LandM wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:28 am
MD,
I could care less about the affair being outed. I have seen many an affair in the business world - that is between you and your spouse, I shake my head over it but I learned after the first one best to stay out of it......unfortunately weasel Aventtia who many out hear cheered him on, exposed that. But I do care that a bunch of long-serving bureaucrats can make determinations without due process. The FBI works in secret and can do anything they want with limited oversight - that is what I worry about. For her to wallow in sorry is crazy, she initiated it now live with it. Why you and others cannot see that and opine on it in the same fashion you have with Trump is beyond reason. The hate Trump factor is only going to get you so far.
As far as Trump, there are many things I loath about him NOR did I VOTE for him nor will I this time but he is unconventional and many of you out here are unwilling to accept that. This country will get through this but going around talking about sucking and Heil is just adding coal to the fire. You are just helping the guy gain another victory.
Best
LandM,
I doubt anyone who is offended when I say "Heil Trump" is going to suddenly become a Trump voter who wasn't already going to do so.
Yes, he's "unconventional". I don't see anyone on these threads taking issue with that fact.
The question is whether he's corrupt to the core, whether he's betrayed his oath of office, whether he's sacrificed American security interests for personal political gain, whether he and his family and cronies have run the Presidency and Administration for personal financial profit, whether he has encouraged and fanned the flames of racism, nativism, ethnic and religious bigotry, misogyny, and exacerbated social divisions in our country...
Or whether his "policies" have delivered anything remotely close to his promises "Mexico will pay for the Wall", coal is coming back, "trade wars are easy to win"...much less that he will reduce the national debt!
It's not that he's "unconventional".
On Page, you seem to think that she deserves the treatment she received...because she had an 'affair' and communicated via text. And you wrote about her and Strozk as if they fully deserved this, because when there's been one affair there's usually more?
I agree, affairs should typically be a private matter, though when one is a public figure and has affairs, I think that's on the people choosing to risk being 'outed' publicly. But Page never sought to be a public figure. Quite the contrary. Indeed, this is the first public interview she's done over the 3 years since her name began to be dragged through the mud. No, she did not "initiate it"...someone leaked those texts for political benefit, without context.
You profess to be concerned:
"But I do care that a bunch of long-serving bureaucrats can make determinations without due process. The FBI works in secret and can do anything they want with limited oversight - that is what I worry about. For her to wallow in sorry is crazy, she initiated it now live with it."
No, the FBI professionals have both internal oversight through the chain of command, plus an independent IG, plus oversight from both houses of Congress. Indeed, the latter is what Trumpists want to eliminate, the oversight by Congress. The refusal to appear under subpoena, the refusal to produce documents under subpoena.
We don't know for sure what the IG is going to report out about Page, but it sounds like he's going to clear her of any bias in her professional activities, that indeed there was way more than ample reason to begin the investigation of Russian interference (they really did interfere, with a sweeping active measures campaign on behalf of candidate Trump and against candidate Clinton) and into the Trump Campaign's welcoming of that interference (they really did welcome that interference).
If that's the case, did she really deserve the President's imitating an orgasm?
The constant hate tweets? The death threats?
