Trump's Russian Collusion

[Bandito]

A man of the people of all walks of life (34% black approval rating).

Now that's what I call gas-lighting!

Which, by the way, is a technique frequently used in manipulative/abusive relationships.

Going to be quite a hangover for the Trumpsters when Trump finally goes away.

Two reliable polls ( Rasmussen predicted as did I Trump winning. You didn’t). Have high approval from blacks. Lots are waking up from years of mind enslavement from the DemonKKKrat party. Trump will be YOUR President through 2024. Must stink to be this wrong all the time. Too bad for you.

Rasmussen, in their latest approval poll for Trump has him underwater 44% to 55%. Fivethirtyeight correction for bias built into their voter screen puts that poll at 40% approval vs 56% disapproval. This is among _likely_ voters. Not a very good indicator of re-election...

Your 34% number seems made up. Most everyone else has black approval of Trump at around 10% or so.

From Larry Schweikart, who predicted Trumps victory.

Two things are important about these numbers. DO NOT believe that Trump is going to get 34% of the black vote. This is insanity.
2) DO believe that Trump is doing far, far better with blacks than any Republican in 40 years.

HarrisX, Morning Consult, and other polls followed by @SHEPMJS show he is somewhere between 16% and 26% approval.
mentions 3) Now, you "could" average Emerson, Ras, and the rest for some number in the high 20s, or you could more likely conclude that Trump is probably inching up from that 16% floor toward the 20% range.

4) And that's HUGE. You must understand that 20% approval will NOT equal . . .
mentions 4) contd. . . . 20% vote for Trump. But I guaran-damn-tee you that he will do significantly better with black voters in 2020 than he did in 2016; and equally important, he will cause many more % worth of doubters to stay home.

I think that cumulative # will approach 18-20.
mentions 5) And if that is the case? Trump won't need to worry at all about PA, MI, NC, or FL, and will likely push on VA.

6) You will say "the GOP didn't do well in VA in the last election."

7) Correctomundo. Nor in the TN or LA gov races.

Was Trump on any of those ballots?
mentions 8) I have been arguing that the #s you see for Trump do NOT necessarily translate to other GOP candidates . . . however. . .

9) In MS, black turnout was down, and in the two "blackest" districts, it was down 8% and 11%! Those are whopping numbers with Trump not on the ballot.
mentions 10) So, until you actually have an election with Trump, it will be impossible to prove one way or another. I don't think GOP performance relates much at all to TRUMP performance among blacks.

African-Americans are still evaluating Rs to see if they are "like Trump."
mentions 11) In VA and TN, they didn't see anyone that was "like Trump." In the 2018 AZ and OH senate races they didn't see anyone who was "like Trump." So why bother?

12) If this dynamic proves true--that the black vote is eroding by staying home, but will turn out for Trump . . .
mentions 12) contd . . . then the suburban snowflake vote will be irrelevant. Trump will have realigned the major parties to where the GOP is the party of America First and workers, and the DemoKKKrats are the party of the rich, the uber-poor, and the victims.

[ggait]

Two reliable polls ( Rasmussen predicted as did I Trump winning. You didn’t).

More gas-lighting.

The final average of all polls was Hillary +3.3%. Ras had it Hillary by a little under 2%. Final tally was Hillary +2.1%. All basically within the margin of error. If you have evidence that your favorite pollster Ras called the EC correctly, please share. I'm not seeing that.

FYI, Ras was the least accurate pollster for the 2018 election.

Rasmussen's final poll was the least accurate of any of the 32 polls. They had the Republicans ahead nationally by one point. Democrats are currently winning the national House vote by 8.6 points. That's an error of nearly 10 points.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/08/politics ... index.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -5952.html

[Bandito]

Two reliable polls ( Rasmussen predicted as did I Trump winning. You didn’t).

More gas-lighting.

The final average of all polls was Hillary +3.3%. Ras had it Hillary by a little under 2%. Final tally was Hillary +2.1%. All basically within the margin of error. If you have evidence that your favorite pollster Ras called the EC correctly, please share. I'm not seeing that.

FYI, Ras was the least accurate pollster for the 2018 election.

Rasmussen's final poll was the least accurate of any of the 32 polls. They had the Republicans ahead nationally by one point. Democrats are currently winning the national House vote by 8.6 points. That's an error of nearly 10 points.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/08/politics ... index.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -5952.html

NYT/CNN : 92 percent chance of Hillary winning. Yet you still site fake news polls? Talk about gaslighting

[Bandito]

So I thought Trump was going to be impeached? I thought it was a done deal? What happened ?? Why hasn’t he been impeached yet?!?!?! What’s wrong with Botox Nancy? I’m a nervous wreck over here!!! Come on guys!!! What happened? Why isn’t he impeached?!?!?! Someone tell me!

I thought you all said those witnesses actually witnessed something?! Are you telling me they lied as did you all? Come on, just impeach the MFer as Rashida Tlaib said! Why Can’t you just impeach the MFer already?!?

[RedFromMI]

Two reliable polls ( Rasmussen predicted as did I Trump winning. You didn’t).

More gas-lighting.

The final average of all polls was Hillary +3.3%. Ras had it Hillary by a little under 2%. Final tally was Hillary +2.1%. All basically within the margin of error. If you have evidence that your favorite pollster Ras called the EC correctly, please share. I'm not seeing that.

FYI, Ras was the least accurate pollster for the 2018 election.

Rasmussen's final poll was the least accurate of any of the 32 polls. They had the Republicans ahead nationally by one point. Democrats are currently winning the national House vote by 8.6 points. That's an error of nearly 10 points.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/08/politics ... index.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -5952.html

NYT/CNN : 92 percent chance of Hillary winning. Yet you still site fake news polls? Talk about gaslighting

She lost three states (MI, PA, WI) where the margin of victory was all a tiny fraction of a percent. That got Trump the win even though the likelihood was only 8 percent for him. And that is how odds work - there is absolutely no inconsistency with saying 92% chance of winning and not having the win - just very unlikely. And Trump needed to cheat and had extra help to do so: Russian interference and feeding of information to Wikileaks for timed release to distract from the "grab them by the **y" tape, and Comey with his ill timed letter about the "emails" that was quite uncalled for just before the election; plus the presence of two third party candidates that took more votes away from Clinton than Trump. So not gaslighting. Just facts.

But even Ras has Trump underwater by 11% in their most recent poll of likely voters...

[RedFromMI]

So I thought Trump was going to be impeached? I thought it was a done deal? What happened ?? Why hasn’t he been impeached yet?!?!?! What’s wrong with Botox Nancy? I’m a nervous wreck over here!!! Come on guys!!! What happened? Why isn’t he impeached?!?!?! Someone tell me!

I thought you all said those witnesses actually witnessed something?! Are you telling me they lied as did you all? Come on, just impeach the MFer as Rashida Tlaib said! Why Can’t you just impeach the MFer already?!?

They have not even written the summary report (from the Intelligence Committee) and sent it to the Judiciary Committee. They would not be expected to have a "vote" on impeachment of the full House until much closer to Christmas at the earliest. You seem to get quite overworked by your fake news sources!

[ggait]

538/Nate Silver gave Trump a 28.6% chance to win the election. And almost no chance of winning the popular vote (which was correct). An upset, but not a lightning bolt or meteor strike. 29% events happen all the time.

Even though the odds would still be against, we'd all def buy a Powerball ticket (and start shopping for boats and Ferraris) if you told us we had a 29% chance of winning. That's how probabilities work.

Last thing. If Trump was so uber-awesome, how come no one thinks he could ever win the popular vote? Or a majority of the vote?

If Trump squeeks out another EC victory (certainly possible), he'd be the only person in U.S. history to lose/win twice.

[Bandito]

Two reliable polls ( Rasmussen predicted as did I Trump winning. You didn’t).

More gas-lighting.

The final average of all polls was Hillary +3.3%. Ras had it Hillary by a little under 2%. Final tally was Hillary +2.1%. All basically within the margin of error. If you have evidence that your favorite pollster Ras called the EC correctly, please share. I'm not seeing that.

FYI, Ras was the least accurate pollster for the 2018 election.

Rasmussen's final poll was the least accurate of any of the 32 polls. They had the Republicans ahead nationally by one point. Democrats are currently winning the national House vote by 8.6 points. That's an error of nearly 10 points.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/08/politics ... index.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -5952.html

NYT/CNN : 92 percent chance of Hillary winning. Yet you still site fake news polls? Talk about gaslighting

She lost three states (MI, PA, WI) where the margin of victory was all a tiny fraction of a percent. That got Trump the win even though the likelihood was only 8 percent for him. And that is how odds work - there is absolutely no inconsistency with saying 92% chance of winning and not having the win - just very unlikely. And Trump needed to cheat and had extra help to do so: Russian interference and feeding of information to Wikileaks for timed release to distract from the "grab them by the **y" tape, and Comey with his ill timed letter about the "emails" that was quite uncalled for just before the election; plus the presence of two third party candidates that took more votes away from Clinton than Trump. So not gaslighting. Just facts.

But even Ras has Trump underwater by 11% in their most recent poll of likely voters...

You can’t just admit how wrong you are?? Why can’t you admit that Trump was a lot better candidate than Hillary?

Back to the Russian hoax. Dear lord. How many hoaxes are we at now? 10? Trump won the electoral college with help from the great American voting public. Democrats are the party of voter fraud and the dead voting. Republicans are not. Democrats have to cheat, lie and steal to win elections because their policies are garbage and socialist. Oh you also need to lie to minorities to keep them on the Democrat plantation.

[Bandito]

538/Nate Silver gave Trump a 28.6% chance to win the election. And almost no chance of winning the popular vote (which was correct). An upset, but not a lightning bolt or meteor strike. 29% events happen all the time.

Even though the odds would still be against, we'd all def buy a Powerball ticket (and start shopping for boats and Ferraris) if you told us we had a 29% chance of winning. That's how probabilities work.

Silver has hardly ever been right. Why do you insist on getting your information from fake news? Did you cry the morning after??

[ggait]

FYI, in 2018 538/Silver gave the Dems an 87.9% chance of re-taking the House.

Most likely number of D pick up seats was 39; actual was 41.

Popular vote margin was d +9.2%. Actual was 8.6%.

Keep hiding inside your safe space Bandito! It is vewy scawy out there.

[RedFromMI]

I Was ‘Sucked Into’ Giuliani’s Hunt For Biden Dirt ‘Without My Will,’ Oligarch Claims

From TPM:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/i-wa ... rch-claims

Bag man Giuliani sent bag man Parnas to Firtash, fighting extradition for fraud to US (from Austria) and suggested he hire two Trump friendly (and frequent Fox contributors) to represent him. Said attorneys, former Fed prosecutors Toensing and diGenova, were interested in digging up Biden/Ukraine meddled dirt...

The universe of who is in on this rat**kery just keeps getting bigger

[CU88]

Since Benjamin Netanyahu has now been INDICTED for corruption and bribery, I am expecting o d to tweet that he will be holding up all of the $4 billion in aid we provide Isreal annually?

When will the r's and Rudy Colludy demand investigations?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Since Benjamin Netanyahu has now been INDICTED for corruption and bribery, I am expecting o d to tweet that he will be holding up all of the $4 billion in aid we provide Isreal annually?

When will the r's and Rudy Colludy demand investigations?

Absolutely. It is only the right thing to do. Since everything falls to Trump under his watch. He wants to make sure there is no governmental corruption. I am sure Israel will understand.

[MDlaxfan76]

sheesh, fatty, I can't even follow this rambling around. not many are surprised by this statement......

Please don't mis-characterize my views. OK. please stop doing the same of others: for others.

In no way am I being insulting to Vietnam vets nor vets of all sorts of other combat before or since. Nor those currently serving. Just ignoring where OTHER people, like myself or randy rady of Sotheby's Saltyness, may get their opinions from. experiences you , just ignore. got it.

Here's what history tells us about 'isolationism' being the prevailing political perspective.
War comes to us. When has this happened, since the 1800's, has ANY war come to us? please don't say Pearl Harbor. It was NOT part of "us".

We don't need to be spoiling for a hot war fight all around the world as the only alternative to isolationism.
It's needn't be a black-white choice. and yet, you follow this no duh comment with this

Active engagement, primarily with soft power, is greatly to be preferred over combat.
But if combat is ever necessary (and sometimes that is the case), better to be limited and overseas than here at home. Can you list 3 times that combat was necessary, in , say, south america, that resulted in US deaths, that was "sometimes, necessarysilly" Top of head, no wiki-ing

I'm not following you down this rabbit hole, fatty.

On your or anyone else's experiences, I'm not ignoring them, I'm just asking that they be detailed and explained as to how they bring one to the conclusions one reaches. I'm very willing to accept that someone else's experiences, not just opinions, may be quite different from my own, indeed that's the point of the discussion.

But just waving one's hands isn't illuminating.

[MDlaxfan76]

So I thought Trump was going to be impeached? I thought it was a done deal? What happened ?? Why hasn’t he been impeached yet?!?!?! What’s wrong with Botox Nancy? I’m a nervous wreck over here!!! Come on guys!!! What happened? Why isn’t he impeached?!?!?! Someone tell me!

I thought you all said those witnesses actually witnessed something?! Are you telling me they lied as did you all? Come on, just impeach the MFer as Rashida Tlaib said! Why Can’t you just impeach the MFer already?!?

They have not even written the summary report (from the Intelligence Committee) and sent it to the Judiciary Committee. They would not be expected to have a "vote" on impeachment of the full House until much closer to Christmas at the earliest. You seem to get quite overworked by your fake news sources!

It's all troll, all the time.
Best ignored, but ahh well.

[admin]

Tough to call a penalty on a post-er who is calling another post-er a name when the latter post-er spends a lot of energy calling other post-ers, including the former post-er, names. With this said... Fellas, discuss issues, not post-ers. "I disagree. I believe that..." is just as easy if not easier than "Moron, I disagree. I believe that...".

[CU88]

A pretty clean and understandable article

Some Relevant Points of Law on Impeachment

https://www.lawfareblog.com/some-releva ... mpeachment

[RedFromMI]

Rudes in for a rude awakening?

https://t.co/VIrhvzYAmi

Christina Wilkie from CNBC.com on Twitter about the story:

Potential charges under consideration: Obstruction of justice, money laundering, conspiracy to defraud the US, making false statements to feds, failure to register as a foreign agent, hiding foreign campaign donations, straw man campaign donations, mail fraud and wire fraud.

Wow

Story is about a wide range of issued subpoenas...

[Typical Lax Dad]

Rudes in for a rude awakening?

https://t.co/VIrhvzYAmi

Christina Wilkie from CNBC.com on Twitter about the story:

Potential charges under consideration: Obstruction of justice, money laundering, conspiracy to defraud the US, making false statements to feds, failure to register as a foreign agent, hiding foreign campaign donations, straw man campaign donations, mail fraud and wire fraud.

Wow

Story is about a wide range of issued subpoenas...

Prison is going to be hard on Rudy....I hope he has to re-use his depends!

[ABV 8.3%]

Tough to call a penalty on a post-er who is calling another post-er a name when the latter post-er spends a lot of energy calling other post-ers, including the former post-er, names. With this said... Fellas, discuss issues, not post-ers. "I disagree. I believe that..." is just as easy if not easier than "Moron, I disagree. I believe that...".

come on.....even guys that fought the Hanson brothers got sent to the box. It's the opposite of tough....

"....putting on the foil...."