Conservative Ideology: A Big Lie

[youthathletics]

Can we all just be happy American are working at a very high rate, jobs are available and heck, even pot is legal.... more now than ever.

NO. Not when the GOP LIES and LIES and LIES about concern for debt and turns those LIES into solid obstruction that leads us to the LIARS being in power. Tricklee down has been, is now, and ALWAYS WILL BE a stinkin' LIE. And these maroons rode that dead horse right into the Oval Office.

Just what do Trump Base Voters think they're gonna GET from a buncha right wing loons on the SCOTUS continuing to invest raw power in the 1%??

Trickle down "rights"?? That'll sure help you "put food on your family" (GW Shrub)

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Why are you so wound up man? Life is good...remember most people think chocolate milk comes from brown cows and before you know it all the THC in everyone's system will think skittles come from the rainbow raining. We need to get you drunk and have some laughs.

[DMac]

C'mon, we all know where Skittles come from.


Might want to put that in your vape pen rather
than getting drunk...but to each his own.

[youthathletics]

Nice!

[seacoaster]

"Why are you so wound up man?"

Mostly because I have children, and their country is leaving them and becoming something different and something not so great.

[Typical Lax Dad]

"Why are you so wound up man?"

Mostly because I have children, and their country is leaving them and becoming something different and something not so great.

Absolutely

[Trinity]

November should bring prongs 3 and 4 of the Mueller probe, US persons involvement and obstruction. Might seriously change the direction of many in the Gop. The final prong is about crimes discovered along the way. That road goes on....

[youthathletics]

"Why are you so wound up man?"

Mostly because I have children, and their country is leaving them and becoming something different and something not so great.

Absolutely

Anyone of you care to be specific about how our country is leaving them and becoming something not so great? I too have children, 1 in the military, 1 in a liberal arts chool where is teacher is cramming Communism down his throat as the best thing since sliced bread and do not feel that way....help me understand, seriously. I know I can also what you did and argue about jerk hat crazies, ANTIFA types threatening and acting out, people going after and killing first responders, shooting politicians playing baseball, etc...but I am sure you have something else in mind that I am missing.

[MDlaxfan76]

"Why are you so wound up man?"

Mostly because I have children, and their country is leaving them and becoming something different and something not so great.

Absolutely

Anyone of you care to be specific about how our country is leaving them and becoming something not so great? I too have children, 1 in the military, 1 in a liberal arts chool where is teacher is cramming Communism down his throat as the best thing since sliced bread and do not feel that way....help me understand, seriously. I know I can also what you did and argue about jerk hat crazies, ANTIFA types threatening and acting out, people going after and killing first responders, shooting politicians playing baseball, etc...but I am sure you have something else in mind that I am missing.

youth, I'll agree with you that what is happening on the far left is worrisome as well.
But if your kid doesn't have the cojones and educational grounding to resist some college prof's "cramming Communism", I gotta say that could be on you. I had plenty of that in '70's at my Ivy institution, some real wing dingers, but somehow I emerged intact. Heck, I faced a pretty blistering barrage in my Government thesis defense in the Honors program, but came out of it with all sorts of acclaim from the very roughest of my lefty reviewers. They didn't necessarily agree with my willingness to see urban gentrification through a positive market-based lens (while also addressing the issues of displacement), but were ultimately persuaded of my scholarship and the actual logic of my argument. Turns out, in the long run, I was 'right' in my views and policy prescriptions; and some of those same profs has subsequently said so. So, tell your college boy to learn all that he can from the commie profs (they do tend to be smart folks and know a heck of a lot ) but think critically for himself at all times, wherever that takes him ideologically. If he come out of college capable of that, the $ were well spent.

But yes, the issues right now are the degradation of actual 'truth', the undermining of core institutions and norms, the disrespect for the rule of law, and the lifting up of the 'strong man', the authoritarian...I could go on and on.

Dangerous times, IMO. Not unlike some past precarious periods in US history, when we could easily have tipped to some form of authoritarianism in response to civil discord. We've been through some very rough times, but I don't think we've ever been so ill led as today.

And never have we been as close to a full-on authoritarian turn (though we could have gone that direction in the depths of the Depression with the rise of Fascism as an alternative to our constitutional democracy; instead we tacked towards a small measure of socialism and maintained our constitutional democracy).

So, folks are understandably concerned about the world we're making/leaving for our kids.

Not to mention concerns about climate change and a looming, inevitably crushing debt crisis.
While we "fiddle" on.

[a fan]

I couldn't name a single regulation that has improved my life or made me wealthier.

Neither could anyone else in the 15 or so years of the Water Cooler. Deregulation is right up there with "waste and fraud" in terms of something no one in government has any intention of addressing.

The part I don't get is why Republican voters always bring it up. All you have to do is ask the same question that I asked you...."name a Federal regulation that was removed that has a direct impact on your life".

It's such a no brainer question for such a "serious" issue that Republican bring up in every single election. You'd think someone, somewhere would ask a R running for whatever to answer that question.

Best they can come up with, if anything, are EPA rules that keep us all from testicular cancer or something where, at a minimum, there might be a pretty solid reason the regulation exists.

[Typical Lax Dad]

"Why are you so wound up man?"

Mostly because I have children, and their country is leaving them and becoming something different and something not so great.

Absolutely

Anyone of you care to be specific about how our country is leaving them and becoming something not so great? I too have children, 1 in the military, 1 in a liberal arts chool where is teacher is cramming Communism down his throat as the best thing since sliced bread and do not feel that way....help me understand, seriously. I know I can also what you did and argue about jerk hat crazies, ANTIFA types threatening and acting out, people going after and killing first responders, shooting politicians playing baseball, etc...but I am sure you have something else in mind that I am missing.

youth, I'll agree with you that what is happening on the far left is worrisome as well.
But if your kid doesn't have the cojones and educational grounding to resist some college prof's "cramming Communism", I gotta say that could be on you. I had plenty of that in '70's at my Ivy institution, some real wing dingers, but somehow I emerged intact. Heck, I faced a pretty blistering barrage in my Government thesis defense in the Honors program, but came out of it with all sorts of acclaim from the very roughest of my lefty reviewers. They didn't necessarily agree with my willingness to see urban gentrification through a positive market-based lens (while also addressing the issues of displacement), but were ultimately persuaded of my scholarship and the actual logic of my argument. Turns out, in the long run, I was 'right' in my views and policy prescriptions; and some of those same profs has subsequently said so. So, tell your college boy to learn all that he can from the commie profs (they do tend to be smart folks and know a heck of a lot ) but think critically for himself at all times, wherever that takes him ideologically. If he come out of college capable of that, the $ were well spent.

But yes, the issues right now are the degradation of actual 'truth', the undermining of core institutions and norms, the disrespect for the rule of law, and the lifting up of the 'strong man', the authoritarian...I could go on and on.

Dangerous times, IMO. Not unlike some past precarious periods in US history, when we could easily have tipped to some form of authoritarianism in response to civil discord. We've been through some very rough times, but I don't think we've ever been so ill led as today.

And never have we been as close to a full-on authoritarian turn (though we could have gone that direction in the depths of the Depression with the rise of Fascism as an alternative to our constitutional democracy; instead we tacked towards a small measure of socialism and maintained our constitutional democracy).

So, folks are understandably concerned about the world we're making/leaving for our kids.

Not to mention concerns about climate change and a looming, inevitably crushing debt crisis.
While we "fiddle" on.

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[old salt]

"Why are you so wound up man?"

Mostly because I have children, and their country is leaving them and becoming something different and something not so great.

Encourage them to apply for a ROTC scholarship or visit their Armed Forces Recruiting Office.
They'll discover a part of their country which is not leaving them or becoming something different.
...they will always be needed.

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

I meant in terms of policy. His policies make Obama look like he's to the right of W F Buckley.

You are right, of course, and that's my point: policy is wholly immaterial to R Voters. Personally, I think we'll get more R seats in a few weeks, not fewer.

I know you did - I was piling on....

The voters don't think about policy, that takes work and thought, and in the end is probably a waste of time for most folks.

What they do think about is feelings - how does their bank account feel, how does their job feel, how do they feel about their place in their community, their community in their state, their state in the US and the US in the world. The answer lately has been: not all that good.

agreed. such is the danger with democracy!

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

Can we all just be happy American are working at a very high rate, jobs are available and heck, even pot is legal.... more now than ever.

NO. Not when the GOP LIES and LIES and LIES about concern for debt and turns those LIES into solid obstruction that leads us to the LIARS being in power. Tricklee down has been, is now, and ALWAYS WILL BE a stinkin' LIE. And these maroons rode that dead horse right into the Oval Office.

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is this your public position, or your private position?

[a fan]

What they do think about is feelings - how does their bank account feel, how does their job feel, how do they feel about their place in their community, their community in their state, their state in the US and the US in the world. The answer lately has been: not all that good.

If this is true, and you are right...then understand this is where the libs have Republican voters clocked: these people are too stupid to govern themselves, and the government does indeed know better.

What do I mean by this smug sounding comment? Simple:

For 6 years Republican voters demanded that Obama and the R's shrink government spending and the deficit. So that's what they did. Sequester, right? So for the first time since 1953, Federal spending went down from one year to the next.

What happened? The economic malaise that was felt by the bottom rungs of our workforce. The Trump voter.

If all that mattered to these voters was "how's their job and how's their community doing?", they should should have asked Obama to do what Trump did: tack on $3 Trillion in spending, and cut taxes to unsustainable levels. They'd be enjoying the 2018 economy way back in 2010!

But these Republican voters didn't ask Obama to do that. They asked for cuts. That's what they got. And then whined about the result. My favorite complaint was about the "hollowed out military". Uhhhh----you just told Obama to cut spending and shrink the government. He did that. What part of this transaction is confusing to you? You got exactly what you demanded.

If this is truly how stupid the Republican voter has become: put me in the White House. I'd eliminate taxes altogether. Every one of them would be just dazzled and amazed at how great the economy is, and will love me like no other.

And the next POTUS would get to deal with the bill when it arrives. If these Republican voters are as dumb as you are telling me here, they'll blame the next guy for the economic problems, not me!

[DMac]

Would you let Hoo be the VP?
If so you've already got one vote.

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

Would you let Hoo be the VP?
If so you've already got one vote.

nah. we've already established that hoo used to drink beer. and for afan... well, look at that avatar!

[DMac]

No prob, COB, gotta have a good scandal to get elected.

a fan of the people,
a fan's the man!
HooDat, HooDat,
don't get no
better 'n Dat!

Get out and vote!!!
(probably got a little work to do to get the old salt's vote but plenty of time to work on it too)

[dislaxxic]

NO. Not when the GOP LIES and LIES and LIES about concern for debt and turns those LIES into solid obstruction that leads us to the LIARS being in power. Trickle down has been, is now, and ALWAYS WILL BE a stinkin' LIE. And these maroons rode that dead horse right into the Oval Office.

is this your public position, or your private position?

See A Fan's post directly after your original posted question above, for the concise answer...

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[dislaxxic]

The Proud Boys, The GOP And ‘The Fascist Creep’

It's coming to this, apparently...

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[CU88]

I am an atheist, so I don’t know the bible verse he’s quoting; please help me out so I can better understand christians.

Christian leader: Going after Saudi Arabia for journalist's disappearance not worth risking "$100 billion worth of arms sales"

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... earance-of

This is "pro-life" how?