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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:58 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:42 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:03 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:58 am
old salt wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:37 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:50 pm Also on the Nunes front:

Dem Leader Says It’s ‘Quite Likely’ Nunes Will Be Investigated For Potential Ethics Violation[/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/top- ... -violation

Nunes should use Schiff's sources :


None of the usual suspects here say diddly squat about the forehead going trolling for those pictures of the naked Trump. Why don't any of you FLP mini foreheads have anything to say about the foreheads attempt at digging up dirt? I can't wait for the forehead to be called as a witness for the impeachment trial. The forehead has a lot of splainin to do himself. To those of you folks out there reading my thoughts with righteous indignation flowing through your brains... your dumbass party handed this live hand grenade over to the forehead to try and figure out how to pull the pin and throw it. The forehead has created more problems via his own stupidity than he can solve. The only practical solution for the forehead is to jump on the grenade and take one for the team. Nancy Pelosi tried to enlighten him about the can of worms he was opening up. The forehead did not want to hear it. In the words of Forrest Gumps momma... stupid is as stupid does. There is not even an exception if you are a supposedly brilliant ivy league lawyer.


Yeah...Nunes said so:

“Before agreeing to take the call, and immediately following it, the committee informed appropriate law-enforcement and security personnel of the conversation, and of our belief that it was probably bogus,” a spokesman for Schiff told The Atlantic.


Why take a bogus call in the first place? The foreheads excitement at thinking he had dug up some dirt made him take all leave of common sense. When you know you are being punked there is this option on all phones that give you the option to hang up. The forehead chose to ignore this option in the hope of... digging up dirt with those photos of the naked trump. I bet the forehead was wiping saliva from his chin during the entire conversation.


Who knows.... it’s like the phone calls I get from Nigerians. Sometimes I engage them for the hell of it.


I hear you... sometimes I do the same thing. My favorite thing to do is sound like I am interested then leave the phone on the counter. Always fun to see how long they will hand on the line.
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There are many naked Trump photos online, of Melania.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:50 am Just a hunch, but it's quite possible that Salty was at some point 'hurt' by the professionals in government, whether military or otherwise.

The antipathy and disdain is quite striking, otherwise.
Hah, hah. Nice try, what a sleazy troll move, baiting with unfounded innuendo. No shame.
You could not be more wrong. From a personal perspective, I have no complaints or grievances.
I was, more often than I enjoyed, required to make judgments & participate in proceedings which "hurt" others.
IMHO -- The UCMJ & military justice system is superior to it's civilian counterpart, until a case becomes politicized.
I was stationed at ground zero of the Tailhook scandal. I knew & worked with many of the people most impacted.
I was not involved nor impacted, but I witnessed the abuses of the process by NCIS, JAG & the Chain of Command which result when a political imperative drives the process. Many fine officers who were not involved had their careers ruined or shortened.
It devastated the Navy officer corps, turning warfare communities against one another, ultimately resulting in a CNO committing suicide.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontlin ... webb1.html
The SEAL community is currently enduring a similar political & media driven purge. They deserve better.
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Am glad you responded, salty.
You were way, way, wayyyyyyyyyyyy out of line with that comment, MDlax.
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Bandito wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:45 am Polls have now turned very strongly against Impeachment, especially in swing states. 75% to 25%. Thank you!

-President Donald Trump.

Moron Dems have no chance in 2020. Losers
Bandito, stop with the personal attacks. Focus on the topic, not the people discussing the topic.
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Trinity wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:42 pm There are many naked Trump photos online, of Melania.
Wrong naked Trump..
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DMac wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:54 pm Am glad you responded, salty.
You were way, way, wayyyyyyyyyyyy out of line with that comment, MDlax.
Maybe MD will have to eat humble pie and have to apologize. :o
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This just in:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

"A confidential White House review of President Trump’s decision to place a hold on military aid to Ukraine has turned up hundreds of documents that reveal extensive efforts to generate an after-the-fact justification for the decision and a debate over whether the delay was legal, according to three people familiar with the records.

The research by the White House Counsel’s Office, which was triggered by a congressional impeachment inquiry announced in September, includes early August email exchanges between acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and White House budget officials seeking to provide an explanation for withholding the funds after President Trump had already ordered a hold in mid-July on the nearly $400 million in security assistance, according to the three people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal White House deliberations.

One person briefed on the records examination said White House lawyers are expressing concern that the review has turned up some unflattering exchanges and facts that could at a minimum embarrass the president. It’s unclear if the Mulvaney discussions or other records pose any legal problems for Trump in the impeachment inquiry, but some fear they could pose political problems if revealed publicly.

People familiar with the Office of Budget and Management’s handling of the holdup in aid acknowledged the internal discussions going on during August, but characterized the conversations as calm, routine and focused on the legal question of how to comply with the congressional Budget and Impoundment Act, which requires the executive branch to spend congressionally appropriated funds unless Congress agrees they can be rescinded.

“There was a legal consensus at every step of the way that the money could be withheld to conduct the policy review,” said OMB spokeswoman Rachel K. Semmel. “OMB works closely with agencies on executing the budget. Routine practices and procedures were followed, not scrambling.”

The hold on the military aid is at the heart of House Democrats’ investigation into whether the president should be removed from office for allegedly trying to pressure Ukraine into investigating his political rivals in exchange for the U.S. support that President Volodymyr Zelensky desperately wanted in the face of Russian military aggression.

In the early August email exchanges, Mulvaney asked acting Office of Management and Budget director Russell Vought for an update on the legal rationale for withholding the aid and how much longer it could be delayed. Trump had made the decision the prior month without an assessment of the reasoning or legal justification, according to two White House officials. Emails show Vought and OMB staffers arguing that withholding aid was legal, while officials at the National Security Council and State Department protested. OMB lawyers said that it was legal to withhold the aid, as long as they deemed it a “temporary” hold, according to people familiar with the review.

A senior budget lawyer crafted a memo on July 25 that defended the hold for at least a short period of time, an administration official said.

Mulvaney’s request for information came days after the White House Counsel’s Office was put on notice that an anonymous CIA official had made a complaint to the agency’s general counsel about Trump’s July 25 call to Zelensky during which he requested Ukraine investigate former vice president Joe Biden and his son, Hunter, as well as an unfounded theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

This official would later file a whistleblower complaint with the intelligence community’s inspector general, which ignited the impeachment push when its existence became public.

The White House released the funds to Ukraine on Sept. 11. The timing has drawn scrutiny because it came two days after the House announced it was launching an inquiry into the whistleblower complaint, which raised concerns about the call and whether the president was using his public office for personal political gain.

Trump has acknowledged ordering the hold on military aid and also pressing Ukraine’s president to investigate his potential Democratic presidential opponent, Joe Biden, but said the release of the funds was not conditioned on Ukraine launching any investigations.

The office of White House Counsel Pat Cipollone oversaw the records review. The White House press office and the White House Counsel’s Office did not respond to requests for comment. Mulvaney’s lawyer, Robert Driscoll, declined to comment.

The document research has only exacerbated growing tension between Cipollone and Mulvaney and their offices, with Cipollone tightly controlling access to his findings, and Mulvaney’s aides complaining Cipollone isn’t briefing other White House officials or sharing important material they need to respond to public inquiries, according to people familiar with their relationship.

Mulvaney is a critical player in the Ukraine saga, as he has acknowledged that he asked OMB to block the release of congressionally-approved aid to Ukraine — at the president’s request — in early to mid-July of 2019.

The emails revealed by White House lawyers include some in which Mulvaney urges Vought to immediately focus on Ukraine’s aid package, making clear it was a top priority for the administration.

The legal office launched this fact-finding review of internal records in a protective mode, both to determine what the records might reveal about internal administration conversations and also to help the White House produce a timeline for defending Trump’s decision and his public comments. Along with examining documents, the review has also involved interviewing some key White House officials involved in handling Ukraine aid and dealing with complaints and concerns in the aftermath of the call between Trump and Zelensky.

Cipollone’s office has focused closely on correspondence that could be subject to public records requests, those which involve discussions between staff at the White House and at other agencies. Internal White House records are not subject to federal public records law but messages that include officials at federal agencies are.

Also included in the review are email conversations between OMB and State Department officials and others discussing why the White House was holding up nearly $400 million in military aid and whether the hold might violate the law, one person said. In December 2018, months before the Ukraine issue surfaced as a top priority for the president, the Government Accountability Office had warned OMB it was not following the law in how it chose to disburse and withhold congressionally-approved funds.

Cipollone has told House impeachment investigators that the White House will not cooperate in with the inquiry in any way, including by greenlighting witnesses or turning over documents.

While some officials from the departments of State and Defense have testified publicly about their concerns over whether the administration was seeking to leverage the aid and a White House visit for the political investigations, only one OMB official has appeared before the congressional committees.

Mark Sandy, a career OMB official, has testified that the decision to delay aid to Ukraine was highly unusual, and senior political appointees in his office wanted to be involved in reviewing the aid package. Sandy testified that he had never in his career seen a senior political OMB official assume control of a portfolio in such a fashion, according to the people familiar with his testimony.

Sandy told impeachment investigators he had questions about whether it was legal to withhold aid Congress had expressly authorized to help Ukraine defend itself from Russia, but OMB lawyers told him it was fine as long as they called it a “temporary” hold, according to a person familiar with Sandy’s account. Sandy, the deputy associate director for national security programs at OMB, signed formal letters to freeze the funds, but top political appointees were unable to provide him with an explanation for the delay."
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These Trumpists do you realize, I assume, that all of these White House records will be able to be reviewed by the next Democratic administration, which could begin as soon as the afternoon of January 20, 2021.
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Get used to the word “tranche.” Pompeo needs to resign. What. A. Dirtbag.
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ABV 8.3% wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:07 pm
Bandito wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:45 am Polls have now turned very strongly against Impeachment, especially in swing states. 75% to 25%. Thank you!

-President Donald Trump.

Moron Dems have no chance in 2020. Losers
why do you hate so many of your fellow Americans? Obama bought a house on the Vineyard for only $8 million. Isn't THAT winning?
Obama caused racial division that Trump is having to mend. Black approval rating at 34% now. Obama was a horrible president who put the world first, America last. Trump has reversed course and now Obama has zero legacy. Zilch. Nada. Enjoy Trump as your President through 2024
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All this treasoning for a announcement of an investigation. Not a real one. Trump’s some deal maker.
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Bandito wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:50 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:07 pm
Bandito wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:45 am Polls have now turned very strongly against Impeachment, especially in swing states. 75% to 25%. Thank you!

-President Donald Trump.

Moron Dems have no chance in 2020. Losers
why do you hate so many of your fellow Americans? Obama bought a house on the Vineyard for only $8 million. Isn't THAT winning?
Obama caused racial division that Trump is having to mend. Black approval rating at 34% now. Obama was a horrible president who put the world first, America last. Trump has reversed course and now Obama has zero legacy. Zilch. Nada. Enjoy Trump as your President through 2024
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling ... trump.aspx
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More and more it seems polls are proving immeasurable ambiguity.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:07 pm
Bandito wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:50 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:07 pm
Bandito wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:45 am Polls have now turned very strongly against Impeachment, especially in swing states. 75% to 25%. Thank you!

-President Donald Trump.

Moron Dems have no chance in 2020. Losers
why do you hate so many of your fellow Americans? Obama bought a house on the Vineyard for only $8 million. Isn't THAT winning?
Obama caused racial division that Trump is having to mend. Black approval rating at 34% now. Obama was a horrible president who put the world first, America last. Trump has reversed course and now Obama has zero legacy. Zilch. Nada. Enjoy Trump as your President through 2024
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling ... trump.aspx
Rasmussen nailed 2016 election. As did I. You didn’t nor did your fake news following pollsters. Whatever helps you sleep At night. Facts are important. Try being factual
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Biden crime syndicate with Don Lemon, Graham is on notice: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5RQZgTnl7L ... 0i5aaahdyc
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old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:44 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:50 am Just a hunch, but it's quite possible that Salty was at some point 'hurt' by the professionals in government, whether military or otherwise.

The antipathy and disdain is quite striking, otherwise.
Hah, hah. Nice try, what a sleazy troll move, baiting with unfounded innuendo. No shame.
You could not be more wrong. From a personal perspective, I have no complaints or grievances.
I was, more often than I enjoyed, required to make judgments & participate in proceedings which "hurt" others.
IMHO -- The UCMJ & military justice system is superior to it's civilian counterpart, until a case becomes politicized.
I was stationed at ground zero of the Tailhook scandal. I knew & worked with many of the people most impacted.
I was not involved nor impacted, but I witnessed the abuses of the process by NCIS, JAG & the Chain of Command which result when a political imperative drives the process. Many fine officers who were not involved had their careers ruined or shortened.
It devastated the Navy officer corps, turning warfare communities against one another, ultimately resulting in a CNO committing suicide.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontlin ... webb1.html
The SEAL community is currently enduring a similar political & media driven purge. They deserve better.
I've asked repeatedly for you to share what your experiences in the service were which led you to your pro-Russia, isolationist views, and your antipathy for career IC and foreign service pros.

You chose not to respond, but this one does reveal a little bit.
Your buddies were damaged by the Tailhook scandal repercussions, but not you?
It was "politicized"???
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:28 pm
DMac wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:54 pm Am glad you responded, salty.
You were way, way, wayyyyyyyyyyyy out of line with that comment, MDlax.
Maybe MD will have to eat humble pie and have to apologize. :o
First time for everything...
I dunno guys, I'd really like to understand what it was in salty's experience that has him hold career IC and foreign service folks in such low regard...if it's not as I suggested is possible, he's free to explain. Same for his pro-Russia isolationism.

His most recent reference to Tailhook may well be an interesting clue to his perspective.
But there may well be something else too.
I definitely don't know, but there's something.

Not sure why you think that question is out of line, DMac.

cradle, I've apologized before on these threads, may well need to do again in the future, and certainly have agreed that I've been wrong multiple times.

No sweat there.

But so far, I see nothing in Salty's responses that suggest to me that my 'hunch' isn't appropriate.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:34 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:28 pm
DMac wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:54 pm Am glad you responded, salty.
You were way, way, wayyyyyyyyyyyy out of line with that comment, MDlax.
Maybe MD will have to eat humble pie and have to apologize. :o
First time for everything...
I dunno guys, I'd really like to understand what it was in salty's experience that has him hold career IC and foreign service folks in such low regard...if it's not as I suggested is possible, he's free to explain. Same for his pro-Russia isolationism.

His most recent reference to Tailhook may well be an interesting clue to his perspective.
But there may well be something else too.
I definitely don't know, but there's something.

Not sure why you think that question is out of line, DMac.

cradle, I've apologized before on these threads, may well need to do again in the future, and certainly have agreed that I've been wrong multiple times.

No sweat there.

But so far, I see nothing in Salty's responses that suggest to me that my 'hunch' isn't appropriate.
.:lol:. ...sure thing. I should give you more personal info, so you can use it to smear me & distort or minimize everything I post.

Keep trolling. ...or read the entire interview with Jim Webb which I linked.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontlin ... webb1.html
It will give you some insight into the perspective of those who serve & you'll see that I'm no outlier.
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