JUST the Stolen Documents/Mar-A-Lago/"Judge" Cannon Trial

[holmes435]

https://freebeacon.com/national-securit ... -s-europe/ I was wondering when some of the bad guys would catch on to how vulnerable the nation is here. One bad guy with a zippo could burn half of California in one afternoon. the only question is will there be follow through?

That can't be true...Trump said ISIS is no longer a threat. They are thousands of miles away and are being help captive in Syria.

They can't walk to our country. We have lots of water in between our country and them.

[old salt]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.

What is "winning" in Syria ? Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.
Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

[cradleandshoot]

https://freebeacon.com/national-securit ... -s-europe/ I was wondering when some of the bad guys would catch on to how vulnerable the nation is here. One bad guy with a zippo could burn half of California in one afternoon. the only question is will there be follow through?

That can't be true...Trump said ISIS is no longer a threat. They are thousands of miles away and are being help captive in Syria.

They can't walk to our country. We have lots of water in between our country and them.

All they have to do is get to our southern border and just follow the crowds heading north. It ain't like anyone is going to stop them. Hell bet in a pinch our government will even be kind enough to provide the zippos.

[foreverlax]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.
Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

[old salt]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having),
just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now.

We were never in it, to "win" it. You can't lose what you never had.
We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us).

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage,
which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having),
just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now.

We were never in it, to "win" it. You can't lose what you never had.
We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us).

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage,
which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us.

Coach Sowell should have used that excuse!

[foreverlax]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having), Fine. Delivery matters.

just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now. Disagree....there can be no moaning when Syria, somehow, gets worse, since Vlad has the strings and the Kurds don't trust us. Iran is another example of What the heck is the plan? Can you tell me the situation hasn't deteriorated since he walked from the deal?

We were never in it, to "win" it. Disagree - as the world's cop, we are always in it. You don't want that job, set aside, give it to China and the yuan.

You can't lose what you never had. Bet there are some easy examples of that...like the death of an unborn child.

We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us). Horse Hockey. Trump met with Little Kim...we can be where we want to be.

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage, So again it's selective what falls under AUMF. We don't need their fossil fuels. What is the actual plan here?

which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us. Oh, I see what's happening and globally it's stunning to watch and completely inexplicable, as hard as you try.

[old salt]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having), Fine. Delivery matters.

just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now. Disagree....there can be no moaning when Syria, somehow, gets worse, since Vlad has the strings and the Kurds don't trust us. Iran is another example of What the heck is the plan? Can you tell me the situation hasn't deteriorated since he walked from the deal? Things have gotten worse for Iran, They're running out of money to fund their proxies throughout the region. Massive anti-Iran protests in Iraq. Oil is still flowing out of the Gulf. Other Navies have joined us in keeping the sea lanes open & participating in the largest minesweeping exercise ever conducted.

We were never in it, to "win" it. Disagree - as the world's cop, we are always in it. You don't want that job, set aside, give it to China and the yuan. We're still there to step on IS, keep the sea lanes open, keep the oil flowing & we're still protecting the Kurds. We're just not signing up for an open ended peacekeeping & reconstruction mission in Syria, although we will join NATO & GCC allies if they want to participate.

You can't lose what you never had. Bet there are some easy examples of that...like the death of an unborn child. Syria was a miscarriage before we got involved.

We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us). Horse Hockey. Trump met with Little Kim...we can be where we want to be. During the transition, Flynn was negotiating with Kislyak for a seat at the Astana conf, set to take place in early 2017.

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage, So again it's selective what falls under AUMF. We don't need their fossil fuels. What is the actual plan here? Denying the oil fields to IS falls within the existing AUMF. Read the NPR explainer I linked earlier about the strategic significance of the oil fields. We won't use or profit from the oil, the Kurds will. Those bases are perfectly located as staging points for raiding IS remnants in the lower Euphrates valley.

which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us. Oh, I see what's happening and globally it's stunning to watch and completely inexplicable, as hard as you try. Watch the news on DW & BBC. They get it.

[Trinity]

Volker on his sense of why Bill Taylor was reluctant to serve as acting ambassador to Ukraine: “I think hanging over everyone’s head on the expert community is, is there some grand bargain with Russia where we throw Ukraine under the bus.”

[foreverlax]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having), Fine. Delivery matters.

just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now. Disagree....there can be no moaning when Syria, somehow, gets worse, since Vlad has the strings and the Kurds don't trust us. Iran is another example of What the heck is the plan? Can you tell me the situation hasn't deteriorated since he walked from the deal? Things have gotten worse for Iran, They're running out of money to fund their proxies throughout the region. Massive anti-Iran protests in Iraq. Oil is still flowing out of the Gulf. Other Navies have joined us in keeping the sea lanes open & participating in the largest minesweeping exercise ever conducted.

We were never in it, to "win" it. Disagree - as the world's cop, we are always in it. You don't want that job, set aside, give it to China and the yuan. We're still there to step on IS, keep the sea lanes open, keep the oil flowing & we're still protecting the Kurds. We're just not signing up for an open ended peacekeeping & reconstruction mission in Syria, although we will join NATO & GCC allies if they want to participate.

You can't lose what you never had. Bet there are some easy examples of that...like the death of an unborn child. Syria was a miscarriage before we got involved.

We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us). Horse Hockey. Trump met with Little Kim...we can be where we want to be. During the transition, Flynn was negotiating with Kislyak for a seat at the Astana conf, set to take place in early 2017.

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage, So again it's selective what falls under AUMF. We don't need their fossil fuels. What is the actual plan here? Denying the oil fields to IS falls within the existing AUMF. Read the NPR explainer I linked earlier about the strategic significance of the oil fields. We won't use or profit from the oil, the Kurds will. Those bases are perfectly located as staging points for raiding IS remnants in the lower Euphrates valley.

which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us. Oh, I see what's happening and globally it's stunning to watch and completely inexplicable, as hard as you try. Watch the news on DW & BBC. They get it.

You didn't answer the questions asked -

Iran - What is the plan? Have they moved further down the road to enrich uranium?

Syrian Oil - What is the plan?

[tech37]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having), Fine. Delivery matters.

just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now. Disagree....there can be no moaning when Syria, somehow, gets worse, since Vlad has the strings and the Kurds don't trust us. Iran is another example of What the heck is the plan? Can you tell me the situation hasn't deteriorated since he walked from the deal? Things have gotten worse for Iran, They're running out of money to fund their proxies throughout the region. Massive anti-Iran protests in Iraq. Oil is still flowing out of the Gulf. Other Navies have joined us in keeping the sea lanes open & participating in the largest minesweeping exercise ever conducted.

We were never in it, to "win" it. Disagree - as the world's cop, we are always in it. You don't want that job, set aside, give it to China and the yuan. We're still there to step on IS, keep the sea lanes open, keep the oil flowing & we're still protecting the Kurds. We're just not signing up for an open ended peacekeeping & reconstruction mission in Syria, although we will join NATO & GCC allies if they want to participate.

You can't lose what you never had. Bet there are some easy examples of that...like the death of an unborn child. Syria was a miscarriage before we got involved.

We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us). Horse Hockey. Trump met with Little Kim...we can be where we want to be. During the transition, Flynn was negotiating with Kislyak for a seat at the Astana conf, set to take place in early 2017.

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage, So again it's selective what falls under AUMF. We don't need their fossil fuels. What is the actual plan here? Denying the oil fields to IS falls within the existing AUMF. Read the NPR explainer I linked earlier about the strategic significance of the oil fields. We won't use or profit from the oil, the Kurds will. Those bases are perfectly located as staging points for raiding IS remnants in the lower Euphrates valley.

which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us. Oh, I see what's happening and globally it's stunning to watch and completely inexplicable, as hard as you try. Watch the news on DW & BBC. They get it.

You didn't answer the questions asked -

Iran - What is the plan? Have they moved further down the road to enrich uranium?

Syrian Oil - What is the plan?

Just a suggestion...

Who would have guessed that the same week the Syrian crisis (politically and otherwise) had reached fever pitch in the media, that we eliminated Bahgdadi and his second in command? Great, genuine, factual development just when all seemed lost.

Or better still, who had ever heard of Stuxnet before it had already done its damage to Iran's nuke program?

It may be naive to believe nothing is in the works regarding Iran. What that is I haven't a clue, but I can't imagine those opposed to the Mullahs and their desire for a nuke are just sitting around waiting, wringing their hands.

[MDlaxfan76]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having), Fine. Delivery matters.

just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now. Disagree....there can be no moaning when Syria, somehow, gets worse, since Vlad has the strings and the Kurds don't trust us. Iran is another example of What the heck is the plan? Can you tell me the situation hasn't deteriorated since he walked from the deal? Things have gotten worse for Iran, They're running out of money to fund their proxies throughout the region. Massive anti-Iran protests in Iraq. Oil is still flowing out of the Gulf. Other Navies have joined us in keeping the sea lanes open & participating in the largest minesweeping exercise ever conducted.

We were never in it, to "win" it. Disagree - as the world's cop, we are always in it. You don't want that job, set aside, give it to China and the yuan. We're still there to step on IS, keep the sea lanes open, keep the oil flowing & we're still protecting the Kurds. We're just not signing up for an open ended peacekeeping & reconstruction mission in Syria, although we will join NATO & GCC allies if they want to participate.

You can't lose what you never had. Bet there are some easy examples of that...like the death of an unborn child. Syria was a miscarriage before we got involved.

We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us). Horse Hockey. Trump met with Little Kim...we can be where we want to be. During the transition, Flynn was negotiating with Kislyak for a seat at the Astana conf, set to take place in early 2017.

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage, So again it's selective what falls under AUMF. We don't need their fossil fuels. What is the actual plan here? Denying the oil fields to IS falls within the existing AUMF. Read the NPR explainer I linked earlier about the strategic significance of the oil fields. We won't use or profit from the oil, the Kurds will. Those bases are perfectly located as staging points for raiding IS remnants in the lower Euphrates valley.

which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us. Oh, I see what's happening and globally it's stunning to watch and completely inexplicable, as hard as you try. Watch the news on DW & BBC. They get it.

You didn't answer the questions asked -

Iran - What is the plan? Have they moved further down the road to enrich uranium?

Syrian Oil - What is the plan?

Just a suggestion...

Who would have guessed that the same week the Syrian crisis (politically and otherwise) had reached fever pitch in the media, that we eliminated Bahgdadi and his second in command? Great, genuine, factual development just when all seemed lost.

Or better still, who had ever heard of Stuxnet before it had already done its damage to Iran's nuke program?

It may be naive to believe nothing is in the works regarding Iran. What that is I haven't a clue, but I can't imagine those opposed to the Mullahs and their desire for a nuke are just sitting around waiting, wringing their hands.

Faith in VSG, tech, or are you saying you have faith in our IC and military?

If the latter, you'd have company...but there's a whole bunch of calls they don't get to make.

[old salt]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having), Fine. Delivery matters.

just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now. Disagree....there can be no moaning when Syria, somehow, gets worse, since Vlad has the strings and the Kurds don't trust us. Iran is another example of What the heck is the plan? Can you tell me the situation hasn't deteriorated since he walked from the deal? Things have gotten worse for Iran, They're running out of money to fund their proxies throughout the region. Massive anti-Iran protests in Iraq. Oil is still flowing out of the Gulf. Other Navies have joined us in keeping the sea lanes open & participating in the largest minesweeping exercise ever conducted.

We were never in it, to "win" it. Disagree - as the world's cop, we are always in it. You don't want that job, set aside, give it to China and the yuan. We're still there to step on IS, keep the sea lanes open, keep the oil flowing & we're still protecting the Kurds. We're just not signing up for an open ended peacekeeping & reconstruction mission in Syria, although we will join NATO & GCC allies if they want to participate.

You can't lose what you never had. Bet there are some easy examples of that...like the death of an unborn child. Syria was a miscarriage before we got involved.

We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us). Horse Hockey. Trump met with Little Kim...we can be where we want to be. During the transition, Flynn was negotiating with Kislyak for a seat at the Astana conf, set to take place in early 2017.

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage, So again it's selective what falls under AUMF. We don't need their fossil fuels. What is the actual plan here? Denying the oil fields to IS falls within the existing AUMF. Read the NPR explainer I linked earlier about the strategic significance of the oil fields. We won't use or profit from the oil, the Kurds will. Those bases are perfectly located as staging points for raiding IS remnants in the lower Euphrates valley.

which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us. Oh, I see what's happening and globally it's stunning to watch and completely inexplicable, as hard as you try. Watch the news on DW & BBC. They get it.

You didn't answer the questions asked -

Iran - What is the plan? Have they moved further down the road to enrich uranium?
Maintain the sanctions. Force Iran back to the table. Structure our defensive forces in the region to deter & counter Iran's military retaliations. Quietly encourage our Brit, French, German allies to restrain Iran's breakout & attract them back to the table.

Syrian Oil - What is the plan?
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/31/77514285 ... it-matters
It's obvious. Read the NPR explainer
The SDF can use the same sales, micro-refining & (smuggling) distribution as ISIL did, with US tech assist & protection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_produ ... ng_in_ISIL

[old salt]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having),
just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now.

We were never in it, to "win" it. You can't lose what you never had.
We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us).

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage,
which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us.

Coach Sowell should have used that excuse!

...or won one conf tournament game in eight years.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having),
just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now.

We were never in it, to "win" it. You can't lose what you never had.
We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us).

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage,
which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us.

Coach Sowell should have used that excuse!

...or won one conf tournament game in eight years.

That too

[foreverlax]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having), Fine. Delivery matters.

just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now. Disagree....there can be no moaning when Syria, somehow, gets worse, since Vlad has the strings and the Kurds don't trust us. Iran is another example of What the heck is the plan? Can you tell me the situation hasn't deteriorated since he walked from the deal? Things have gotten worse for Iran, They're running out of money to fund their proxies throughout the region. Massive anti-Iran protests in Iraq. Oil is still flowing out of the Gulf. Other Navies have joined us in keeping the sea lanes open & participating in the largest minesweeping exercise ever conducted.

We were never in it, to "win" it. Disagree - as the world's cop, we are always in it. You don't want that job, set aside, give it to China and the yuan. We're still there to step on IS, keep the sea lanes open, keep the oil flowing & we're still protecting the Kurds. We're just not signing up for an open ended peacekeeping & reconstruction mission in Syria, although we will join NATO & GCC allies if they want to participate.

You can't lose what you never had. Bet there are some easy examples of that...like the death of an unborn child. Syria was a miscarriage before we got involved.

We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us). Horse Hockey. Trump met with Little Kim...we can be where we want to be. During the transition, Flynn was negotiating with Kislyak for a seat at the Astana conf, set to take place in early 2017.

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage, So again it's selective what falls under AUMF. We don't need their fossil fuels. What is the actual plan here? Denying the oil fields to IS falls within the existing AUMF. Read the NPR explainer I linked earlier about the strategic significance of the oil fields. We won't use or profit from the oil, the Kurds will. Those bases are perfectly located as staging points for raiding IS remnants in the lower Euphrates valley.

which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us. Oh, I see what's happening and globally it's stunning to watch and completely inexplicable, as hard as you try. Watch the news on DW & BBC. They get it.

You didn't answer the questions asked -

Iran - What is the plan? Have they moved further down the road to enrich uranium?
Maintain the sanctions. Force Iran back to the table. Structure our defensive forces in the region to deter & counter Iran's military retaliations. Quietly encourage our Brit, French, German allies to restrain Iran's breakout & attract them back to the table.

Syrian Oil - What is the plan?
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/31/77514285 ... it-matters
It's obvious. Read the NPR explainer
The SDF can use the same sales, micro-refining & (smuggling) distribution as ISIL did, with US tech assist & protection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_produ ... ng_in_ISIL

Regarding IRan - how long or is it open ended?

Syria - you linked an opinion piece. What is Trump's plan?

[Jim Malone]

Feds: LI firm illegally sold Chinese-made surveillance, security equipment to U.S. government

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/cri ... 1.38332553

[old salt]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having), Fine. Delivery matters.

just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now. Disagree....there can be no moaning when Syria, somehow, gets worse, since Vlad has the strings and the Kurds don't trust us. Iran is another example of What the heck is the plan? Can you tell me the situation hasn't deteriorated since he walked from the deal? Things have gotten worse for Iran, They're running out of money to fund their proxies throughout the region. Massive anti-Iran protests in Iraq. Oil is still flowing out of the Gulf. Other Navies have joined us in keeping the sea lanes open & participating in the largest minesweeping exercise ever conducted.

We were never in it, to "win" it. Disagree - as the world's cop, we are always in it. You don't want that job, set aside, give it to China and the yuan. We're still there to step on IS, keep the sea lanes open, keep the oil flowing & we're still protecting the Kurds. We're just not signing up for an open ended peacekeeping & reconstruction mission in Syria, although we will join NATO & GCC allies if they want to participate.

You can't lose what you never had. Bet there are some easy examples of that...like the death of an unborn child. Syria was a miscarriage before we got involved.

We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us). Horse Hockey. Trump met with Little Kim...we can be where we want to be. During the transition, Flynn was negotiating with Kislyak for a seat at the Astana conf, set to take place in early 2017.

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage, So again it's selective what falls under AUMF. We don't need their fossil fuels. What is the actual plan here? Denying the oil fields to IS falls within the existing AUMF. Read the NPR explainer I linked earlier about the strategic significance of the oil fields. We won't use or profit from the oil, the Kurds will. Those bases are perfectly located as staging points for raiding IS remnants in the lower Euphrates valley.

which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us. Oh, I see what's happening and globally it's stunning to watch and completely inexplicable, as hard as you try. Watch the news on DW & BBC. They get it.

You didn't answer the questions asked -

Iran - What is the plan? Have they moved further down the road to enrich uranium?
Maintain the sanctions. Force Iran back to the table. Structure our defensive forces in the region to deter & counter Iran's military retaliations. Quietly encourage our Brit, French, German allies to restrain Iran's breakout & attract them back to the table.

Syrian Oil - What is the plan?
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/31/77514285 ... it-matters
It's obvious. Read the NPR explainer
The SDF can use the same sales, micro-refining & (smuggling) distribution as ISIL did, with US tech assist & protection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_produ ... ng_in_ISIL

Regarding IRan - how long or is it open ended?

Syria - you linked an opinion piece. What is Trump's plan?

An opinion piece full of information laying out 3 reasons why Syrian oil is worth protecting for the Kurds.
Trump's plan is what we are in the process of doing. Watch the news.
Review my previous posts & stop pestering me to repeat what I've already posted.
Both are open ended.

[foreverlax]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having), Fine. Delivery matters.

just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now. Disagree....there can be no moaning when Syria, somehow, gets worse, since Vlad has the strings and the Kurds don't trust us. Iran is another example of What the heck is the plan? Can you tell me the situation hasn't deteriorated since he walked from the deal? Things have gotten worse for Iran, They're running out of money to fund their proxies throughout the region. Massive anti-Iran protests in Iraq. Oil is still flowing out of the Gulf. Other Navies have joined us in keeping the sea lanes open & participating in the largest minesweeping exercise ever conducted.

We were never in it, to "win" it. Disagree - as the world's cop, we are always in it. You don't want that job, set aside, give it to China and the yuan. We're still there to step on IS, keep the sea lanes open, keep the oil flowing & we're still protecting the Kurds. We're just not signing up for an open ended peacekeeping & reconstruction mission in Syria, although we will join NATO & GCC allies if they want to participate.

You can't lose what you never had. Bet there are some easy examples of that...like the death of an unborn child. Syria was a miscarriage before we got involved.

We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us). Horse Hockey. Trump met with Little Kim...we can be where we want to be. During the transition, Flynn was negotiating with Kislyak for a seat at the Astana conf, set to take place in early 2017.

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage, So again it's selective what falls under AUMF. We don't need their fossil fuels. What is the actual plan here? Denying the oil fields to IS falls within the existing AUMF. Read the NPR explainer I linked earlier about the strategic significance of the oil fields. We won't use or profit from the oil, the Kurds will. Those bases are perfectly located as staging points for raiding IS remnants in the lower Euphrates valley.

which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us. Oh, I see what's happening and globally it's stunning to watch and completely inexplicable, as hard as you try. Watch the news on DW & BBC. They get it.

You didn't answer the questions asked -

Iran - What is the plan? Have they moved further down the road to enrich uranium?
Maintain the sanctions. Force Iran back to the table. Structure our defensive forces in the region to deter & counter Iran's military retaliations. Quietly encourage our Brit, French, German allies to restrain Iran's breakout & attract them back to the table.

Syrian Oil - What is the plan?
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/31/77514285 ... it-matters
It's obvious. Read the NPR explainer
The SDF can use the same sales, micro-refining & (smuggling) distribution as ISIL did, with US tech assist & protection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_produ ... ng_in_ISIL

Regarding IRan - how long or is it open ended?

Syria - you linked an opinion piece. What is Trump's plan?

An opinion piece full of information laying out 3 reasons why Syrian oil is worth protecting for the Kurds.
Trump's plan is what we are in the process of doing. Watch the news.
Review my previous posts & stop pestering me to repeat what I've already posted.
Both are open ended.

I don't care about someone's opinion, I want to know the actual plan.

Both are open ended, and yet in this same thread, you say Trump left the Kurds because he doesn't want it to be "open ended".

Got it...watch TV. Clearly there is nothing concrete you can add to this conversation.

[old salt]

Guess it's time we get over Trump losing Syria to Russia.

Lost Syria ? When did the US ever have any control or influence over Syria ? Never said we did, but in the words of the great George Costanza, we lost any hand we had.

They were a Soviet ally before they were a Russian ally.
The last time that point was made, you said it was a stupid observation.

What is "winning" in Syria ?
No clue...what is winning in any of our other military adventure? Seems the DoD never gets that part right.

Responsibility for stopping a civil war, peacekeeping, reconstruction, resettlement of millions of refugees ?
That used to be our role

That's the prize which comes with "winning" Syria.
Doesn't matter since we left that table when we walked away from the Kurds.

The best we can hope for is to help protect the Kurds (if they'll cease their terrorist activities against Turkey), give them some leverage for autonomy, keep them as an ally & base to hold down ISIS, & not prolong an intractable civil war.

...and not "lose" Turkey (completely) in the process.

Turkey remains a geo-strategically critical NATO ally.

It was a stupid observation then (when inserted in the context of the discussion afan & I were having), Fine. Delivery matters.

just like "losing Syria" is a stupid observation now. Disagree....there can be no moaning when Syria, somehow, gets worse, since Vlad has the strings and the Kurds don't trust us. Iran is another example of What the heck is the plan? Can you tell me the situation hasn't deteriorated since he walked from the deal? Things have gotten worse for Iran, They're running out of money to fund their proxies throughout the region. Massive anti-Iran protests in Iraq. Oil is still flowing out of the Gulf. Other Navies have joined us in keeping the sea lanes open & participating in the largest minesweeping exercise ever conducted.

We were never in it, to "win" it. Disagree - as the world's cop, we are always in it. You don't want that job, set aside, give it to China and the yuan. We're still there to step on IS, keep the sea lanes open, keep the oil flowing & we're still protecting the Kurds. We're just not signing up for an open ended peacekeeping & reconstruction mission in Syria, although we will join NATO & GCC allies if they want to participate.

You can't lose what you never had. Bet there are some easy examples of that...like the death of an unborn child. Syria was a miscarriage before we got involved.

We never had a seat at the table (although Flynn was working to get one for us). Horse Hockey. Trump met with Little Kim...we can be where we want to be. During the transition, Flynn was negotiating with Kislyak for a seat at the Astana conf, set to take place in early 2017.

Holding the oil fields & their territory outside the Turkish incursion zone still gives the Kurds leverage, So again it's selective what falls under AUMF. We don't need their fossil fuels. What is the actual plan here? Denying the oil fields to IS falls within the existing AUMF. Read the NPR explainer I linked earlier about the strategic significance of the oil fields. We won't use or profit from the oil, the Kurds will. Those bases are perfectly located as staging points for raiding IS remnants in the lower Euphrates valley.

which they are playing expertly. The Kurds get it, if you don't. They're hanging with us. Oh, I see what's happening and globally it's stunning to watch and completely inexplicable, as hard as you try. Watch the news on DW & BBC. They get it.

You didn't answer the questions asked -

Iran - What is the plan? Have they moved further down the road to enrich uranium?
Maintain the sanctions. Force Iran back to the table. Structure our defensive forces in the region to deter & counter Iran's military retaliations. Quietly encourage our Brit, French, German allies to restrain Iran's breakout & attract them back to the table.

Syrian Oil - What is the plan?
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/31/77514285 ... it-matters
It's obvious. Read the NPR explainer
The SDF can use the same sales, micro-refining & (smuggling) distribution as ISIL did, with US tech assist & protection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_produ ... ng_in_ISIL

Regarding IRan - how long or is it open ended?

Syria - you linked an opinion piece. What is Trump's plan?

An opinion piece full of information laying out 3 reasons why Syrian oil is worth protecting for the Kurds.
Trump's plan is what we are in the process of doing. Watch the news.
Review my previous posts & stop pestering me to repeat what I've already posted.
Both are open ended.

I don't care about someone's opinion, I want to know the actual plan.

Both are open ended, and yet in this same thread, you say Trump left the Kurds because he doesn't want it to be "open ended".

Got it...watch TV. Clearly there is nothing concrete you can add to this conversation.

Yes. I fail to live up to your example of bringing substance to this topic.