Trump's Russian Collusion

[Typical Lax Dad]

Is this the same Leshchenko that Amb Masha & Schiff claim is too corrupt to talk to Rudy ?
What a bucket of eyewash.

As Cooper testified, there were a couple of ways to legally pause the aid. Trump didn't follow those, of course. Instead he just ready fire aimed it with Rudy. Which was illegal.

I thought I read that this ain’t a legal proceeding?

[RedFromMI]

yeah, RED, we try to read these stories in more normal, well respected "news" outlets.....but they just don't seem to cover many of these types of stories.

Maybe because there is really nothing there...

what does this even mean........nothing there?

How about this concerning the story you referenced - a clarification to what was actually published, and _why_ it was misleading:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/s ... a-n1087511

[DMac]

Forget where I heard it:

"There's a tradition of adding -gate onto scandals. What would you call this one?"

"Stupid Watergate"

Masturgate.
The fingering the crook(s) hearings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgSGbHuItPw

[Typical Lax Dad]

yeah, RED, we try to read these stories in more normal, well respected "news" outlets.....but they just don't seem to cover many of these types of stories.

Maybe because there is really nothing there...

what does this even mean........nothing there?

How about this concerning the story you referenced - a clarification to what was actually published, and _why_ it was misleading:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/s ... a-n1087511

YA posted a link to that tripe earlier today.

[old salt]

Is this the same Lutsenko that Amb Masha & Schiff claim is too corrupt to talk to Rudy ?
What a bucket of eyewash.

As Cooper testified, there were a couple of ways to legally pause the aid. Trump didn't follow those, of course. Instead he just ready fire aimed it with Rudy. Which was illegal.

You're avoiding my point. The narrative being spun is that everything & everyone in Ukraine, before Zelensky & his reformers took over, was too corrupt to trust. Biden's QPQ was to fire PG Shokin or he'd withhold loan guarantees. Amb Masha + Schiff now say PG Lutsenko is too corrupt to believe anything he told Rudy, yet it's the same govt that Cooper testified was certified by the "interagency process" as corruption free enough to receive another annual large tranche of lethal military aid.

Even if Poroshenko had been re-elected, & Lutsenko & their corrupt cronies remained in office, the vaunted "interagency process" still certified them to receive the aid. How corruption free were they in 2017, when Trump ok'd the first large tranche of lethal military aid, the one which included the Javelins ?

The Deep State's interagency process is rigged to ensure Ukraine gets lethal military aid, no matter what.
Even if it requires abusing the whistleblower process to intimidate a recalcitrant President with impeachment theatre.
Don't buck the IC, they've got 6 ways from Sun to screw you.

[a fan]

Doesn't track, old salt.

Most countries that receive aid from the US are corrupt.

How many pallets of cash did we "lose" in Iraq, for example?

Congress doesn't care. It's not their money.

[ABV 8.3%]

yeah, RED, we try to read these stories in more normal, well respected "news" outlets.....but they just don't seem to cover many of these types of stories.

Maybe because there is really nothing there...

what does this even mean........nothing there?

How about this concerning the story you referenced - a clarification to what was actually published, and _why_ it was misleading:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/s ... a-n1087511

Stay focused. This story has nothing to do with that story.

"thousands of tweets and re=tweets " ???????? oh really....the NBC article just decided to NOT include one of them..........

......and you people fall for this stuff. Constantly.

[old salt]

More on the supposedly corrupt former Prosecutor Lutsenko, who Schiff & Amb Masha keep referring to :

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/time ... rainegate/
May 13, 2016— Biden speaks with Poroshenko to commend the appointment of Lutsenko and the creation of an inspector general for the PGO, and informed the Ukrainian President that the U.S. would finally sign the $1 billion loan guarantee program. The guarantee was signed on June 3, with Ambassador Pyatt representing the United States.

[DocBarrister]

Is this the same Lutsenko that Amb Masha & Schiff claim is too corrupt to talk to Rudy ?
What a bucket of eyewash.

As Cooper testified, there were a couple of ways to legally pause the aid. Trump didn't follow those, of course. Instead he just ready fire aimed it with Rudy. Which was illegal.

You're avoiding my point. The narrative being spun is that everything & everyone in Ukraine, before Zelensky & his reformers took over, was too corrupt to trust. Biden's QPQ was to fire PG Shokin or he'd withhold loan guarantees. Amb Masha + Schiff now say PG Lutsenko is too corrupt to believe anything he told Rudy, yet it's the same govt that Cooper testified was certified by the "interagency process" as corruption free enough to receive another annual large tranche of lethal military aid.

Even if Poroshenko had been re-elected, & Lutsenko & their corrupt cronies remained in office, the vaunted "interagency process" still certified them to receive the aid. How corruption free were they in 2017, when Trump ok'd the first large tranche of lethal military aid, the one which included the Javelins ?

The Deep State's interagency process is rigged to ensure Ukraine gets lethal military aid, no matter what.
Even if it requires abusing the whistleblower process to intimidate a recalcitrant President with impeachment theatre.
Don't buck the IC, they've got 6 ways from Sun to screw you.

If you really believe that the most corrupt president in U.S. history is concerned at all about corruption in Ukraine, then you truly do have a delusional perspective.

The facts are simple: Trump, Pence, Pompeio, Mulvaney, Perry, and Giuliani conspired to extort a sham investigation of the Bidens (a bribe) from the government of Ukraine, using a visit to the White House and $391 million in military aid as leverage. They all broke the law. They all should resign. They all should be charged and tried for their crimes.

Your continued defense of the most corrupt president and administration in American history is both repugnant and shameful.

DocBarrister

[old salt]

Is this the same Lutsenko that Amb Masha & Schiff claim is too corrupt to talk to Rudy ?
What a bucket of eyewash.

As Cooper testified, there were a couple of ways to legally pause the aid. Trump didn't follow those, of course. Instead he just ready fire aimed it with Rudy. Which was illegal.

You're avoiding my point. The narrative being spun is that everything & everyone in Ukraine, before Zelensky & his reformers took over, was too corrupt to trust. Biden's QPQ was to fire PG Shokin or he'd withhold loan guarantees. Amb Masha + Schiff now say PG Lutsenko is too corrupt to believe anything he told Rudy, yet it's the same govt that Cooper testified was certified by the "interagency process" as corruption free enough to receive another annual large tranche of lethal military aid.

Even if Poroshenko had been re-elected, & Lutsenko & their corrupt cronies remained in office, the vaunted "interagency process" still certified them to receive the aid. How corruption free were they in 2017, when Trump ok'd the first large tranche of lethal military aid, the one which included the Javelins ?

The Deep State's interagency process is rigged to ensure Ukraine gets lethal military aid, no matter what.
Even if it requires abusing the whistleblower process to intimidate a recalcitrant President with impeachment theatre.
Don't buck the IC, they've got 6 ways from Sun to screw you.

If you really believe that the most corrupt president in U.S. history is concerned at all about corruption in Ukraine, then you truly do have a delusional perspective.

The facts are simple: Trump, Pence, Pompeio, Mulvaney, Perry, and Giuliani conspired to extort a sham investigation of the Bidens (a bribe) from the government of Ukraine, using a visit to the White House and $391 million in military aid as leverage. They all broke the law. They all should resign. They all should be charged and tried for their crimes.

Your continued defense of the most corrupt president and administration in American history is both repugnant and shameful.

DocBarrister

Ukraine got the $391 million -- & Ms Cooper confirmed it was all obligated by the end of the FY & there will be no delay in Ukraine receiving their military wish list. (...so much for the canard of Ukrainian casualties resulting from the delay).

Now let's see what the new & improved Ukraine 4.0"s hard charging, anti-corruption Prosecutor General comes up with re. Burisma, the Biden's, Archer, Kerry & Nuland. If there's nothing to it, the new PG should give Uncle Joe a clean bill of health in time for the Iowa caucuses.
Give Zelensky a chance to demonstrate his anti-corruption bona fides. What are you afraid of finding out ?

[DocBarrister]

Is this the same Lutsenko that Amb Masha & Schiff claim is too corrupt to talk to Rudy ?
What a bucket of eyewash.

As Cooper testified, there were a couple of ways to legally pause the aid. Trump didn't follow those, of course. Instead he just ready fire aimed it with Rudy. Which was illegal.

You're avoiding my point. The narrative being spun is that everything & everyone in Ukraine, before Zelensky & his reformers took over, was too corrupt to trust. Biden's QPQ was to fire PG Shokin or he'd withhold loan guarantees. Amb Masha + Schiff now say PG Lutsenko is too corrupt to believe anything he told Rudy, yet it's the same govt that Cooper testified was certified by the "interagency process" as corruption free enough to receive another annual large tranche of lethal military aid.

Even if Poroshenko had been re-elected, & Lutsenko & their corrupt cronies remained in office, the vaunted "interagency process" still certified them to receive the aid. How corruption free were they in 2017, when Trump ok'd the first large tranche of lethal military aid, the one which included the Javelins ?

The Deep State's interagency process is rigged to ensure Ukraine gets lethal military aid, no matter what.
Even if it requires abusing the whistleblower process to intimidate a recalcitrant President with impeachment theatre.
Don't buck the IC, they've got 6 ways from Sun to screw you.

If you really believe that the most corrupt president in U.S. history is concerned at all about corruption in Ukraine, then you truly do have a delusional perspective.

The facts are simple: Trump, Pence, Pompeio, Mulvaney, Perry, and Giuliani conspired to extort a sham investigation of the Bidens (a bribe) from the government of Ukraine, using a visit to the White House and $391 million in military aid as leverage. They all broke the law. They all should resign. They all should be charged and tried for their crimes.

Your continued defense of the most corrupt president and administration in American history is both repugnant and shameful.

DocBarrister

Ukraine got the $391 million -- & Ms Cooper confirmed it was all obligated by the end of the FY & there will be no delay in Ukraine receiving their military wish list. (...so much for the canard of Ukrainian casualties resulting from the delay).

Now let's see what the new & improved Ukraine 4.0"s hard charging, anti-corruption Prosecutor General comes up with re. Burisma, the Biden's, Archer, Kerry & Nuland. If there's nothing to it, the new PG should give Uncle Joe a clean bill of health in time for the Iowa caucuses.
Give Zelensky a chance to demonstrate his anti-corruption bona fides. What are you afraid of finding out ?

Trump released the military funds on September 11 after his corrupt scheme became public on September 9.

C’mon Trump supporters ... is your support of Trump’s racial animus towards immigrants and ethnic minorities really worth supporting the most corrupt president in American history???

DocBarrister

[jhu72]

Sondland: "Was there a quid pro quo? The answer is yes."

This was his testimony. He repeatedly testified that Zelensky was required to make a "a public announcement" that he was investigating the 2016 election and Burisma/Biden before there would be a White House meeting and the aid was released. I now think Bandito is Kevin McCarthy.

The why does this differ? https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GGYN_nrVl/

Because he bumbled, because he sometimes spoke in connection with a specific call or conversation. I listened to Goldman's entire examination of him. He repeatedly confirmed that the WH meeting and the aid were on ice until President Z made the public statement.

And then there is this: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GYUEWndoD/

Just got real today in Ukraine, story unfolding: https://tass.com/world/1090971

Biden Crime Syndicate in full action: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... million-mp

Good old Tass. Russian propaganda at its best...

.. ...it took only 3 min to dismiss you for citing TASS.
Here's what Reuters is reporting :
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-im ... SKBN1XU2N7
Look's like the new PG is kicking over some rocks.

The AP story is not the same as the Tass and Zerohedge stories. The AP story is old news - that the Ukrainian prosecutor is looking at a number of old cases to reconsider their disposition. Burisma is one of a number and nothing specific about Hunter Biden. The Tass and Zerohedge stories are Trump friendly spin / propaganda.

I have to wonder if the AP story was not in fact an effort to get out the real, old facts, in response to the Russian propaganda.

[jhu72]

yeah, RED, we try to read these stories in more normal, well respected "news" outlets.....but they just don't seem to cover many of these types of stories.

Maybe because there is really nothing there...

what does this even mean........nothing there?

How about this concerning the story you referenced - a clarification to what was actually published, and _why_ it was misleading:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/s ... a-n1087511

According to the NBC story,

ZeroHedge apparently misconstrued the original Russian article from the Interfax-Ukraine News Agency, which did not mention an indictment.

MY FAT AUNT ETHELS ASS! These clowns publish this kind of beans all the time.

[foreverlax]

Ukraine got the $391 million --

Another stupid observation.

What are you afraid of finding out ?

Pretty much all we need to know is now known.

[ABV 8.3%]

The AP story is not the same as the Tass and Zerohedge stories. The AP story is old news - that the Ukrainian prosecutor is looking at a number of old cases to reconsider their disposition. Burisma is one of a number and nothing specific about Hunter Biden. The Tass and Zerohedge stories are Trump friendly spin / propaganda.

I have to wonder if the AP story was not in fact an effort to get out the real, old facts, in response to the Russian propaganda.

Yet another claim.....that will be followed up with "prove me wrong, I don't have to prove I'm right" comment.


You also say this story is OLD.........GREAT.....than you should be able to find many, many, MANY links from your favorite MSM source.

You can start with VOX......move to grey ladies.....try the hill, youtube, huffpost, etc. Any source you want.

we will wait...and wait...and wait.....for something that doesn't exist.

What did redwings call it......not worthy?

[jhu72]

The AP story is not the same as the Tass and Zerohedge stories. The AP story is old news - that the Ukrainian prosecutor is looking at a number of old cases to reconsider their disposition. Burisma is one of a number and nothing specific about Hunter Biden. The Tass and Zerohedge stories are Trump friendly spin / propaganda.

I have to wonder if the AP story was not in fact an effort to get out the real, old facts, in response to the Russian propaganda.

Yet another claim.....that will be followed up with "prove me wrong, I don't have to prove I'm right" comment.


You also say this story is OLD.........GREAT.....than you should be able to find many, many, MANY links from your favorite MSM source.

You can start with VOX......move to grey ladies.....try the hill, youtube, huffpost, etc. Any source you want.

we will wait...and wait...and wait.....for something that doesn't exist.

What did redwings call it......not worthy?

Pay attention to the news. The Ukes announced months ago what they were going to do - reevaluate some old cases. I am not going to search for said stories, you can find them yourself, if you really want to.

[ABV 8.3%]

Yup, a grand total of 6 articles in the Washamazon Post, dating back to Sept. 30, 2019........REAL OLD..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/newssear ... =Relevance

NYTimes ???? A total of TWO articles covering this "story". Latest one Oct. 4th, 2019. Yup.....real, real old

https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=Ruslan+Ryaboshapka



guessing you guys are fixing the whataboutism bayonets to pierce jhu72's argument....................write?

[ABV 8.3%]

The AP story is not the same as the Tass and Zerohedge stories. The AP story is old news - that the Ukrainian prosecutor is looking at a number of old cases to reconsider their disposition. Burisma is one of a number and nothing specific about Hunter Biden. The Tass and Zerohedge stories are Trump friendly spin / propaganda.

I have to wonder if the AP story was not in fact an effort to get out the real, old facts, in response to the Russian propaganda.

Yet another claim.....that will be followed up with "prove me wrong, I don't have to prove I'm right" comment.


You also say this story is OLD.........GREAT.....than you should be able to find many, many, MANY links from your favorite MSM source.

You can start with VOX......move to grey ladies.....try the hill, youtube, huffpost, etc. Any source you want.

we will wait...and wait...and wait.....for something that doesn't exist.

What did redwings call it......not worthy?

Pay attention to the news. The Ukes announced months ago what they were going to do - reevaluate some old cases. I am not going to search for said stories, you can find them yourself, if you really want to.

I just did just that............and Ukraine announcing diggin deeper into Burmisa is less than 24 hours old. So what is YOUR problem with infotainment covering it a little bit ? SHould we discuss click bait on the old guards pathetic websites?

[jhu72]

Yup, a grand total of 6 articles in the Washamazon Post, dating back to Sept. 30, 2019........REAL OLD..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/newssear ... =Relevance

NYTimes ???? A total of TWO articles covering this "story". Latest one Oct. 4th, 2019. Yup.....real, real old

https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=Ruslan+Ryaboshapka



guessing you guys are fixing the whataboutism bayonets to pierce jhu72's argument....................write?

See, that was easy. You could do it if you applied yourself.

[ABV 8.3%]

Yup, a grand total of 6 articles in the Washamazon Post, dating back to Sept. 30, 2019........REAL OLD..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/newssear ... =Relevance

NYTimes ???? A total of TWO articles covering this "story". Latest one Oct. 4th, 2019. Yup.....real, real old

https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=Ruslan+Ryaboshapka



guessing you guys are fixing the whataboutism bayonets to pierce jhu72's argument....................write?

See, that was easy. You could do it if you applied yourself.

Took all of 3 minutes to type the entire post..........now that I have proven that the story IS neither old.....nor relevant.

Come on....how many of the 6 or 9 or us knew Ruslan Ryaboshapka's name prior to the last couple of hours?

JHU72.......why does the coverage of this story bother you so much? Certainly you can answer that.