Sexual Assault ~ Weinstein, Epstein, etc.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The UVA Rolling Stone article; people around the WC were all over that BS as the whole story smelled of rotten fish to most, myself included.

You're joking, right?

On Laxpower, there was ONE poster (just one, not even one more) who claimed at the beginning it was a hoax, he spelled out why it was a hoax, and his gift for being a lonely voice was he got roasted for weeks on end by everyone; not one other poster backed his alternative view. I do not recall his name, but I read the forum. And yes, he was called a rape apologist. I have no doubt that many here would do the same if the next story came out. I did not go back and look at the Nicholas Sandman thread if there is one, but I'd be willing to bet many people here roasted that kid without knowing the backstory. Am I right?

And btw, I am not smart; I am cautious. I don't fall for too-perfect stories. Too many people need stories to be true, so they believe them without inspection, then defend them to death even when it's proved wrong (Kavanaugh's deal comes to mind). I'm first in line to concede errors in thinking and otherwise. Most people refuse to consider any alternative.

Your insistence on Katie Hill forgoing her spot in congress because of 'revenge porn' is one such example of being so committed to your story you can't begin to see an alternative view.

What was your handle back then?

[foreverlax]

On Laxpower, there was one poster who claimed at the beginning it was a hoax, he spelled out why it was a hoax, and his gift for being a lonely voice was he got roasted for weeks on end by everyone; not one other poster backed his alternative view.

Wow...that is some memory. Almost 14 years ago!!

What are you talking about? UVA Rolling Stone was 4 or 5 years back.

The Duke case...

[Peter Brown]

The UVA Rolling Stone article; people around the WC were all over that BS as the whole story smelled of rotten fish to most, myself included.

You're joking, right?

On Laxpower, there was ONE poster (just one, not even one more) who claimed at the beginning it was a hoax, he spelled out why it was a hoax, and his gift for being a lonely voice was he got roasted for weeks on end by everyone; not one other poster backed his alternative view. I do not recall his name, but I read the forum. And yes, he was called a rape apologist. I have no doubt that many here would do the same if the next story came out. I did not go back and look at the Nicholas Sandman thread if there is one, but I'd be willing to bet many people here roasted that kid without knowing the backstory. Am I right?

And btw, I am not smart; I am cautious. I don't fall for too-perfect stories. Too many people need stories to be true, so they believe them without inspection, then defend them to death even when it's proved wrong (Kavanaugh's deal comes to mind). I'm first in line to concede errors in thinking and otherwise. Most people refuse to consider any alternative.

Your insistence on Katie Hill forgoing her spot in congress because of 'revenge porn' is one such example of being so committed to your story you can't begin to see an alternative view.

What was your handle back then?

I was a lurker never a poster.

[Peter Brown]

On Laxpower, there was one poster who claimed at the beginning it was a hoax, he spelled out why it was a hoax, and his gift for being a lonely voice was he got roasted for weeks on end by everyone; not one other poster backed his alternative view.

Wow...that is some memory. Almost 14 years ago!!

What are you talking about? UVA Rolling Stone was 4 or 5 years back.

The Duke case...

I am fairly sure we were referencing the UVA situation.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The UVA Rolling Stone article; people around the WC were all over that BS as the whole story smelled of rotten fish to most, myself included.

You're joking, right?

On Laxpower, there was ONE poster (just one, not even one more) who claimed at the beginning it was a hoax, he spelled out why it was a hoax, and his gift for being a lonely voice was he got roasted for weeks on end by everyone; not one other poster backed his alternative view. I do not recall his name, but I read the forum. And yes, he was called a rape apologist. I have no doubt that many here would do the same if the next story came out. I did not go back and look at the Nicholas Sandman thread if there is one, but I'd be willing to bet many people here roasted that kid without knowing the backstory. Am I right?

And btw, I am not smart; I am cautious. I don't fall for too-perfect stories. Too many people need stories to be true, so they believe them without inspection, then defend them to death even when it's proved wrong (Kavanaugh's deal comes to mind). I'm first in line to concede errors in thinking and otherwise. Most people refuse to consider any alternative.

Your insistence on Katie Hill forgoing her spot in congress because of 'revenge porn' is one such example of being so committed to your story you can't begin to see an alternative view.

What was your handle back then?

I was a lurker never a poster.

Interesting. Never posted but you recall that detail? Interesting.

[MDlaxfan76]

It's relatively easy to know which way people view these topics simply because of their Party choice.

Really?

Great. Who is a registered D and R here?

I don't read every post or thread but my guesses are:

D's:

Seacoaster
TLD
DocB
jhu72
RedfromMI
Foreverlax

R's:

ABV
Old Salt

I am probably missing some names I have seen.

I'm a registered R.

[MDlaxfan76]

ABV is a libertarian and I am for anything other than Trump or his enablers. I would vote for a traffic cone.

Who are Trump's enablers? His voters?

If the choice was Trump or a socialist, you're voting for a socialist?

Even a 'socialist' traffic cone. Not Trump.

[MDlaxfan76]

8 assaults...and these are the ones who came forward...to tell of their P-word being grabbed by our current POTUS...and you aren't going to vote for Kamala??? Because she's not liberal enough??? Too much a law and order type, tramples on "civil liberties" too much?

You do realize you are comparing her 'disdain' for 'civil liberties' with Trump's disdain for the Constitution, right?
Binary choice.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-ha ... heap-labor

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/public-def ... l-and-him/

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/ ... 263797.php

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opin ... stice.html

'law and order'...omg, I am literally falling over

(btw, let me know when Trump as POTUS violates a citizen's civil liberties; I'm happy to re-assess my thought on him in this regard when you do)

https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/

https://transequality.org/press/release ... h-programs

https://time.com/5106648/donald-trump-c ... ights.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out ... s-n1045971

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-admi ... 1572632036

want more?

Come on, PB, Trump doesn't remotely respect the rule of law much less the Constitution.
He's entirely transactional, saying whatever he thinks might win him support with the hard right.

[DMac]

Not buying the just lurking part or your recap of the Rolling Stone article reaction, PB. I do remember there being only one (likely you but I can't remember the guy's handle...awfully similar style to the way you've come on here again) initially advising to proceed with extreme caution with the whole deal, but it didn't take most too long to start questioning the validity of the story. Most of us gave the reporters credit for having checked this story out before printing it. Silly us, but lesson learned.
As for my not seeing the #MeToo part or the potential abuse in a relationship between a superior and subordinate concerning the KH situation, you're wrong. I fully understand that. Your argument as to why she bowed out is specious though. Of course you can make it sound as if she gave up her career and future as a promising politician because of an inappropriate relationship, but the real reason she bowed out is because of the revenge porn. You think she would have stepped up and said I've been having a roll in the hay with a subordinate so I have to step down had no pictures and a sleazeball ex husband entered the picture?
BTW, you never answered my question about what societal acceptable sexual behavior is. Didn't answer as to my being lib- conservative, lefty-righty either (maybe a little more help is I butter my bread lefty but eat righty, and I believe marijuana never should never have been illegal and that women should button their blouses as high as men do).

[a fan]

If the choice was Trump or a socialist, you're voting for a socialist?

Trump IS a socialist. Tariffs to protect a couple of labor unions. $2.3 Trillion increase in spending, all of it for non-military, socialist spending.

How many billions in cash has he handed to farmers.

Socialist.

[ABV 8.3%]

.......more reasoning behind having posters bio/dossier/where they stand files.

For example, this is where I stand on this issue.

Marijuana legalization: Hemp or CBD use only? no Recreational growing allowed ? YES

(Suddenly, ALL these pot usa's came out of the woodwork in states generating TAX revenue ? War on drugs.....guess that didn't hit home with all the doctors, scientists, ....essentially all walks of professionals...... Evah see who is buying ? It ain't jessie pinkman types. )

Basically THIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABc8ciT5QLs

Limit answers words............

I would NOT call myself a Liberatarian......but human's have an interesting desire to label everything....

Self proclaimed SHAYSIAN- PPoPP ( pragmatic policies OVER political party )

Recent South Park was AWESOME........ couldn't help think of AFAN when watching Butters Mentioned Harvey Weinstein (also brought forth the VERY real thc overuse problem.......)

[ABV 8.3%]

Not buying the just lurking part or your recap of the Rolling Stone article reaction, PB. I do remember there being only one (likely you but I can't remember the guy's handle...awfully similar style to the way you've come on here again) initially advising to proceed with extreme caution with the whole deal, but it didn't take most too long to start questioning the validity of the story. Most of us gave the reporters credit for having checked this story out before printing it. Silly us, but lesson learned.
As for my not seeing the #MeToo part or the potential abuse in a relationship between a superior and subordinate concerning the KH situation, you're wrong. I fully understand that. Your argument as to why she bowed out is specious though. Of course you can make it sound as if she gave up her career and future as a promising politician because of an inappropriate relationship, but the real reason she bowed out is because of the revenge porn. You think she would have stepped up and said I've been having a roll in the hay with a subordinate so I have to step down had no pictures and a sleazeball ex husband entered the picture?
BTW, you never answered my question about what societal acceptable sexual behavior is. Didn't answer as to my being lib- conservative, lefty-righty either (maybe a little more help is I butter my bread lefty but eat righty, and I believe marijuana never should never have been illegal and that women should button their blouses as high as men do).

.....the closing of Wahoo Frats b/c of this strange Rolling Stone story was smelly from the start....at least on my end. (innate skeptic ) 3 sides to every story. WHile the RS article contained VERY factual victims, admins, etc.....it was mostly fiction.

Ex military or not, (I am ) if some frat guys did this to my daughter (gang rape on a broken glass table ), I would go all Kaizer Sousa on them........ALL of them. Not in any way, shape or form, am I joking. Stated so on laxpower . Instead.....Dad hugged it away ???

Make no common sense.......no man can loose that much spine.

[Typical Lax Dad]

.......more reasoning behind having posters bio/dossier/where they stand files.

For example, this is where I stand on this issue.

Marijuana legalization: Hemp or CBD use only? no Recreational growing allowed ? YES

(Suddenly, ALL these pot usa's came out of the woodwork in states generating TAX revenue ? War on drugs.....guess that didn't hit home with all the doctors, scientists, ....essentially all walks of professionals...... Evah see who is buying ? It ain't jessie pinkman types. )

Basically THIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABc8ciT5QLs

Limit answers words............

I would NOT call myself a Liberatarian......but human's have an interesting desire to label everything....

Self proclaimed SHAYSIAN- PPoPP ( pragmatic policies OVER political party )

Recent South Park was AWESOME........ couldn't help think of AFAN when watching Butters Mentioned Harvey Weinstein (also brought forth the VERY real thc overuse problem.......)

My fault. I thought you had made that claim. PB should disregard my characterization of you.

[Peter Brown]

<many posts to reply to, so I'll condense here.

Dmac: last many years until this year actually, I used a an early model Gogo WiFi system in a company plane. The only websites we could access in the sky had to have very primitive interfaces. Laxpower was about the only website I could reliably access and so I lurked. I'm not that guy/girl, sorry to disappoint, but his words are my words. I am a passionate defender of the lonely voice and of civil liberties. This Board is like many Internet Boards: a herd mentality demanding submission (mostly by the Left). You will never find me in that group.

Dmac: D or R? probably neither. It sounds like you vote for the person not the Party. But I don't care what you are/if you are, which I think you missed. The topic was predicting responses on issues here based on what I perceived to the Party of the Poster.

MDLax thinks Trump is an emperor-in-waiting, yet I see the occasional good in him when for example he makes moves in the civil liberty lane; I am never of the 'this guy is 100% bad camp', sorry. Trump is the only POTUS I can recall who has actually done something meaningful regarding incarceration. The over-incarceration issue is a stain on America which in 100 years will be looked at similarly to slavery. Most here at FanLax never get exposed to that system, because the incarcerated are mostly young, poor African-Americans (which if I am betting, very few here do much interacting with). I made a decision to be a second-chance company, something very few companies are willing to do.

TLD and others in the Democrat lane often resort to personal attacks rather than the subject matter; that is a disturbing trend seen mostly by the Left, metasticizing in circumstances like Sarah Sanders being kicked out of a restaurant, a videographer getting beaten up in the Portland streets because he wasn't Left, and Mitch McConnell and his wife getting physically harassed at his home. It likewise shows up in an inability to be skeptical about stories (UVA, Duke, Kavanaugh, even Katie Hill resigning because of "revenge porn") which simply confirm their innate bias.

I'm mostly concerned with civil liberties (something Democrats used to hold dear; now they are indistinguishable from R's). I was a Democrat. I don't particularly care for Kamala Harris because she epitomizes (to me) the abuse of power vested in an officeholder.

I hope that covered the various posts.

The end.

[a fan]

This Board is like many Internet Boards: a herd mentality demanding submission (mostly by the Left). You will never find me in that group.

This board leans right, and it's not even close. Heck, I'm further to the right than you are.

Trump ain't a rightie. He's a lefty. And the folks on the board are reacting to his absurd policies and utterances....but because you don't practice what you preach, you ASSUME everyone here is on the left because of the little R by Trump's name, and ASSUME we're reacting to right wing policies.

MDLax thinks Trump is an emperor-in-waiting, yet I see the occasional good in him when for example he makes moves in the civil liberty lane; I am never of the 'this guy is 100% bad camp', sorry. Trump is the only POTUS I can recall who has actually done something meaningful regarding incarceration. The over-incarceration issue is a stain on America which in 100 years will be looked at similarly to slavery. Most here at FanLax never get exposed to that system, because the incarcerated are mostly young, poor African-Americans (which if I am betting, very few here do much interacting with). I made a decision to be a second-chance company, something very few companies are willing to do.

So you OWN the company? Do I have that right? I think your participation of second chance programs is great, bravo! We don't get that luxury when it comes to felonies because of Federal permitting for my sector. Felonies are a no-go.

We have had direct---direct---exposure to the criminal justice system. It's beyond broken, but Trump only handles the Federal system. I certainly applaud what I've read about that bill, but I have yet to see a comprehensive essay on what's in the bill.

MDlax is a real, actual, conservative Republican. And he, thankfully, doesn't buy what Trump is selling.

TLD and others in the Democrat lane often resort to personal attacks rather than the subject matter; that is a disturbing trend seen mostly by the Left, metasticizing in circumstances like Sarah Sanders being kicked out of a restaurant, a videographer getting beaten up in the Portland streets because he wasn't Left, and Mitch McConnell and his wife getting physically harassed at his home.

We discussed that here. I can't recall if anyone said it was ok, or not, my apologies. But yours truly finds that behavior repugnant, and very, very dangerous. It total agreement here.

It likewise shows up in an inability to be skeptical about stories (UVA, Duke, Kavanaugh, even Katie Hill resigning because of "revenge porn") which simply confirm their innate bias.

Says the guy who is 1000% sure that the Kav accusers were "crazy" and "lying". You really need to stop doing this. If you're going to yell at everyone for prejudging, that's great. But that means you don't get to do that yourself. Seems fair, no?

[MDlaxfan76]

PB's not worried about being "fair".

On the one hand, it takes "decades to process abuse" yet Kav's accusers were too long ago, so must be deranged and politically motivated, and half of Trump's accusers are too "homely" to be believed...

It's all through the lens that most Dems, libs, and all socialists, etc, etc are evil, awful, and must be fought at every turn...

Yes, I'm an actual lifetime R, conservative in some ways, forward leaning in others...but I don't assume those with more liberal ideas, policies, are evil, must be stopped. I may think they are being unrealistic, haven't thought through the adverse implications of policy positions, get too far out over their skis at times, but most folks I assume, left and right, actually want their world, their community, their families to prosper, equitably...they actually do care about their neighbors, not just themselves.

Of course, there are indeed malign actors on the left and on the right for whom personal power is their god. They concern me, especially when they gain immense power...

[Peter Brown]

I believe that there's a world of difference between what 'may have' happened 3 decades ago with Kavanaugh versus something actually happening today in real time such as with Hill.

Regarding Kavanaugh's accusers, every one of their stories has been shot down. That was easy to predict btw. They are today's Crystal Mangum and Jackie Coakley.

Regarding Christine Blasey Ford specifically, I am sorry but I watched her proceeding live, and it's beyond sad: she is a nutter, pure and simple, no other way to put it. She needs professional help.

And oh by the way, here is her lawyer in that famously conservative rag Newsweek:

https://www.newsweek.com/christine-blas ... ny-1458217

I won't repost the stories about her dad and family not backing her because they say that she might be a tad over-partisanized...c'mon MDLax, your continuing support of her account is painful to read.

[Trinity]

Kav should have insisted on the full colonoscopy and told the truth about boofing and ralphing and Renate. Otherwise I believe McGahn when he says that investigation would have been disastrous to the nomination.

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

You.Can’t.Have.A.Relationship.With.A.Person.Whose.Paycheck.You.Control.

sounds like a rule we should have for all government. and business. and unions. and academia. and military. ad nauseum

[MDlaxfan76]

Kav should have insisted on the full colonoscopy and told the truth about boofing and ralphing and Renate. Otherwise I believe McGahn when he says that investigation would have been disastrous to the nomination.

Right. I found her far more credible as telling a painful truth than Kav.
He weaseled around stuff that he could have copped to, but nope, he chose to lie and pretend he didn't know...

Given that comparison? Gotta go with Ford.