.

Give me an F'ing break. In the past, there were genuine issues that those "bastions of liberalism and activism" were confronting, such as immoral war(s). Now? Safe spaces, identity political nonsense, and anemic socialist principles. Face it, we're a pampered, spoiled nation that is ripe for the picking via patient and relentless adversaries/enemies like Communist China.

Uh oh. FoxNews told you that students are pampered, and not as cool as boomers. Uh oh...I was hoping a fan would have added "don't label people or don't constantly refer to FoxNews when disagreeing with others" to his list of NYResolutions, along with... "no more straw man arguments"... "be intellectually honest when debating"... and of course "try showing some patience and avoid the desire for instant gratification"

Must be true, then. Totally. While you're at it: music just ain't like it used to be. Actually, I brought the new year in listening to Radiohead...do you approve a fan? Am-i-right? As I've said before a fan, you're always right...and woke for sure...and the coolest GenXer evah.

https://www.businessinsider.com/retired ... 19-12/amp/ Yep, I saw this...interesting story. My first thought though was that these kids at Yale, in this specific program, are hardly the rule but most definitely the exception, to try stating a general case regarding college student thinking.

I especially liked the reference to "hyper-opinionated zealots." I think many of us on this board, no matter your POV, are guilty of this description...right a fan?

All that said... Happy New Year a fan.

[Kismet]

https://www.businessinsider.com/retired ... 19-12/amp/ Yep, I saw this...interesting story. My first thought though was that these kids at Yale, in this specific program, are hardly the rule but most definitely the exception, to try stating a general case regarding college student thinking.

IMHO, your first thought and apparent judgment about Yale students overall not being like this students' perception is based upon WHAT exactly?
He, at least, lives in New Haven and attends the school. Have you done either? Like almost every group of people I'm sure there are many jerks and a-holes at Yale but just as likely many, if not more, fine and intelligent people making their ways in the world just like many other places/organizations.

This IMHO is what's wrong with communicating via the internet and not in person face to face with people. There is no personal interaction. A lot gets left out and never said and many statements get made with absolutely no factual backup.

"Open Culture
@openculture
A 52-year-old military vet starts Yale as a freshman & finds that his peers don't fit the "snowflake" stereotype created by Fox News.
Stereotypes collapse when we leave our bubbles & have challenging but respectful conversations"

link to the complete article (which I previously posted in another thread but it is certainly worth your time and it might dissuade you of some of your "first thoughts" on the subject at hand.

https://gen.medium.com/my-semester-with ... 8285f0e662

[tech37]

https://www.businessinsider.com/retired ... 19-12/amp/ Yep, I saw this...interesting story. My first thought though was that these kids at Yale, in this specific program, are hardly the rule but most definitely the exception, to try stating a general case regarding college student thinking.

IMHO, your first thought and apparent judgment about Yale students overall not being like this students' perception is based upon WHAT exactly? a fan posted this story in reference to a general discussion re college student thinking...I don't think the article makes his case. As for this gentleman's personal experience, I'm certainly not criticizing.
He, at least, lives in New Haven and attends the school. Have you done either? No. I lived in Redding, CT for years. One of my closest friends attended Yale. That's the best i can do

This IMHO is what's wrong with communicating via the internet and not in person face to face with people. There is no personal interaction. A lot gets left out and never said. I don't disagree.

Happy New Year

[Kismet]

https://www.businessinsider.com/retired ... 19-12/amp/ Yep, I saw this...interesting story. My first thought though was that these kids at Yale, in this specific program, are hardly the rule but most definitely the exception, to try stating a general case regarding college student thinking.

IMHO, your first thought and apparent judgment about Yale students overall not being like this students' perception is based upon WHAT exactly? a fan posted this story in reference to a general discussion re college student thinking...I don't think the article makes his case. As for this gentleman's personal experience, I'm certainly not criticizing.
He, at least, lives in New Haven and attends the school. Have you done either? No. I lived in Redding, CT for years. One of my closest friends attended Yale. That's the best i can do

This IMHO is what's wrong with communicating via the internet and not in person face to face with people. There is no personal interaction. A lot gets left out and never said. I don't disagree.

Happy New Year

You mentioned you were not criticizing the gentleman's personal experience - yet you also said regarding Yale "are hardly the rule but most definitely the exception," - my question was - How do you know this about Yale? Have you discussed your apparent dismissive attitude about Yale with your grad friend? I'd be interested in his take.

We certainly agree on your last point. Happy New Year to you, too!!!

[Bart]

Didn't think I was complaining and certainly didn't say what my political "view" was.

And I didn't say that it was a political view. I called it the "minority" view.

The point was that ignorance or willful disregard for opposing views is not relegated to the rural conservative communities docb originally brought up. Sorry, I just don't see Academe as the open land of discourse so many espouse it to be.

I have no clue where you're teaching, but at every University I've been working with as a businessman for 20+ years---in multiple States--- has fallen all over themselves to help, listen to, and enable rural America to thrive. Farming in particular.

Has it occurred to you that you're basing your opinion on, in your words, 25 years of work at one single school? Maybe, just maybe, other schools across the nation are entirely different?

Thanks for the sanctimonious slap on the back however.

Says the guy who is certain that every University in America looks down on "opposing views", and "rural America". They hate farmers! Hide the children! Come on man. Can't say stuff like that, and not expect a rebuttal....Absolutely expected it. I appreciate the effort, certainly not your best but also far from your worse.

I am absolutely basing this on my experience. At the place I work and other institutions I interact(ed) with, what else should I base it on? Certainly is a small geographic sample size but certainly not small in the total number of kids/staff I have worked with. Perhaps my small sample size is an anomaly, certainly could be. The article about the Yale kids was a good read, that is his experience. I will say in MY experience academe is not as open to discourse as some believe it to be and not all views are considered. I believe it should be more open. You and I might disagree on this, I'm ok with that, that is fine and how solutions start.

Do I think Universities hate rural America? Nope, never said that. This whole thing started because docb stated ignorance is more common in rural america, and I disagree.......ignorance is every place, including the college campus. It's good you work with schools where all views are taken the same. Places where you can talk about different topics, hard topics and not be labeled an "ist" of some sort.

For the record, I hate the term snow flake. Does not describe the students I work with. College is certainly more complicated than it was 30 years ago.