Trump's Russian Collusion

[ToastDunk]

Here’s a history lesson for you:

For those of you looking for the Cliff's Notes version, here is the answer: Yes, Hitler and the Nazis were socialists, for the simple reasons that they were staunchly anti-capitalist and believed that the means of production in their society should be controlled by a centralized state power. That is very clear from their writings, their words and their actions. Done and done.

So now Nazi Germany was a hug-fest led by socialists, not a dictatorship led by Hitler?

Neat.

Any other brilliant insight from Bandito today?

I need a drink, know where I can get one?

[youthathletics]

With all the chaos that has ensued today where Nunes and Lt. Col. get caught in an impasse on a question he could clearly answer then is afraid to answer, then his attorney and Adam have to intervene....yet again. Jim Jordan nailed it, where he painted the roadmap the democrats have taken dating back to 2016...to include Schiff and the attorneys the WB hired.

Does anyone else see any remote possibility that this exercise is worthy as it relates to the intention of impeachment? I also heard on talk radio, that hte longer this goes on, and if he it makes it to the senate, it could force the D candidates currently holding seats to NOT be allowed to personally campaign...ole' Turtle Mitch could drag it out for a very long time.

[jhu72]

With all the chaos that has ensued today where Nunes and Lt. Col. get caught in an impasse on a question he could clearly answer then is afraid to answer, then his attorney and Adam have to intervene....yet again. Jim Jordan nailed it, where he painted the roadmap the democrats have taken dating back to 2016...to include Schiff and the attorneys the WB hired.

Does anyone else see any remote possibility that this exercise is worthy as it relates to the intention of impeachment? I also heard on talk radio, that hte longer this goes on, and if he it makes it to the senate, it could force the D candidates currently holding seats to NOT be allowed to personally campaign...ole' Turtle Mitch could drag it out for a very long time.

This is going to impeachment no matter how much you dream it won't. Nunes looked the fool disparaging Lt. Col. Vindman. O'Connell would be doing the D's a favor if he drags this out. Joe Biden will thank him.

[youthathletics]

With all the chaos that has ensued today where Nunes and Lt. Col. get caught in an impasse on a question he could clearly answer then is afraid to answer, then his attorney and Adam have to intervene....yet again. Jim Jordan nailed it, where he painted the roadmap the democrats have taken dating back to 2016...to include Schiff and the attorneys the WB hired.

Does anyone else see any remote possibility that this exercise is worthy as it relates to the intention of impeachment? I also heard on talk radio, that hte longer this goes on, and if he it makes it to the senate, it could force the D candidates currently holding seats to NOT be allowed to personally campaign...ole' Turtle Mitch could drag it out for a very long time.

This is going to impeachment no matter how much you dream it won't. Nunes looked the fool disparaging Lt. Col. Vindman. O'Connell would be doing the D's a favor if he drags this out. Joe Biden will thank him.

I could care less if it does, I just personally do not believe that what is going is warranted. Portion in Red....Is that really a good thing in your mind...to have Biden as the candidate?

[Kismet]

With all the chaos that has ensued today where Nunes and Lt. Col. get caught in an impasse on a question he could clearly answer then is afraid to answer, then his attorney and Adam have to intervene....yet again. Jim Jordan nailed it, where he painted the roadmap the democrats have taken dating back to 2016...to include Schiff and the attorneys the WB hired.

Does anyone else see any remote possibility that this exercise is worthy as it relates to the intention of impeachment? I also heard on talk radio, that hte longer this goes on, and if he it makes it to the senate, it could force the D candidates currently holding seats to NOT be allowed to personally campaign...ole' Turtle Mitch could drag it out for a very long time.

This is going to impeachment no matter how much you dream it won't. Nunes looked the fool disparaging Lt. Col. Vindman. O'Connell would be doing the D's a favor if he drags this out. Joe Biden will thank him.

I could care less if it does, I just personally do not believe that what is going is warranted. Portion in Red....Is that really a good thing in your mind...to have Biden as the candidate?

BINGO. Don the Con and his Republican buds got to you already on Biden. Just curious, what was your opinion on Ol' Joe back then on his demand to can to corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor?

[jhu72]

With all the chaos that has ensued today where Nunes and Lt. Col. get caught in an impasse on a question he could clearly answer then is afraid to answer, then his attorney and Adam have to intervene....yet again. Jim Jordan nailed it, where he painted the roadmap the democrats have taken dating back to 2016...to include Schiff and the attorneys the WB hired.

Does anyone else see any remote possibility that this exercise is worthy as it relates to the intention of impeachment? I also heard on talk radio, that hte longer this goes on, and if he it makes it to the senate, it could force the D candidates currently holding seats to NOT be allowed to personally campaign...ole' Turtle Mitch could drag it out for a very long time.

This is going to impeachment no matter how much you dream it won't. Nunes looked the fool disparaging Lt. Col. Vindman. O'Connell would be doing the D's a favor if he drags this out. Joe Biden will thank him.

I could care less if it does, I just personally do not believe that what is going is warranted. Portion in Red....Is that really a good thing in your mind...to have Biden as the candidate?

I really don't care a whole lot who the democrat is. Joe is fine by me. What is more relevant is I believe if O'Connell drags things out, Biden gets an advantage.

[jhu72]

Army considering putting Vindman under witness protection.

[seacoaster]

"Does anyone else see any remote possibility that this exercise is worthy as it relates to the intention of impeachment?"

If by worthy, you mean worth the amount of time and effort that the House is putting into a careful, thorough, if completely hobbled, investigation, yes. This may be the most important thing Congress does in the next decade or so.

Do you folks not understand that nearly everything Nunes and Jordan say and do in connection with this investigation and hearing is irrelevant to the issues under investigation? The toadying to Duce is really off the charts. Defending the indefensible is really hard.

[jhu72]

Reported by Daryna Krasnolutska:

Former Ukrainian national security official Oleksander Danylyuk said he was joking when he offered Vindman a job as Ukraine’s defense minister.
In a telephone interview, Danylyuk said, “It is is important to differentiate serious matter and humor.”

“The ‘offer’ to join Ukrainian government was made in a joking manner, which was clear by the context and tone as a comment that it used to be fashionable to hire expatriates in the government few years ago,” Danylyuk said. “It was clear to me that it was taken by Alex Vindman as a joke.”
Vindman testified earlier Tuesday that he dismissed the offer. He called it “comical” and said he reported the incident to his superiors.

[Typical Lax Dad]

With all the chaos that has ensued today where Nunes and Lt. Col. get caught in an impasse on a question he could clearly answer then is afraid to answer, then his attorney and Adam have to intervene....yet again. Jim Jordan nailed it, where he painted the roadmap the democrats have taken dating back to 2016...to include Schiff and the attorneys the WB hired.

Does anyone else see any remote possibility that this exercise is worthy as it relates to the intention of impeachment? I also heard on talk radio, that hte longer this goes on, and if he it makes it to the senate, it could force the D candidates currently holding seats to NOT be allowed to personally campaign...ole' Turtle Mitch could drag it out for a very long time.

This is going to impeachment no matter how much you dream it won't. Nunes looked the fool disparaging Lt. Col. Vindman. O'Connell would be doing the D's a favor if he drags this out. Joe Biden will thank him.

I could care less if it does, I just personally do not believe that what is going is warranted. Portion in Red....Is that really a good thing in your mind...to have Biden as the candidate?

I really don't care a whole lot who the democrat is. Joe is fine by me. What is more relevant is I believe if O'Connell drags things out, Biden gets an advantage.

If an inanimate object is the Democratic nominee, I am voting for it.

[DMac]

"Does anyone else see any remote possibility that this exercise is worthy as it relates to the intention of impeachment?"

If by worthy, you mean worth the amount of time and effort that the House is putting into a careful, thorough, if completely hobbled, investigation, yes. This may be the most important thing Congress does in the next decade or so.

Do you folks not understand that nearly everything Nunes and Jordan say and do in connection with this investigation and hearing is irrelevant to the issues under investigation? The toadying to Duce is really off the charts. Defending the indefensible is really hard.

I don't know if they do, but I do. I find every person who has been interrogated at the hearings to be honorable and commited to duty and country. At the same time, I find Nunes and Jordan to be dispicible human beings who are commited to a party over country and duty. Yes, these hearings are absolutely worth it.

[youthathletics]

With all the chaos that has ensued today where Nunes and Lt. Col. get caught in an impasse on a question he could clearly answer then is afraid to answer, then his attorney and Adam have to intervene....yet again. Jim Jordan nailed it, where he painted the roadmap the democrats have taken dating back to 2016...to include Schiff and the attorneys the WB hired.

Does anyone else see any remote possibility that this exercise is worthy as it relates to the intention of impeachment? I also heard on talk radio, that hte longer this goes on, and if he it makes it to the senate, it could force the D candidates currently holding seats to NOT be allowed to personally campaign...ole' Turtle Mitch could drag it out for a very long time.

This is going to impeachment no matter how much you dream it won't. Nunes looked the fool disparaging Lt. Col. Vindman. O'Connell would be doing the D's a favor if he drags this out. Joe Biden will thank him.

I could care less if it does, I just personally do not believe that what is going is warranted. Portion in Red....Is that really a good thing in your mind...to have Biden as the candidate?

BINGO. Don the Con and his Republican buds got to you already on Biden. Just curious, what was your opinion on Ol' Joe back then on his demand to can to corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor?

Was not a topic here or discussed at that time on media. I honestly never saw or heard it when it did happen. Frankly, I am fine with what he did....just as I am fine with what trump did.

[Cooter]

I try to ignore political things mostly, but there does seem to be an elephant in the room.

Given that Biden is running for president, I actually think it is in the national interest to know whether Biden had misdoings or not in the Ukraine.

Interesting way of looking at it, Cooter.

So if Obama had called Putin the year before the election, and told him "Vlad, I need you to announce an investigation into Trump".....

....are you telling us you'd think that was ok? No problems with that?

So you are saying it is about announcing an investigation, not really doing one.

No. I'm inserting Obama into Trump's place, and asking you if you're ok with that.

If you prefer: "So if Obama had called Putin the year before the election, and told him "Vlad, I need you to open an investigation into Trump"....."

You ok with that?

Yeah, as long as it's a fair investigation.
Of course, with Putin, I don't think I would trust him very far.

[jhu72]

Judge Jackson to rule on McGahn on Monday. Dems had asked her to expedite this decision.

[youthathletics]

Schiff is pissed that Volker said the investigation discussion was inappropriate, then when Volker explains why, Schiff is pissed again because it does not fit his narrative. He then asks again in a different way...goes on to play the hypothetical.

The left like to completely ignore the fact that Ukraine was corrupt, Ukraine just elected a new President by much more than a majority, The Biden Crime Syndicate was involved with past corrupt Ukraine corruption, Biden son was also involved with past corrupt Ukraine president. God forbid Trump Administration does its due diligence in first, making certain new Ukraine President is trustworthy before we hand them Javelins, AND making certain that IF Biden did do something corrupt it gets shaken out before our US Election. That way he can not be blamed like some of the R's blame Obama for doing nothing on Russia and shipping cash overnight...althgough it was owed cash to Iran.

Time to move on America.

[a fan]

Yeah, as long as it's a fair investigation

To be clear: you're ok with a sitting President using the Executive Branch to open an investigation on a specific political rival during an election year?

So Obama could have had the IRS, the FBI, and the CIA to look into...and this is in no particular order..... Trump, Christie, Fiorina, Santorum, and Paul. Look into what they do domestically, as well as overseas?

And you're telling me, that's fine, so long as it's "a fair investigation".

[jhu72]

Schiff is ticked that Volker said the investigation discussion was inappropriate, then when Volker explains why, Schiff is ticked again because it does not fit his narrative. He then asks again in a different way...goes on to play the hypothetical.

The left like to completely ignore the fact that Ukraine was corrupt, Ukraine just elected a new President by much more than a majority, The Biden Crime Syndicate was involved with past corrupt Ukraine corruption, Biden son was also involved with past corrupt Ukraine president. God forbid Trump Administration does its due diligence in first, making certain new Ukraine President is trustworthy before we hand them Javelins, AND making certain that IF Biden did do something corrupt it gets shaken out before our US Election. That way he can not be blamed like some of the R's blame Obama for doing nothing on Russia and shipping cash overnight...althgough it was owed cash to Iran.

Time to move on America.

[a fan]

God forbid Trump Administration does its due diligence in first, making certain new Ukraine President is trustworthy before we hand them Javelins, AND making certain that IF Biden did do something corrupt it gets shaken out before our US Election. That way he can not be blamed like some of the R's blame Obama for doing nothing on Russia and shipping cash overnight...althgough it was owed cash to Iran.

Let's buy your nonsense for a moment.

If this what you think happened, again: why did Trump and the R's release the funding to Ukraine?

Whoops. Your made up narrative fell apart.

Nice try, though.

BTW, what do you think would happen if you asked anyone involved "what due diligence did you do regarding corruption before you released the money from the hold?"

That's right. They'd answer "nothing".

Just say "I don't care that Trump did this", and spare us the nonsense. I'm fine with that position. But this is the dumbest thing you've ever tried to sell us on-----that Trump is gallantly fighting corruption in the Ukraine, and that's why he did what he did. It's just stupid. No one is buying it.

Least of all....you. You don't believe what you are selling.

[ggait]

making certain that IF Biden did do something corrupt it gets shaken out before our US Election

Why would that be appropriate? Shouldn't that be an RNC oppo research operation rather than a goal of bi-partisanly appropriated tax payer dollars? Why does that have to be shaken out before the 2020 election?

There seemed to be zero interest from Trump or any other part of the govt regarding this during 2017 and 2018 (when Biden was gone, Trump was in office and UK getting aid). There's plenty of corrupt companies in UK beyond Burisma.

But come 2019, the focus is on exactly one UK company beyond all/any others. And in pursuit of that, WH meetings and aide get held up. And the person who was pushing all this on Trump was Rudy (assisted by Igor and Lev). Why didn't any of Trump's nat security types care about this before 2019. It's not like Bolton, Pompeo, Perry, Mulvaney, Tillerson, McMaster, etc. were pinko lefties in the tank for Biden. But no one cares about any of this except for Rudy and Trump. So Rudy is the only smart one out of the whole govt?

GOLDMAN: You would agree, right, that asking a foreign government to investigate a domestic political rival is inappropriate, would you not?
MORRISON: It’s not what we recommended the president discuss.
GOLDMAN: Were these references to Crowdstrike, the server, 2016 election and to [the Bidens], were they included in the president’s talking points?
MORRISON: They were not.
GOLDMAN: And were they consistent with ... official U.S. policy?
MORRISON: I was not aware of much of this.

So it is just a coincidence that the sole company focused on (per Trump and Rudy but which focus no one else shared) beginning in 2019 has a connection to the Dem nomination front runner?

If you really believe that, can I commence bridge sale negotiations with you? Because you seem very trusting...

[youthathletics]

making certain that IF Biden did do something corrupt it gets shaken out before our US Election

Why would that be appropriate? Shouldn't that be an RNC oppo research operation rather than a goal of bi-partisanly appropriated tax payer dollars? Why does that have to be shaken out before the 2020 election?

There seemed to be zero interest from Trump or any other part of the govt regarding this during 2017 and 2018 (when Biden was gone, Trump was in office and UK getting aid). There's plenty of corrupt companies in UK beyond Burisma.

But come 2019, the focus is on exactly one UK company beyond all/any others. And in pursuit of that, WH meetings and aide get held up. And the person who was pushing all this on Trump was Rudy (assisted by Igor and Lev). Why didn't any of Trump's nat security types care about this before 2019. It's not like Bolton, Pompeo, Perry, Mulvaney, Tillerson, McMaster, etc. were pinko lefties in the tank for Biden. But no one cares about any of this except for Rudy and Trump. So Rudy is the only smart one out of the whole govt?

GOLDMAN: You would agree, right, that asking a foreign government to investigate a domestic political rival is inappropriate, would you not?
MORRISON: It’s not what we recommended the president discuss.
GOLDMAN: Were these references to Crowdstrike, the server, 2016 election and to [the Bidens], were they included in the president’s talking points?
MORRISON: They were not.
GOLDMAN: And were they consistent with ... official U.S. policy?
MORRISON: I was not aware of much of this.

So it is just a coincidence that the sole company focused on (per Trump and Rudy but which focus no one else shared) beginning in 2019 has a connection to the Dem nomination front runner?

If you really believe that, can I commence bridge sale negotiations with you? Because you seem very trusting...

You are making my point, as did Volker and Morrison. Their responses on inappropriate had to do with Ukraine Business as they saw it, hence the “eye roll comment by Volker”. Certainly no state policy would involve corruption investigation conversation. Trump was making certain he was just not going to follow same ole same ole policy and business as usual, especially follow 3 plus years of Ukraine crap.