So Doc trots these out very so often to combat a notion that the program is off. Of Course, with the sole exception of the tournament appearances - virtually every stat was compiled in the first eight years (2001-2008) vs the last 11 years - let's review 2009-2019 from memoryDocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:44 pm Let’s see ...
19 Seasons
18 NCAA tournament bids
7 Final Fours
4 National Championship Games
2 National Championships
0 Major Off-Field Scandals
2009 - quarterfinal appearance - to date worst playoff loss in program history to UVA
2010 - NCAA first round - a new worst playoff loss in program history to Duke
2011- program rebounds a bit in regular season - quarterfinal appearance - completely outclassed by Denver
2012 - Program ends Klockner curse - becomes #1 in the polls - promptly smacked down by UNC very next week - dope slapped twice by Maryland - 6 goal loss to Terps in NCAA quarterfinals
2013 - missed tournament and while not a "scandal" per se - rolling suspensions of every sophomore, junior and senior on the team qualifies as "something" and if Daniels had cancelled the season like he initially thought to - then you would have had a "scandal" big time
2014 - great win at Klockner in first round of NCAA's - 8 goal loss to Duke in quarters except for '09 and '10 would have been worst loss in play-off history
2015 - the one shining moment - often forgotten is the fact that joining the BIG is the only reason Hopkins made the NCAAs AND what is not commonly known is that the 2016 issue with Tinney started in 2015 and I have been told that if Bernlohr had allowed Tinney's goal with 30 seconds left and Hopkins had won in OT then Hopkins would have played Denver without double nickels - scandalous?
2016 - no Tinney as we know for off the field stuff - injuries galore - embarrassing first round loss to Brown - tied for worst ever?
2017 - embarrassing first round loss to Duke at home - worst ever?
2018 - quarters appearance - made Duke sit up and take notice in the third quarter - still lost by 5
2019 - Trailed 10-2 at halftime to a team that did not average 10 goals per game for the year in NCAA first round - gave up 16 - lost by 7
So first 8 years
2 quarterfinal appearances
6 Final Fours
4 Title Games
2 Ships
Last 11 years
1 Final Four
5 quarterfinals
4 NCAA First rounds
1 Missed Tournament
With the exception of 2015 - the closest losses in the tournament was 5 goals to Duke and maybe Denver?
2009/2010/2014/2016/2017 - would all qualify as the worst playoff loss in Hopkins history if taken individually - total goal differential in those 5 games EXCEEDS 40
There's a big difference - Grand Canyon sized difference. If you are comparing Hopkins to all other 60/70 odd DI programs than yes there are approximately 50-60 schools that would love to make the tournament 11 times out of 12. But that is not supposed to be what Hopkins strives for. We are the school playing Division I lacrosse because of its historical significance to the school and we DO have 9 NCAA titles and 44 total in the other forms. The question to me is what has changed since approx. 2009 and is there anything Hopkins can do about it. IMO - Petro has NOT really changed - he has tried to soften his most aggressive tendencies IMO but he is essentially the same guy. There are 3 things I can identify that might matter:
- Seth Tierney is not the OC - I don't put alot of stock in this one personally
- The ascension of other major Division I schools - big reason - can't control that one - only hope to devise strategies to combat it best you can
- Early Recruiting - Huge issue IMO - absolutely incontrovertible fact that deterioration in overall and especially tournament performance coincided a great deal in timing with Hopkins filling up its entire classes with the youngest possible players - the NCAA helped Hopkins here