Trump's Russian Collusion

[Typical Lax Dad]

....if you and yours wanna ignore braggin joe biden getting the Ukraine AG fired, for WHATEVER reason........and withheld aid until that happened.....and for trump to wanna know about it......is an impeachable offense? It's laughable. THIS is what you are going with? Or the handful of traffic cones, with plenty of skeleton bones tucked into the shoe box in the closet, for the current lot.

Biden? No, no, no. Why aren't you talking about Hillary's corruption? What's wrong with you?

Corruption? Friends with someone who went to HIGH school with the Redskins owner Snider of mark. The guy was ALWAYS an arse wipe. For those that know tRump (I don't WANT to get to know him. Ivanka? ) I get it. Very, very unlikeable.

But, again, you are missing the point about trumps corruption and where's the proof. The greater NYC area, much like Harvey W. or even others, loved and adored Donald. Duh....money. When the masters of the universe (The Giving Pledge ) allow someone like Mike Milken, federal prison sentence and bilking millions from ma and pop middle Philly city, to enter it's club of HIGH powered folks.....it's tough to look where , for standards. Or morals.

Hillaryouse clinton is running for President. Soon, very, very soon. Before Thanks Giving. Oh, yes, just like that, she will make the holiday's about her.

Take your meds.

[runrussellrun]

....if you and yours wanna ignore braggin joe biden getting the Ukraine AG fired, for WHATEVER reason........and withheld aid until that happened.....and for trump to wanna know about it......is an impeachable offense? It's laughable. THIS is what you are going with? Or the handful of traffic cones, with plenty of skeleton bones tucked into the shoe box in the closet, for the current lot.

Biden? No, no, no. Why aren't you talking about Hillary's corruption? What's wrong with you?

Corruption? Friends with someone who went to HIGH school with the Redskins owner Snider of mark. The guy was ALWAYS an arse wipe. For those that know tRump (I don't WANT to get to know him. Ivanka? ) I get it. Very, very unlikeable.

But, again, you are missing the point about trumps corruption and where's the proof. The greater NYC area, much like Harvey W. or even others, loved and adored Donald. Duh....money. When the masters of the universe (The Giving Pledge ) allow someone like Mike Milken, federal prison sentence and bilking millions from ma and pop middle Philly city, to enter it's club of HIGH powered folks.....it's tough to look where , for standards. Or morals.

Hillaryouse clinton is running for President. Soon, very, very soon. Before Thanks Giving. Oh, yes, just like that, she will make the holiday's about her.

Take your meds.

I just did......taking the train to Boston for treatment now.

[Typical Lax Dad]

....if you and yours wanna ignore braggin joe biden getting the Ukraine AG fired, for WHATEVER reason........and withheld aid until that happened.....and for trump to wanna know about it......is an impeachable offense? It's laughable. THIS is what you are going with? Or the handful of traffic cones, with plenty of skeleton bones tucked into the shoe box in the closet, for the current lot.

Biden? No, no, no. Why aren't you talking about Hillary's corruption? What's wrong with you?

Corruption? Friends with someone who went to HIGH school with the Redskins owner Snider of mark. The guy was ALWAYS an arse wipe. For those that know tRump (I don't WANT to get to know him. Ivanka? ) I get it. Very, very unlikeable.

But, again, you are missing the point about trumps corruption and where's the proof. The greater NYC area, much like Harvey W. or even others, loved and adored Donald. Duh....money. When the masters of the universe (The Giving Pledge ) allow someone like Mike Milken, federal prison sentence and bilking millions from ma and pop middle Philly city, to enter it's club of HIGH powered folks.....it's tough to look where , for standards. Or morals.

Hillaryouse clinton is running for President. Soon, very, very soon. Before Thanks Giving. Oh, yes, just like that, she will make the holiday's about her.

Take your meds.

I just did......taking the train to Boston for treatment now.

Good luck. Let us know who ordered the hit on Fred Hampton when you have time.

[old salt]

As I've argued with folks like cradle and OS who want to impute military service as necessarily equivalent to 'honor', unfortunately it's just not equivalent and can't be 100% assumed.

But that doesn't make it not disappointing that someone who has professed to live by a creed of 'duty, honor, country' fails to do so, so egregiously.

.. ...I'm not the one who selectively injected the West Point Honor Code into the discussion.
I found it amusing that it was used to bolster Bill Taylor's credibility, then used to smear WP grads (& classmates) Esper & Pompeo when they verified why Esper & Milley made the call to withdraw 36 of their troops from an indefensible tactical position.

[Trinity]

Ambassador Gordon Sondland flipped, remembers the crime and that Pence was nearby.

[youthathletics]

Ambassador Gordon Sondland flipped, remembers the crime and that Pence was nearby.

This is what I found in a quick search.

"I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo," Trump said, according to Sondland. "I want Zelenskiy to do the right thing." Is that the silver bullet you reference?

[youthathletics]

More on the story of Vindman from his superior: https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/04/reti ... d-america/

Nice. Out the whistleblower, and assassinate the character and service of a witness. Is there any bottom to these folks? What. About. The. Facts?

Or does membership in the Club require repetition that it was "a perfect call"? C'mon man.

The article is capturing the character via another service member who was higher ranking at the time. And your reply is "Is there any bottom". Sheesh....you immediately discredited the higher ranking service member....outta partisanship or just hate of Trump?

Read the article. It describes a guy joking around with other soldiers, and trying to find common ground with adversaries. LtC Hickman takes these conversations he appears to have overheard and transforms Vindman into a traitor. C'mon man, it's just gross and doesn't deserve your attention, You're better than this.

Why are yo picking sides if you know nothing about this guy?
"That which does not leave your lips, can not come back and bite you in the a$s."

[calourie]

Ambassador Gordon Sondland flipped, remembers the crime and that Pence was nearby.

This is what I found in a quick search.

"I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo," Trump said, according to Sondland. "I want Zelenskiy to do the right thing." Is that the silver bullet you reference?
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Here is what Trinity is referring to. " Points out a definite "Quid pro quo" on the part of the administration of which I believe Trump was still the boss. Guess it depends on how hard one looks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/p ... trump.html

[ggait]

Classic.

Knowing that his lies were about to become public, yesterday Sondland (following his counsel's advice) submits a "supplement" to his prior false testimony. The "supplement" says that the truthful testimony of Taylor and Morrison has now "refreshed his recollection." And what slipped Gordo's mind?

Oh yeah, I did tell the Ukes in person on September 1 that there was a quid pro quo on Biden/Burisma. Just a little thing. Don't know how I didn't recall that the first time I testified.

BAHAHAHAHA

P.S. Sondland doesn't have a law school degree, but said it would be “improper” for Giuliani to push the Ukes to investigate Biden. Asked if it was illegal, Sondland said: “I’m not a lawyer, but I assume so.” So what the heck is wrong with NSC's Morrison (GW Law grad), Ellis and Eisenberg (both Yale Law grads).

[Typical Lax Dad]

Ambassador Gordon Sondland flipped, remembers the crime and that Pence was nearby.

What I meant wuz....

[ggait]

"I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo," Trump said, according to Sondland. "I want Zelenskiy to do the right thing." Is that the silver bullet you reference?

Youth -- can we talk about the bridge I have for sale?

Sondland testified that was what Trump said on September 9. He didn't testify that he believed Trump. Which he didn't.

Since Sondland now grudgingly supplementally testifies that on September 1 Sondland told the Ukes that there was in fact a quid pro quo. By September 9, Trump knows his plan has blown up and is in damage control mode.

September 9 happens to be the day that ICIG Atkinson notifies House Intel Committee that a WB report has been made in mid-August, that Atkinson finds the WB report credible, but (contrary to law and precedent) that Acting DNI Maguire has failed to furnish the report to Congress. In other words, truck loads of shirt start hitting the fan that precise day. But Trump would have known about the WB report before then.

[Trinity]

Where are the Republicans with the House transcript excerpts that clear their team? They promised if only we could see what they could see.

[ggait]

I actually think the Dems "attempt" to keep these depositions confidential is kinda silly. The stated reason is to prevent succeeding witnesses from knowing what prior witnesses said so they won't be able to line up their testimony.

NJ Bill -- Seems like in Sondland's case, the point was to snag the liars with subsequent truthful testimony (i.e. Taylor, Morrison).

End of the day, I doubt that any facts will cause 20 GOP Senators to ditch Trump. But it seems like Schiff and Pelosi are playing this extremely well. They're keeping things secret just long enough to get it all down on paper. And then making the paper public very swiftly. And all of that is happening in the face of total non-cooperation by the administration.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Where are the Republicans with the House transcript excerpts that clear their team? They promised if only we could see what they could see.

Perfect example of gas lighting

[ardilla secreta]

Ambassador Gordon Sondland flipped, remembers the crime and that Pence was nearby.

Watch him take up the Twinkie defense. It was the only thing good to eat in the commissary - yadda, yadda, yadda, I lied like a dog.

[Typical Lax Dad]

When Democrats pressed Volker on why Hunter Biden was invited to serve on the board of Burisma Holdings, Volker said he suspected Burisma was concerned about its reputation for corruption and was looking to "spruce up its image" by having "prominent-named people on the board."

[ggait]

Seems like Trump is now down to maybe two lame defenses:

1. I didn't order the Code Red. All these people have testified there was a QPQ. But no one has testified Trump told them in so many words to do the QPQ. So like a mob boss, Trump does have a thin layer of deniability. It was all just a misunderstanding or it was all crazy Rudy's doing. Kind of like Reagan's Sgt. Schultz defense on Iran Contra. Problem, though, is the telcon transcript...

2. It isn't illegal or impeachable. I don't think I've heard anyone actually try to explain this. Probably because there's really no analysis or explanation here. Other than 90% of Republicans oppose impeachment.

[ggait]

Volker said he suspected Burisma was concerned about its reputation for corruption and was looking to "spruce up its image" by having "prominent-named people on the board."

Occams razor agrees with this. Burisma at the time was looking for outside international investors, so it would make sense that they would want to show a friendlier face to the western world. Just like how Energy Secy Rick Perry was trying to get Naftogaz (another Uke energy company) to clean up its image by appointing several Americans as directors.

But Burisma biffed it. If you are trying to clean up your corrupt image, you should instead appoint some anonymous but well credentialed guy from the U.S. energy industry. Quite dumb to way overpay for an unqualified director who has a big conflict of interest.

More likely stupid than nefarious.

[a fan]

You think that Trumpland would admit that this testimony is correct, and there was a quid pro quo, ggait?

Go ahead and ask any of them here. The answer is a big, fat, nope-a-rooney. Trump can't have lied or done something bad. That's unpossible!

[a fan]

But Burisma biffed it. If you are trying to clean up your corrupt image, you should instead appoint some anonymous but well credentialed guy from the U.S. energy industry. Quite dumb to way overpay for an unqualified director who has a big conflict of interest.

More likely stupid than nefarious.

On Burisma's part? Yes. On Joe Biden's part? Corrupt as all get out.

Biden goes in to clean out corruption in Ukraine.....and let's his wholly unqualified son sit on a board in said country? Ridiculous.