The Nation's Financial Condition

[ABV 8.3%]

Nope. You keep yelling at us for talking about the "wrong guy". Not the President. Not the Congressmen. Not the Lobbyist. And I'm guessing if I say let's talk about PAC's or Special interest groups, you'll tell us that's wrong, too.

So let's go. Who do you want to talk about? Start your own thread, and let's finally do it right so you stop complaining all the time.

I'm game.

No.....I have always pushed COngress up front. It's on THEM. Approval ratings. Corruption

start my own thread? what does this even mean.

and than there were 8 . enjoy arguing with yourself AFAN......you've become such a turnoff

[a fan]

So I ask you what do YOU want to talk about, and even that's wrong. Boy, that's quite the operation you're running here.



You've been on this forum for how long, and you're telling me you don't know how to start a new thread?

[Typical Lax Dad]

SO what.....so did his predessor. Even less so. You are the one who keeps on bringing this topic up.

Are you denying the facts that Obama signed everything that landed on his desk too? taats is real

No. I never did deny it. You keep bringing up what Trump has passed as if it’s something special. TAATS!!

97% of the politics comments are about trump.....oh, he's special all right.

So, if nothing has really changed, why the constant drones. We got it in 1977.

Yet, people wanna support another hypocrite Blloomie, who glad handed and LOVED Trump.

Yeah.......7

I will vote for a hub cap if it runs against Trump.

[a fan]

No.....I have always pushed COngress up front. It's on THEM.

Riiiiight.

I just searched your posts. Not one word of specific criticism against McConnell.

Care to try again? Or maybe stop yelling at your fellow posters about "doing it wrong?"

[ABV 8.3%]

No.....I have always pushed COngress up front. It's on THEM.

Riiiiight.

I just searched your posts. Not one word of specific criticism against McConnell.

Care to try again? Or maybe stop yelling at your fellow posters about "doing it wrong?"

are you insane ? Just last week, I mentioned Mitch being bro in law with Zuckerberg (he isn't and all the fecesbook stock mitch loves (he does own) I have ALSO mentioned Mitch, how the pretends should be going crazy in supporting the WOMAN, US Marine pilot, who is running against him.

So what your "research" showed you was, what again? Just proof of more net moving by you, thats all

but, dear leader, on which thread should I discuss Mitch? specifically ? or, should I just ......um.....start my own thread, whatever that means.

[a fan]

are you insane ?

Nope. You can use the search function just like the rest of us.

If we're to believe you're all about criticizing Congress more than Trump? You should have dozens of McConnell posts from your various handles.

They ain't there. You're a pot calling us kettles, black.

Click here for your very own thread on McConnell criticism: viewtopic.php?f=66&t=1616

[CU88]

Shocker, NOT.

In fact, the economy grew 2.9% last year — exactly the same as in 2015.

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/20/78954093 ... s-promises

R's love their hero o d and claim the US Ecomoncy is booming, but always fail to mention the US Debt is also booming along hand in hand.

DEPLORABLE

[MDlaxfan76]

that's easy, remove Trump from office.

With whom? Wine cellar Pete?

Works for me.

Pete got the better of that exchange by a wide margin.
And that didn't even include that Warren was flat wrong about that event being closed to the press.

Warren got her butt handed to her.
Amy Klobuchar did far better in her exchange with Pete, but neither were actually damaged by that one.

I'd love to see either Pete or Amy (or both) take on Trump.
I think they'd crush him.

I'm worried about the rest, though I do think Bloomberg would be a great contrast.
Biden had his best night, helping folks like me be a little less worried...but I remain concerned about his ability to actually debate an issue effectively.

Dems, please don't give us Warren or Sanders. It'll make it far harder for us to persuade our pals to cross the line and vote for the Dem.

And it's simply not an attractive proposition to need to listen to them for the next 4 years if they did win.

Such a Holden ........why is a CONservative watching a DNC tv show (it's NOT a debate ) .....at all?

Does BIll Weld not do it for you? Why aren't you working to get YOUR gop back?

Nope, as much as I'd prefer Weld, fatty, this is the Trump/GOP.

That's not going to change unless Trump is defeated at the polls, the more ignominiously the better.

Post ignominious defeat, there can be some reckoning with how, why, who went so wrong.

Until then, my interest is who may best defeat him and then manage the job well.
They'll have 4-8 years to do so.

[cradleandshoot]

SO what.....so did his predessor. Even less so. You are the one who keeps on bringing this topic up.

Are you denying the facts that Obama signed everything that landed on his desk too? taats is real

No. I never did deny it. You keep bringing up what Trump has passed as if it’s something special. TAATS!!

97% of the politics comments are about trump.....oh, he's special all right.

So, if nothing has really changed, why the constant drones. We got it in 1977.

Yet, people wanna support another hypocrite Blloomie, who glad handed and LOVED Trump.

Yeah.......7

I will vote for a hub cap if it runs against Trump.

So your voting for Joe?

[MDlaxfan76]

Well I'll be damned... USMCA headed for ratification!

Whether Pelosi was forced to act due to impeachment over reach or not, this is great and perhaps shows there is hope for Congress after all?

If you want optimism when it comes to partisanship, you're not paying attention.

They've pushed through 4 massive bipartisan spending bills with no trouble whatsoever.

And when Trump signs what passed the Senate, the count will be 5.

Trump or no Trump, no matter who the next POTUS is... that will never change. You dont get elected running on fiscal sanity.

why are you giving up so easily? ff

Maybe I should increase my debt load. Currently, it's a zero. Should I borrow? ANyone here connected with the Fed? (my contact now teaches at an Ivy league college ) Can I get a zero interest loan, like big banks?

Just a hunch, but you may well not have any collateral or interest coverage either...

[Typical Lax Dad]

SO what.....so did his predessor. Even less so. You are the one who keeps on bringing this topic up.

Are you denying the facts that Obama signed everything that landed on his desk too? taats is real

No. I never did deny it. You keep bringing up what Trump has passed as if it’s something special. TAATS!!

97% of the politics comments are about trump.....oh, he's special all right.

So, if nothing has really changed, why the constant drones. We got it in 1977.

Yet, people wanna support another hypocrite Blloomie, who glad handed and LOVED Trump.

Yeah.......7

I will vote for a hub cap if it runs against Trump.

So your voting for Joe?

If he is the democratic nominee, yes.

[cradleandshoot]

that's easy, remove Trump from office.

With whom? Wine cellar Pete?

Works for me.

Pete got the better of that exchange by a wide margin.
And that didn't even include that Warren was flat wrong about that event being closed to the press.

Warren got her butt handed to her.
Amy Klobuchar did far better in her exchange with Pete, but neither were actually damaged by that one.

I'd love to see either Pete or Amy (or both) take on Trump.
I think they'd crush him.

I'm worried about the rest, though I do think Bloomberg would be a great contrast.
Biden had his best night, helping folks like me be a little less worried...but I remain concerned about his ability to actually debate an issue effectively.

Dems, please don't give us Warren or Sanders. It'll make it far harder for us to persuade our pals to cross the line and vote for the Dem.

And it's simply not an attractive proposition to need to listen to them for the next 4 years if they did win.

Such a Holden ........why is a CONservative watching a DNC tv show (it's NOT a debate ) .....at all?

Does BIll Weld not do it for you? Why aren't you working to get YOUR gop back?

Nope, as much as I'd prefer Weld, fatty, this is the Trump/GOP.

That's not going to change unless Trump is defeated at the polls, the more ignominiously the better.

Post ignominious defeat, there can be some reckoning with how, why, who went so wrong.

Until then, my interest is who may best defeat him and then manage the job well.
They'll have 4-8 years to do so.

How can this be the Trump GOP? Trump is about as much a Republican as HRC is. Trump is about as much a conservative as is Bernie Sanders. Trump is the fly in the ointment that none of you people saw coming. The one credit I can give to Trump is he has the balls to not care about what other people and the media say about him. They hit him... he hits back. When the media attacked mittens... he ran under the bed and hid. Would not be prudent to defend yourself. Media might judge you too harshly...

[MDlaxfan76]

that's easy, remove Trump from office.

With whom? Wine cellar Pete?

Works for me.

Pete got the better of that exchange by a wide margin.
And that didn't even include that Warren was flat wrong about that event being closed to the press.

Warren got her butt handed to her.
Amy Klobuchar did far better in her exchange with Pete, but neither were actually damaged by that one.

I'd love to see either Pete or Amy (or both) take on Trump.
I think they'd crush him.

I'm worried about the rest, though I do think Bloomberg would be a great contrast.
Biden had his best night, helping folks like me be a little less worried...but I remain concerned about his ability to actually debate an issue effectively.

Dems, please don't give us Warren or Sanders. It'll make it far harder for us to persuade our pals to cross the line and vote for the Dem.

And it's simply not an attractive proposition to need to listen to them for the next 4 years if they did win.

Such a Holden ........why is a CONservative watching a DNC tv show (it's NOT a debate ) .....at all?

Does BIll Weld not do it for you? Why aren't you working to get YOUR gop back?

Nope, as much as I'd prefer Weld, fatty, this is the Trump/GOP.

That's not going to change unless Trump is defeated at the polls, the more ignominiously the better.

Post ignominious defeat, there can be some reckoning with how, why, who went so wrong.

Until then, my interest is who may best defeat him and then manage the job well.
They'll have 4-8 years to do so.

How can this be the Trump GOP? Trump is about as much a Republican as HRC is. Trump is about as much a conservative as is Bernie Sanders. Trump is the fly in the ointment that none of you people saw coming. The one credit I can give to Trump is he has the balls to not care about what other people and the media say about him. They hit him... he hits back. When the media attacked mittens... he ran under the bed and hid. Would not be prudent to defend yourself. Media might judge you too harshly...

Spoken as a true Trumpist, ex-Dem...fitting right in with the angry, resentful, fearful demographic he appeals to most.

He obviously owns the party now, the full apparatus, with anyone not on board and appropriately bending the knee faces being primaried with the full weight of the base opposed. So, they leave office, one way or another.

It was an ugly takeover and its not finished playing out in its entirety.

It's doomed to ultimate failure, but the question is how much damage will be done in the meantime.

"he hits back" being what you guys value.

The silly aspect though is the notion that he does "not care about what other people and the media say about him."
That's a total crock.

[Trinity]

Never fights on equal footing and wears makeup. Lies about everything. Picks on girls.
Whose idea of manhood is this? This is a lacrosse site, right?

[cradleandshoot]

that's easy, remove Trump from office.

With whom? Wine cellar Pete?

Works for me.

Pete got the better of that exchange by a wide margin.
And that didn't even include that Warren was flat wrong about that event being closed to the press.

Warren got her butt handed to her.
Amy Klobuchar did far better in her exchange with Pete, but neither were actually damaged by that one.

I'd love to see either Pete or Amy (or both) take on Trump.
I think they'd crush him.

I'm worried about the rest, though I do think Bloomberg would be a great contrast.
Biden had his best night, helping folks like me be a little less worried...but I remain concerned about his ability to actually debate an issue effectively.

Dems, please don't give us Warren or Sanders. It'll make it far harder for us to persuade our pals to cross the line and vote for the Dem.

And it's simply not an attractive proposition to need to listen to them for the next 4 years if they did win.

Such a Holden ........why is a CONservative watching a DNC tv show (it's NOT a debate ) .....at all?

Does BIll Weld not do it for you? Why aren't you working to get YOUR gop back?

Nope, as much as I'd prefer Weld, fatty, this is the Trump/GOP.

That's not going to change unless Trump is defeated at the polls, the more ignominiously the better.

Post ignominious defeat, there can be some reckoning with how, why, who went so wrong.

Until then, my interest is who may best defeat him and then manage the job well.
They'll have 4-8 years to do so.

How can this be the Trump GOP? Trump is about as much a Republican as HRC is. Trump is about as much a conservative as is Bernie Sanders. Trump is the fly in the ointment that none of you people saw coming. The one credit I can give to Trump is he has the balls to not care about what other people and the media say about him. They hit him... he hits back. When the media attacked mittens... he ran under the bed and hid. Would not be prudent to defend yourself. Media might judge you too harshly...

Spoken as a true Trumpist, ex-Dem...fitting right in with the angry, resentful, fearful demographic he appeals to most.

He obviously owns the party now, the full apparatus, with anyone not on board and appropriately bending the knee faces being primaried with the full weight of the base opposed. So, they leave office, one way or another.

It was an ugly takeover and its not finished playing out in its entirety.

It's doomed to ultimate failure, but the question is how much damage will be done in the meantime.

"he hits back" being what you guys value.

The silly aspect though is the notion that he does "not care about what other people and the media say about him."
That's a total crock.

You callin me a Trumpist Willis?? I may have a boatload of defects of character but that ain't one of them. There is that saying about where you gotta give the devil his due. So many folks here hate trump so vehemently that they forget how he got to be POTUS. They also forget why nice guy mittens had his arse handed to him. The problem with being too nice is that you transform into a doormat that folks can walk right over. Hey, mittens gave one hell of a concession speech did he not. Gotta give him credit for that. What the Republicans need is to morph a candidate that is half mittens and half Trump. There are not many candidates on the Republican side that can pull that off.

.On another note I'm not happy to be an ex Democrat. What has happened to the Democrat party of my parents? I have no clue. My mom was a devout Catholic who so despised abortion so much that it was not even a debatable topic with her. In the Catholic/ Democrat family I grew up in, that is the way it was. There was Catholic dogma that was ingrained in you from being a little tyke. There was also the Catholic dogma that instilled in all of us the virtues of helping other people in need. In the Democrat party of today, folks who claim to be devout Catholics look at abortion as no big deal. Its just a women's right to choose. I spent 4 years in a Catholic HS in the mid seventies and if you wanted to debate this with any faculty member the only answer was that life began at inception and abortion was murder. Since I am no longer a Democrat or a Catholic, what do I know? Somewhere along the line in the past 40 years what it means to be a devout Catholic sure the hell has changed... just like the Democrat party changed from what it once was to what it is today. You Republicans... by and large you are the same wishy washy folks you have always been. Be nice and never offend anybody. That is the golden rule on how to win elections... NOT

The silly aspect though is the notion that he does "not care about what other people and the media say about him."
That's a total crock.

I could have phrased it better. he does care and it does bother him. i remember through the 8 years of GWB he was eviscerated every day by the media and he never fought back, never said anything to defend himself. That is who Trump is and why so many people support the guy. I know you would prefer he take the mittens high road and keep his mouth shut and take the beating he is getting. That is not being a Trumpist. I do respect the fact he will at least fight back. As much as i dislike Trumps personality and demeanor I dislike your caspar miquetoast approach to how the Republican party should operate. The proof in the pudding is that being the Democrat whipping boys it is not winning you elections. It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and nice. You have apparently become very comfortable with getting the last place trophy for participation year in and year out. You can't forget all of those profound and moving concession speeches your folks put forward.

[Typical Lax Dad]

that's easy, remove Trump from office.

With whom? Wine cellar Pete?

Works for me.

Pete got the better of that exchange by a wide margin.
And that didn't even include that Warren was flat wrong about that event being closed to the press.

Warren got her butt handed to her.
Amy Klobuchar did far better in her exchange with Pete, but neither were actually damaged by that one.

I'd love to see either Pete or Amy (or both) take on Trump.
I think they'd crush him.

I'm worried about the rest, though I do think Bloomberg would be a great contrast.
Biden had his best night, helping folks like me be a little less worried...but I remain concerned about his ability to actually debate an issue effectively.

Dems, please don't give us Warren or Sanders. It'll make it far harder for us to persuade our pals to cross the line and vote for the Dem.

And it's simply not an attractive proposition to need to listen to them for the next 4 years if they did win.

Such a Holden ........why is a CONservative watching a DNC tv show (it's NOT a debate ) .....at all?

Does BIll Weld not do it for you? Why aren't you working to get YOUR gop back?

Nope, as much as I'd prefer Weld, fatty, this is the Trump/GOP.

That's not going to change unless Trump is defeated at the polls, the more ignominiously the better.

Post ignominious defeat, there can be some reckoning with how, why, who went so wrong.

Until then, my interest is who may best defeat him and then manage the job well.
They'll have 4-8 years to do so.

How can this be the Trump GOP? Trump is about as much a Republican as HRC is. Trump is about as much a conservative as is Bernie Sanders. Trump is the fly in the ointment that none of you people saw coming. The one credit I can give to Trump is he has the balls to not care about what other people and the media say about him. They hit him... he hits back. When the media attacked mittens... he ran under the bed and hid. Would not be prudent to defend yourself. Media might judge you too harshly...

Spoken as a true Trumpist, ex-Dem...fitting right in with the angry, resentful, fearful demographic he appeals to most.

He obviously owns the party now, the full apparatus, with anyone not on board and appropriately bending the knee faces being primaried with the full weight of the base opposed. So, they leave office, one way or another.

It was an ugly takeover and its not finished playing out in its entirety.

It's doomed to ultimate failure, but the question is how much damage will be done in the meantime.

"he hits back" being what you guys value.

The silly aspect though is the notion that he does "not care about what other people and the media say about him."
That's a total crock.

You callin me a Trumpist Willis?? I may have a boatload of defects of character but that ain't one of them. There is that saying about where you gotta give the devil his due. So many folks here hate trump so vehemently that they forget how he got to be POTUS. They also forget why nice guy mittens had his arse handed to him. The problem with being too nice is that you transform into a doormat that folks can walk right over. Hey, mittens gave one hell of a concession speech did he not. Gotta give him credit for that. What the Republicans need is to morph a candidate that is half mittens and half Trump. There are not many candidates on the Republican side that can pull that off.

.On another note I'm not happy to be an ex Democrat. What has happened to the Democrat party of my parents? I have no clue. My mom was a devout Catholic who so despised abortion so much that it was not even a debatable topic with her. In the Catholic/ Democrat family I grew up in, that is the way it was. There was Catholic dogma that was ingrained in you from being a little tyke. There was also the Catholic dogma that instilled in all of us the virtues of helping other people in need. In the Democrat party of today, folks who claim to be devout Catholics look at abortion as no big deal. Its just a women's right to choose. I spent 4 years in a Catholic HS in the mid seventies and if you wanted to debate this with any faculty member the only answer was that life began at inception and abortion was murder. Since I am no longer a Democrat or a Catholic, what do I know? Somewhere along the line in the past 40 years what it means to be a devout Catholic sure the hell has changed... just like the Democrat party changed from what it once was to what it is today. You Republicans... by and large you are the same wishy washy folks you have always been. Be nice and never offend anybody. That is the golden rule on how to win elections... NOT

They started raping little boys?

[cradleandshoot]

Never fights on equal footing and wears makeup. Lies about everything. Picks on girls.
Whose idea of manhood is this? This is a lacrosse site, right?

Who knows? There could be a lot of lax players that don't fight on an equal footing and wears makeup(eye black) and they may even pick on girls. That being said, lax players never lie.

[cradleandshoot]

that's easy, remove Trump from office.

With whom? Wine cellar Pete?

Works for me.

Pete got the better of that exchange by a wide margin.
And that didn't even include that Warren was flat wrong about that event being closed to the press.

Warren got her butt handed to her.
Amy Klobuchar did far better in her exchange with Pete, but neither were actually damaged by that one.

I'd love to see either Pete or Amy (or both) take on Trump.
I think they'd crush him.

I'm worried about the rest, though I do think Bloomberg would be a great contrast.
Biden had his best night, helping folks like me be a little less worried...but I remain concerned about his ability to actually debate an issue effectively.

Dems, please don't give us Warren or Sanders. It'll make it far harder for us to persuade our pals to cross the line and vote for the Dem.

And it's simply not an attractive proposition to need to listen to them for the next 4 years if they did win.

Such a Holden ........why is a CONservative watching a DNC tv show (it's NOT a debate ) .....at all?

Does BIll Weld not do it for you? Why aren't you working to get YOUR gop back?

Nope, as much as I'd prefer Weld, fatty, this is the Trump/GOP.

That's not going to change unless Trump is defeated at the polls, the more ignominiously the better.

Post ignominious defeat, there can be some reckoning with how, why, who went so wrong.

Until then, my interest is who may best defeat him and then manage the job well.
They'll have 4-8 years to do so.

How can this be the Trump GOP? Trump is about as much a Republican as HRC is. Trump is about as much a conservative as is Bernie Sanders. Trump is the fly in the ointment that none of you people saw coming. The one credit I can give to Trump is he has the balls to not care about what other people and the media say about him. They hit him... he hits back. When the media attacked mittens... he ran under the bed and hid. Would not be prudent to defend yourself. Media might judge you too harshly...

Spoken as a true Trumpist, ex-Dem...fitting right in with the angry, resentful, fearful demographic he appeals to most.

He obviously owns the party now, the full apparatus, with anyone not on board and appropriately bending the knee faces being primaried with the full weight of the base opposed. So, they leave office, one way or another.

It was an ugly takeover and its not finished playing out in its entirety.

It's doomed to ultimate failure, but the question is how much damage will be done in the meantime.

"he hits back" being what you guys value.

The silly aspect though is the notion that he does "not care about what other people and the media say about him."
That's a total crock.

You callin me a Trumpist Willis?? I may have a boatload of defects of character but that ain't one of them. There is that saying about where you gotta give the devil his due. So many folks here hate trump so vehemently that they forget how he got to be POTUS. They also forget why nice guy mittens had his arse handed to him. The problem with being too nice is that you transform into a doormat that folks can walk right over. Hey, mittens gave one hell of a concession speech did he not. Gotta give him credit for that. What the Republicans need is to morph a candidate that is half mittens and half Trump. There are not many candidates on the Republican side that can pull that off.

.On another note I'm not happy to be an ex Democrat. What has happened to the Democrat party of my parents? I have no clue. My mom was a devout Catholic who so despised abortion so much that it was not even a debatable topic with her. In the Catholic/ Democrat family I grew up in, that is the way it was. There was Catholic dogma that was ingrained in you from being a little tyke. There was also the Catholic dogma that instilled in all of us the virtues of helping other people in need. In the Democrat party of today, folks who claim to be devout Catholics look at abortion as no big deal. Its just a women's right to choose. I spent 4 years in a Catholic HS in the mid seventies and if you wanted to debate this with any faculty member the only answer was that life began at inception and abortion was murder. Since I am no longer a Democrat or a Catholic, what do I know? Somewhere along the line in the past 40 years what it means to be a devout Catholic sure the hell has changed... just like the Democrat party changed from what it once was to what it is today. You Republicans... by and large you are the same wishy washy folks you have always been. Be nice and never offend anybody. That is the golden rule on how to win elections... NOT

They started raping little boys?

I can only speak for myself. In all my years as a Catholic never once did any priest ever approach me in an inappropriate manner. It is odd that so many folks are remembering stuff from 40 and 50 years ago that Father Joe did to them. Father Joe died 20 years ago and how funny is that that there is money to be made accusing people who can't defend themselves because they are friggin dead. What is that that James Carville said about draggin a hunnah dollah bill through a trailer park?

[cradleandshoot]

that's easy, remove Trump from office.

With whom? Wine cellar Pete?

Works for me.

Pete got the better of that exchange by a wide margin.
And that didn't even include that Warren was flat wrong about that event being closed to the press.

Warren got her butt handed to her.
Amy Klobuchar did far better in her exchange with Pete, but neither were actually damaged by that one.

I'd love to see either Pete or Amy (or both) take on Trump.
I think they'd crush him.

I'm worried about the rest, though I do think Bloomberg would be a great contrast.
Biden had his best night, helping folks like me be a little less worried...but I remain concerned about his ability to actually debate an issue effectively.

Dems, please don't give us Warren or Sanders. It'll make it far harder for us to persuade our pals to cross the line and vote for the Dem.

And it's simply not an attractive proposition to need to listen to them for the next 4 years if they did win.

Such a Holden ........why is a CONservative watching a DNC tv show (it's NOT a debate ) .....at all?

Does BIll Weld not do it for you? Why aren't you working to get YOUR gop back?

Nope, as much as I'd prefer Weld, fatty, this is the Trump/GOP.

That's not going to change unless Trump is defeated at the polls, the more ignominiously the better.

Post ignominious defeat, there can be some reckoning with how, why, who went so wrong.

Until then, my interest is who may best defeat him and then manage the job well.
They'll have 4-8 years to do so.

How can this be the Trump GOP? Trump is about as much a Republican as HRC is. Trump is about as much a conservative as is Bernie Sanders. Trump is the fly in the ointment that none of you people saw coming. The one credit I can give to Trump is he has the balls to not care about what other people and the media say about him. They hit him... he hits back. When the media attacked mittens... he ran under the bed and hid. Would not be prudent to defend yourself. Media might judge you too harshly...

Spoken as a true Trumpist, ex-Dem...fitting right in with the angry, resentful, fearful demographic he appeals to most.

He obviously owns the party now, the full apparatus, with anyone not on board and appropriately bending the knee faces being primaried with the full weight of the base opposed. So, they leave office, one way or another.

It was an ugly takeover and its not finished playing out in its entirety.

It's doomed to ultimate failure, but the question is how much damage will be done in the meantime.

"he hits back" being what you guys value.

The silly aspect though is the notion that he does "not care about what other people and the media say about him."
That's a total crock.

"he hits back" being what you guys value.

And mittens lied down and never defended himself from all the innuendo and insults hurled at him. Lying down, that is what your respective wing of the Republican party values. At being a chicken Schiff... you sir have mastered the art.

[Typical Lax Dad]

that's easy, remove Trump from office.

With whom? Wine cellar Pete?

Works for me.

Pete got the better of that exchange by a wide margin.
And that didn't even include that Warren was flat wrong about that event being closed to the press.

Warren got her butt handed to her.
Amy Klobuchar did far better in her exchange with Pete, but neither were actually damaged by that one.

I'd love to see either Pete or Amy (or both) take on Trump.
I think they'd crush him.

I'm worried about the rest, though I do think Bloomberg would be a great contrast.
Biden had his best night, helping folks like me be a little less worried...but I remain concerned about his ability to actually debate an issue effectively.

Dems, please don't give us Warren or Sanders. It'll make it far harder for us to persuade our pals to cross the line and vote for the Dem.

And it's simply not an attractive proposition to need to listen to them for the next 4 years if they did win.

Such a Holden ........why is a CONservative watching a DNC tv show (it's NOT a debate ) .....at all?

Does BIll Weld not do it for you? Why aren't you working to get YOUR gop back?

Nope, as much as I'd prefer Weld, fatty, this is the Trump/GOP.

That's not going to change unless Trump is defeated at the polls, the more ignominiously the better.

Post ignominious defeat, there can be some reckoning with how, why, who went so wrong.

Until then, my interest is who may best defeat him and then manage the job well.
They'll have 4-8 years to do so.

How can this be the Trump GOP? Trump is about as much a Republican as HRC is. Trump is about as much a conservative as is Bernie Sanders. Trump is the fly in the ointment that none of you people saw coming. The one credit I can give to Trump is he has the balls to not care about what other people and the media say about him. They hit him... he hits back. When the media attacked mittens... he ran under the bed and hid. Would not be prudent to defend yourself. Media might judge you too harshly...

Spoken as a true Trumpist, ex-Dem...fitting right in with the angry, resentful, fearful demographic he appeals to most.

He obviously owns the party now, the full apparatus, with anyone not on board and appropriately bending the knee faces being primaried with the full weight of the base opposed. So, they leave office, one way or another.

It was an ugly takeover and its not finished playing out in its entirety.

It's doomed to ultimate failure, but the question is how much damage will be done in the meantime.

"he hits back" being what you guys value.

The silly aspect though is the notion that he does "not care about what other people and the media say about him."
That's a total crock.

You callin me a Trumpist Willis?? I may have a boatload of defects of character but that ain't one of them. There is that saying about where you gotta give the devil his due. So many folks here hate trump so vehemently that they forget how he got to be POTUS. They also forget why nice guy mittens had his arse handed to him. The problem with being too nice is that you transform into a doormat that folks can walk right over. Hey, mittens gave one hell of a concession speech did he not. Gotta give him credit for that. What the Republicans need is to morph a candidate that is half mittens and half Trump. There are not many candidates on the Republican side that can pull that off.

.On another note I'm not happy to be an ex Democrat. What has happened to the Democrat party of my parents? I have no clue. My mom was a devout Catholic who so despised abortion so much that it was not even a debatable topic with her. In the Catholic/ Democrat family I grew up in, that is the way it was. There was Catholic dogma that was ingrained in you from being a little tyke. There was also the Catholic dogma that instilled in all of us the virtues of helping other people in need. In the Democrat party of today, folks who claim to be devout Catholics look at abortion as no big deal. Its just a women's right to choose. I spent 4 years in a Catholic HS in the mid seventies and if you wanted to debate this with any faculty member the only answer was that life began at inception and abortion was murder. Since I am no longer a Democrat or a Catholic, what do I know? Somewhere along the line in the past 40 years what it means to be a devout Catholic sure the hell has changed... just like the Democrat party changed from what it once was to what it is today. You Republicans... by and large you are the same wishy washy folks you have always been. Be nice and never offend anybody. That is the golden rule on how to win elections... NOT

They started raping little boys?

I can only speak for myself. In all my years as a Catholic never once did any priest ever approach me in an inappropriate manner. It is odd that so many folks are remembering stuff from 40 and 50 years ago that Father Joe did to them. Father Joe died 20 years ago and how funny is that that there is money to be made accusing people who can't defend themselves because they are friggin dead. What is that that James Carville said about draggin a hunnah dollah bill through a trailer park?

My son’s teammate witnessed one down in an African Village two summers ago. Priest had been shipped off to a place where he thought nobody would know..... you personally ever see a woman raped? It’s not true unless you “seen it” with your own eyes?