tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:51 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:45 am
tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:48 pm
CU77 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:09 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:24 pm
We do not know yet, for certain, in detail, what the Deep State apparatchiks did to sabotage the Trump Presidency before & after the election.
Completely irrelevant. Trump attempted to force (through withholding of Congress-mandated military aid) the Ukrainian president to denounce Biden as corrupt. THIS IS MORALLY WRONG AND PATENTLY ILLEGAL. It fully deserves impeachment and removal, NO MATTER WHAT ANY "DEEP STATE" ACTORS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE DONE BEFOREHAND.
holy smoke!
He's simply and accurately saying that these are unrelated,
potential illegal acts.
If someone or group of someones did something illegal a couple of years ago, nail them.
I don't think there were any actual illegal acts, but hey, bring 'em forward.
You guys used to say 'wait for the IG report', but that came up empty
You said Mueller's report would be a slam dunk. so now it's
So now it's the Ukraine nonsense for you? wait for Barr and Rudy...flying around the world asking other governments to give them something they can use...
What are you talking about? The IG report related to FISA abuses has not been released.
If Trump and crew committed illegal acts, impeach him and prosecute any criminal acts. Period.
And, yeah, it's quite clear now that Trump did illegal acts with Ukraine and caused others to do so on his behalf.
He's admitted to the acts, and called for more. Publicly.
And we now know that a whole lot of people were raising red flags as he did so.
Right now the question is whether R's in the Senate will allow him to be held to account through impeachment or not.
I think they won't.
No, I never said the Mueller Report
would be a "slam dunk".
I DID say that if you actually read the Mueller Report, you see a ton of unethical acts, some of which are definitely criminal.
To me, and apparently Justin Amash, the Mueller Report was more than sufficient.
The IG has previously reported. You are now referring to another 'look' at a particular set of questions about FISA. For some reason, that report hasn't been released, 3 years later. Maybe because it's not helpful to Trump??? Who knows?
What we actually KNOW about the FISA process is that a raft of GOP appointed judges, multiple times approved the extension of the surveillance, not simply based on the original application, but also because the surveillance was considered productive. Including well into the Trump presidency and DOJ. Now, if that had been a bunch of Dem judges, I'd be more suspicious of the review having been somehow partisan...but...
But, hey, maybe someone actually presented
known to be false information in the warrant applications...maybe...indeed that would be illegal and if they did so, indict and prosecute the case, please. But count me highly skeptical at this point.
"Ukraine nonsense"???
Nope; criminal, unethical.
Abuse of power. Conspiracy. Cover-up.
And stupid.