I wouldn’t have a problem with it. You think Trump and Rudy should withhold $40MM in aid and pressure the Ukraine President to read a prepared statement to implicate Hunter and Joe Biden in a corruption scandal with no evidence?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:27 pmDo you guys think NATO membership should be extended to Ukraine, if they clean up their corruption ?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:05 pmWas Rudy Giuliani running point with Lev and his boys on that?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:03 pmHow'd you guys feel about the reset button ?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:00 pmStockholm Syndrome from all that time at sea during the Cold War....or too many viewings of Hunt For Red October.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:36 pmWhy are you always supporting Russia?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:53 pm MDLF76 -- were you this much of a Russia hawk before Trump ?
(1) Were you at all uneasy about the future when the USSR flew apart into a gaggle of new ersatz nations, with no history of independent governance & no democratic tradition or institutions ?
(2) Were you in favor NATO expansion to the borders of Russia ?
(3) Do you support NATO membership for Ukraine & Georgia ?
(4) Did you support Obama's attempts at reset with Russia ?
The Kurds are not our only allies with a stake in Syria.
The Turks have legit issues with the Kurds.
The Kurds are equally responsible for the armed impasse with Turkey.
The Kurds had ample opportunity to reach an accommodation with Turkey,
We did our best to facilitate that accommodation. Some issues are irreconcilable.
The best we can do is try to prevent genocide & restrain ethnic cleansing.
Don't make the perfect the enemy of making the best of a bad situation.
It’s really odd and repugnant.
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JUST the Stolen Documents/Mar-A-Lago/"Judge" Cannon Trial
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The aid was not withheld.
Greetings from our Kurdish allies in Syria.
https://twitter.com/MazloumAbdi/status/ ... 2226955265
Greetings from our Kurdish allies in Syria.
https://twitter.com/MazloumAbdi/status/ ... 2226955265
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Sadold salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:48 pm The aid was not withheld.
Greetings from our Kurdish allies in Syria.
https://twitter.com/MazloumAbdi/status/ ... 2226955265
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I wouldn’t have a problem with it either.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:31 pmI wouldn’t have a problem with it. You think Trump and Rudy should withhold $40MM in aid and pressure the Ukraine President to read a prepared statement to implicate Hunter and Joe Biden in a corruption scandal with no evidence?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:27 pmDo you guys think NATO membership should be extended to Ukraine, if they clean up their corruption ?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:05 pmWas Rudy Giuliani running point with Lev and his boys on that?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:03 pmHow'd you guys feel about the reset button ?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:00 pmStockholm Syndrome from all that time at sea during the Cold War....or too many viewings of Hunt For Red October.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:36 pmWhy are you always supporting Russia?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:53 pm MDLF76 -- were you this much of a Russia hawk before Trump ?
(1) Were you at all uneasy about the future when the USSR flew apart into a gaggle of new ersatz nations, with no history of independent governance & no democratic tradition or institutions ?
(2) Were you in favor NATO expansion to the borders of Russia ?
(3) Do you support NATO membership for Ukraine & Georgia ?
(4) Did you support Obama's attempts at reset with Russia ?
The Kurds are not our only allies with a stake in Syria.
The Turks have legit issues with the Kurds.
The Kurds are equally responsible for the armed impasse with Turkey.
The Kurds had ample opportunity to reach an accommodation with Turkey,
We did our best to facilitate that accommodation. Some issues are irreconcilable.
The best we can do is try to prevent genocide & restrain ethnic cleansing.
Don't make the perfect the enemy of making the best of a bad situation.
It’s really odd and repugnant.
DocBarrister
Besides, there is no major nation on Earth that is more corrupt, diseased, criminal, and repulsive than Putin’s Russia. The Russian “government” is no less than the world’s most powerful criminal cartel, run by a cadre of Russian oligarchs who are intent in sowing chaos in Western democracies and promoting the rise of authoritarian leaders (including Trump) all over the world. They rely on promoting the racist anti-immigrant “nationalism” that is gaining momentum all around in the world, exemplified by the bigotry and racism of Trump’s MAGAts. The Russian criminal cartel lends illicit support to its corrupt, moronic, and racist surrogates all over the world, including the Republican Party in the United States.
The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
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Re: The Politics of National Security
How about -- it's not our fight & none of our business.The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
DocBarrister
Go play with your reset button.
On a related note, Macron declares NATO brain dead without US leadership :
https://apnews.com/935a3b0c820c42bdb948dcdaa39d317e
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But Burisma is?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:54 pmHow about -- it's not our fight & none of our business.The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
DocBarrister
Go play with your reset button.
On a related note, Macron declares NATO brain dead without US leadership :
https://apnews.com/935a3b0c820c42bdb948dcdaa39d317e
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Re: The Politics of National Security
It’s our fight if Russia interferes with our elections and invades a sovereign nation in Europe.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:54 pmHow about, it's not our fight & none of our business.The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
DocBarrister
Go play with your reset button.
On a related note, Macron declares NATO brain dead without US leadership :
And Ukraine is definitely OUR BUSINESS ... that nation shares a border with no fewer than four NATO allies: Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. That’s why no president should screw around with the military security of Ukraine in order to extort the Ukrainian government for their own political benefit.
All of the corrupt, reckless, and moronic things Donald Trump has done doesn’t seem to bother you. But you criticize Hillary Clinton’s good faith attempt at a diplomatic reset with Russia?!?
Your hypocrisy truly is astounding.
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Re: The Politics of National Security
Perhaps our self-admitted brain dead NATO allies could join us in doing something about this :DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:09 pmIt’s our fight if Russia interferes with our elections and invades a sovereign nation in Europe.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:54 pmHow about, it's not our fight & none of our business.The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
DocBarrister
Go play with your reset button.
On a related note, Macron declares NATO brain dead without US leadership :
And Ukraine is definitely OUR BUSINESS ... that nation shares a border with no fewer than four NATO allies: Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. That’s why no president should screw around with the military security of Ukraine in order to extort the Ukrainian government for their own political benefit.
All of the corrupt, reckless, and moronic things Donald Trump has done doesn’t seem to bother you. But you criticize Hillary Clinton’s good faith attempt at a diplomatic reset with Russia?!?
Your hypocrisy truly is astounding.
DocBarrister
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoin ... to-forces/
Re: The Politics of National Security
Yes, if they are buying influence with a key US policy maker.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:02 pmBut Burisma is?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:54 pmHow about -- it's not our fight & none of our business.The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
DocBarrister
Go play with your reset button.
On a related note, Macron declares NATO brain dead without US leadership :
https://apnews.com/935a3b0c820c42bdb948dcdaa39d317e
Re: The Politics of National Security
Surprising praise of Trump's restraint from a former critic :
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/tr ... sses-90516
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/tr ... sses-90516
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Re: The Politics of National Security
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:28 pm Surprising praise of Trump's restraint from a former critic :
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/tr ... sses-90516
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Re: The Politics of National Security
How much lethal military aid did Obama send to Ukraine ?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:09 pmIt’s our fight if Russia interferes with our elections and invades a sovereign nation in Europe.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:54 pmHow about, it's not our fight & none of our business.The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
DocBarrister
Go play with your reset button.
On a related note, Macron declares NATO brain dead without US leadership :
And Ukraine is definitely OUR BUSINESS ... that nation shares a border with no fewer than four NATO allies: Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. That’s why no president should screw around with the military security of Ukraine in order to extort the Ukrainian government for their own political benefit.
All of the corrupt, reckless, and moronic things Donald Trump has done doesn’t seem to bother you. But you criticize Hillary Clinton’s good faith attempt at a diplomatic reset with Russia?!?
Your hypocrisy truly is astounding.
DocBarrister
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Re: The Politics of National Security
Typical ... tactical “warbrain“ thinking on a subject that demands thoughtful strategic analysis.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:40 pmHow much lethal military aid did Obama send to Ukraine ?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:09 pmIt’s our fight if Russia interferes with our elections and invades a sovereign nation in Europe.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:54 pmHow about, it's not our fight & none of our business.The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
DocBarrister
Go play with your reset button.
On a related note, Macron declares NATO brain dead without US leadership :
And Ukraine is definitely OUR BUSINESS ... that nation shares a border with no fewer than four NATO allies: Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. That’s why no president should screw around with the military security of Ukraine in order to extort the Ukrainian government for their own political benefit.
All of the corrupt, reckless, and moronic things Donald Trump has done doesn’t seem to bother you. But you criticize Hillary Clinton’s good faith attempt at a diplomatic reset with Russia?!?
Your hypocrisy truly is astounding.
DocBarrister
The Obama administration provided nearly a billion dollars in non-lethal military aid, including military trainers, and coupled that with sanctions that cost Russia tens of billions of dollars. The tactical decision to provide non-lethal aid served the Obama administration’s strategic goal of de-escalating the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine ... an approach that achieved some success.
Most importantly, Obama never tried to extort the Ukraine government as Trump clearly did.
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Re: The Politics of National Security
Criticizing NATO allies (again) ... just what a Russian mole would do.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:21 pmPerhaps our self-admitted brain dead NATO allies could join us in doing something about this :DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:09 pmIt’s our fight if Russia interferes with our elections and invades a sovereign nation in Europe.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:54 pmHow about, it's not our fight & none of our business.The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
DocBarrister
Go play with your reset button.
On a related note, Macron declares NATO brain dead without US leadership :
And Ukraine is definitely OUR BUSINESS ... that nation shares a border with no fewer than four NATO allies: Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. That’s why no president should screw around with the military security of Ukraine in order to extort the Ukrainian government for their own political benefit.
All of the corrupt, reckless, and moronic things Donald Trump has done doesn’t seem to bother you. But you criticize Hillary Clinton’s good faith attempt at a diplomatic reset with Russia?!?
Your hypocrisy truly is astounding.
DocBarrister
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoin ... to-forces/
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Re: The Politics of National Security
I'm welcoming our NATO allies to join us on the E front. We're all in for the Poles & the Balts.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:20 pmCriticizing NATO allies (again) ... just what a Russian mole would do.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:21 pmPerhaps our self-admitted brain dead NATO allies could join us in doing something about this :DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:09 pmIt’s our fight if Russia interferes with our elections and invades a sovereign nation in Europe.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:54 pmHow about, it's not our fight & none of our business.The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
DocBarrister
Go play with your reset button.
On a related note, Macron declares NATO brain dead without US leadership :
And Ukraine is definitely OUR BUSINESS ... that nation shares a border with no fewer than four NATO allies: Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. That’s why no president should screw around with the military security of Ukraine in order to extort the Ukrainian government for their own political benefit.
All of the corrupt, reckless, and moronic things Donald Trump has done doesn’t seem to bother you. But you criticize Hillary Clinton’s good faith attempt at a diplomatic reset with Russia?!?
Your hypocrisy truly is astounding.
DocBarrister
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoin ... to-forces/
DocBarrister
NATO's largest & wealthiest EU member remains worfully unprepared.
Criticism of NATO laggards is still warranted.
Your sudden hawkishness against Russia smells of political opportunism.
Have you found your souvenir reset button yet ?
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You do understand that there is something very wrong with someone’s perspective when they criticize Hillary Clinton and U.S. allies more than Vladimir Putin and his murderous regime?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:55 pmI'm welcoming our NATO allies to join us on the E front. We're all in for the Poles & the Balts.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:20 pmCriticizing NATO allies (again) ... just what a Russian mole would do.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:21 pmPerhaps our self-admitted brain dead NATO allies could join us in doing something about this :DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:09 pmIt’s our fight if Russia interferes with our elections and invades a sovereign nation in Europe.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:54 pmHow about, it's not our fight & none of our business.The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
DocBarrister
Go play with your reset button.
On a related note, Macron declares NATO brain dead without US leadership :
And Ukraine is definitely OUR BUSINESS ... that nation shares a border with no fewer than four NATO allies: Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. That’s why no president should screw around with the military security of Ukraine in order to extort the Ukrainian government for their own political benefit.
All of the corrupt, reckless, and moronic things Donald Trump has done doesn’t seem to bother you. But you criticize Hillary Clinton’s good faith attempt at a diplomatic reset with Russia?!?
Your hypocrisy truly is astounding.
DocBarrister
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoin ... to-forces/
DocBarrister
NATO's largest & wealthiest EU member remains worfully unprepared.
Criticism of NATO laggards is still warranted.
Your sudden hawkishness against Russia smells of political opportunism.
Have you found your souvenir reset button yet ?
In fact, it’s difficult to recall any criticism from you against Putin and his crime lords. You have never explained that. Never ....
DocBarrister
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Re: The Politics of National Security
Putin's malevolence is a given in every discussion. Selectively whining about it, only when you find it a politically advantageous talking point, then questioning the patriotism of anyone who doesn't join you, demonstrates how phoney you are. I don't recall you coming to Mitt's defense when Obama mocked him for naming Russia as our most dangerous adversary, or questioning Clinton's patriotism when she politically opportunistically offered Putin a reset button, emboldening him to move into Syria, Crimea & the Donbass.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:32 amYou do understand that there is something very wrong with someone’s perspective when they criticize Hillary Clinton and U.S. allies more than Vladimir Putin and his murderous regime?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:55 pmI'm welcoming our NATO allies to join us on the E front. We're all in for the Poles & the Balts.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:20 pmCriticizing NATO allies (again) ... just what a Russian mole would do.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:21 pmPerhaps our self-admitted brain dead NATO allies could join us in doing something about this :DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:09 pmIt’s our fight if Russia interferes with our elections and invades a sovereign nation in Europe.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:54 pmHow about, it's not our fight & none of our business.The fact that you focus on Ukrainian corruption while ignoring the filthy, immoral, and murderous detritus of Russia only reflects your truly distorted, delusional perspective on the world, Old Salt.
DocBarrister
Go play with your reset button.
On a related note, Macron declares NATO brain dead without US leadership :
And Ukraine is definitely OUR BUSINESS ... that nation shares a border with no fewer than four NATO allies: Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. That’s why no president should screw around with the military security of Ukraine in order to extort the Ukrainian government for their own political benefit.
All of the corrupt, reckless, and moronic things Donald Trump has done doesn’t seem to bother you. But you criticize Hillary Clinton’s good faith attempt at a diplomatic reset with Russia?!?
Your hypocrisy truly is astounding.
DocBarrister
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoin ... to-forces/
DocBarrister
NATO's largest & wealthiest EU member remains worfully unprepared.
Criticism of NATO laggards is still warranted.
Your sudden hawkishness against Russia smells of political opportunism.
Have you found your souvenir reset button yet ?
In fact, it’s difficult to recall any criticism from you against Putin and his crime lords. You have never explained that. Never ....
DocBarrister
I offer my opinions as to what motivates Putin & (more importantly) the Russian people & my ideas on how best to contain & deter Putin, while peacefully coexisting with Russia, until Putin passes from the scene, without alienating the Russian people to the point of permanent enmity.
The Cold War was a tremendous victory for the US, NATO & democracy. I don't want to see us fritter it away, for partisan political advantage.
Our slide backward toward Cold War levels of confrontation is alarming, dangerous & tremendously wasteful. Especially when our NATO allies are not willing to join us in our politically motivated escalation. Russia is not (yet) an existential threat to the US, but we're motivating them to become one with a foreign policy that is being used for domestic political score settling.
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Re: The Politics of National Security
Back to RT.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:50 pmSadold salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:48 pm The aid was not withheld.
Greetings from our Kurdish allies in Syria.
https://twitter.com/MazloumAbdi/status/ ... 2226955265
Re: The Politics of National Security
RT ??? Senator McCarthy -- that's a direct link to the twitter feed of the Commander of our SDF allies.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:25 pmBack to RT.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:50 pmSadold salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:48 pm The aid was not withheld.
Greetings from our Kurdish allies in Syria.
https://twitter.com/MazloumAbdi/status/ ... 2226955265
It doesn't get any more unfiltered than that.
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My reference wasn't to that tweet, just the train of posts you've made today...aligning with what we'd hear from RT.old salt wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:31 pmRT ??? Senator McCarthy -- that's a direct link to the twitter feed of the Commander of our SDF allies.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:25 pmBack to RT.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:50 pmSadold salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:48 pm The aid was not withheld.
Greetings from our Kurdish allies in Syria.
https://twitter.com/MazloumAbdi/status/ ... 2226955265
It doesn't get any more unfiltered than that.
I'm confident that you mean well.