Socialism

[a fan]

I thought I pointed out the other day (here) how my 'industry' pays far more into Federal coffers than we take out

Nope. Not even close. And that's math for morons. You think tanks, soldiers, and Medicare money falls from the sky? Or do you think the depend on everyone paying in for those things?

Every dollar you take out via tax breaks for your industry, "someone else" needs to pay that $1 more.

Guys like you are all the same. First you make fun of socialism. Then when it's pointed out that your entire industry is entirely dependent on infrastructure that's owned and operated by the government, you're lame retort is "well, we earned that money, and we pay taxes".

First of all, no. If you did "pay it back", you wouldn't need the socialism. Because: math.

And second of all, you're telling me in vain that you "earned" your socialism.


Whine, complain, deflect, make fun------you can dance all you like, but you're sucking on the boob of Mommy Government.

Best part? If you and all those workers enjoying this government money want to stop----you can.

But you won't. Because you don't ACTUALLY care about where your money comes from. You're more than happy to keep cashing those checks, and then come on line and demand that only you get to enjoy socialism. If anyone else gets it? Oh, clutch your pearls.




One thing I will give you? You attended a Private College. Well done. In my experience, guys who whine about socialism almost always attended a State University.

[a fan]

Let's be clear. I'm no Bernie supporter.
But his tiptoeing around this stuff doesn't actually put him in the dictatorship, socialism camp.
His policies are no where near those.

Sanders advocated in the 1970s the nationalization of most major industries. According to Sanders then: “The oil industry, and the entire energy industry, should be owned by the public and used for the public good — not for additional profits for billionaires.”

Tiptoeing?

Oh no!!! That means we'd have things like government owned and operated airports!!! That Bernie guys is CRAZY!!

Can you imagine that kind of in-your-face socialism Pete Brown?

Of course, you wouldn't STAND for that, right?

[Peter Brown]

I thought I pointed out the other day (here) how my 'industry' pays far more into Federal coffers than we take out

Nope. Not even close. And that's math for morons. You think tanks, soldiers, and Medicare money falls from the sky? Or do you think the depend on everyone paying in for those things?

Every dollar you take out via tax breaks for your industry, "someone else" needs to pay that $1 more.

Guys like you are all the same. First you make fun of socialism. Then when it's pointed out that your entire industry is entirely dependent on infrastructure that's owned and operated by the government, you're lame retort is "well, we earned that money, and we pay taxes".

First of all, no. If you did "pay it back", you wouldn't need the socialism. Because: math.

And second of all, you're telling me in vain that you "earned" your socialism.


Whine, complain, deflect, make fun------you can dance all you like, but you're sucking on the boob of Mommy Government.

Best part? If you and all those workers enjoying this government money want to stop----you can.

But you won't. Because you don't ACTUALLY care about where your money comes from. You're more than happy to keep cashing those checks, and then come on line and demand that only you get to enjoy socialism. If anyone else gets it? Oh, clutch your pearls.




One thing I will give you? You attended a Private College. Well done. In my experience, guys who whine about socialism almost always attended a State University.

I did? lol. I cheer for Loyola because my dad went there, and he was, as they say, 'very involved'; my heart bleeds Hounds (btw, he was a first generation immigrant from Denmark who did well in life because he too worked endless hours - I should be clear, he was my stepdad, but I grew up with him so I always considered him my dad)

I attended the University of Florida in Gainseville Florida. Last I checked it was public, but what do I know! Tuition when I attended was less than $2,000/year. We had a lowly lacrosse club team; I played when I wasn't being force-fed-marketed-drunk by liquor companies. Evil companies.

Am I still allowed to whine?

[Peter Brown]

Shouldn't this thread be called "Democrats"?

[a fan]

I attended the University of Florida in Gainseville Florida.

Of course you did. So you attended a University owned and operated by the government. Neat. What is it with you public University guys that you don't understand that's socialism?




You don't get it: I'm happy for you and your success. I'm happy to pay for your airports and your public University.

But you don't get to complain about socialism when it's had a hand in every single part of your life.

[Peter Brown]

I attended the University of Florida in Gainseville Florida.

Of course you did. So you attended a University owned and operated by the government. Neat. What is it with you public University guys that you don't understand that's socialism?

You don't get it: I'm happy for you and your success. I'm happy to pay for your airports and your public University.

But you don't get to complain about socialism when it's had a hand in every single part of your life.

Everyone's a socialist....the Book According to a fan.

[Andersen]

Everyone's a socialist....the Book According to a fan.

Nope, just everyone who's lived in the United States since 1933.

[a fan]

Everyone's a socialist....the Book According to a fan.

Nope. According to the actual definition of the word.

The government owns and operates the airport you use to make money.

The government owns and operates the University of Florida.

Letter of the definition. But sure, keep pretending it's not.

It's the Trump era where millions of Americans have decided that Truth is for suckers....so knock yourself out, I guess.

[Peter Brown]

Everyone's a socialist....the Book According to a fan.

The government owns and operates the airport you use to make money.

That's 12 fields, actually. And, we pay ground rents (not to mention flowage fees, taxes of many sorts, etc...) for properties (ie: nothing is free in life). Plus, we built (ie: paid for) the buildings that house our operations (which in theory we own, but in actuality we aren't dismantling them after 40-year leases); that's up to $75 million of lost dosh should we abandon a field, and $75 million to the states/feds/cities.

I'm sorry, is that the sound of you surrendering, yet again? Isn't this tiring?

[a fan]

White noise.

Are the airports/landing strips you use owned by the government. Yes or no?

I pay fees to use the municipal pool. It's still owned and operated by the government.

You think because you throw money around that means "it's not socialism"?

[holmes435]

University of Florida? You're arguing against a guy who thinks jorts are the height of fashion.

That's a public school, paid for by the people to educate the people. The means of educational production are owned by the people. Socialism to a T. Unfortunately his responses only prove that socialism is a complete failure.

[DocBarrister]

White noise.

Are the airports/landing strips you use owned by the government. Yes or no?

I pay fees to use the municipal pool. It's still owned and operated by the government.

You think because you throw money around that means "it's not socialism"?

You use a municipal pool?!?

Ewwwwwww!

DocBarrister <———- Free-market capitalist when it comes to swimming pools

[DocBarrister]

I thought I pointed out the other day (here) how my 'industry' pays far more into Federal coffers than we take out

Nope. Not even close. And that's math for morons. You think tanks, soldiers, and Medicare money falls from the sky? Or do you think the depend on everyone paying in for those things?

Every dollar you take out via tax breaks for your industry, "someone else" needs to pay that $1 more.

Guys like you are all the same. First you make fun of socialism. Then when it's pointed out that your entire industry is entirely dependent on infrastructure that's owned and operated by the government, you're lame retort is "well, we earned that money, and we pay taxes".

First of all, no. If you did "pay it back", you wouldn't need the socialism. Because: math.

And second of all, you're telling me in vain that you "earned" your socialism.


Whine, complain, deflect, make fun------you can dance all you like, but you're sucking on the boob of Mommy Government.

Best part? If you and all those workers enjoying this government money want to stop----you can.

But you won't. Because you don't ACTUALLY care about where your money comes from. You're more than happy to keep cashing those checks, and then come on line and demand that only you get to enjoy socialism. If anyone else gets it? Oh, clutch your pearls.




One thing I will give you? You attended a Private College. Well done. In my experience, guys who whine about socialism almost always attended a State University.

Agree.

DocBarrister

[ABV 8.3%]

Everyone's a socialist....the Book According to a fan.

Nope, just everyone who's lived in the United States since 1933.

So Abigail and John Adams and Friends.......they did NOT get the Massachusettes state legislature to make sure the BONDS would be paid at face value now, thanks to tax payers.......that wasn't socialism? Yeah, I would call that an oligarchy.

[Brooklyn]

American communist Robert Minor admitted that Marx's patrons were all Wall Street Republicans:

[MDlaxfan76]

PB,
The point I'd tried to make to you a couple of days ago was that there's a quite substantive difference to full-on authoritarian 'socialism', which indeed has a history of delivering poor results, and the degrees of 'socialism' that exist in pretty much every democratically run, developed country, including our own.

Our democratic processes approve various degrees of governmental involvement to the benefit of the governed. It's messy, imperfect for sure. But we do accept, indeed depend upon, governmental involvement in a variety of very important ways.

Authoritarian regimes, whether socialist or fascist, ultimately tend to become kleptocracies of the few, strangling their economies for the short term benefit of the few.

A very interesting counter narrative is the China experiment, clearly authoritarian, clearly socialist, but which has been on a path of employing both capitalism and democracy (only within the Party) to create a long term success for the bulk of their society. I tend to believe that it has inherent weaknesses that may handicap them, but the experiment has decades ahead of them.

Our current challenge in the US is that we have allowed our democratic processes and resultant decisions to be overly dominated by those already with wealth, seeking more wealth and the protection of their relative status. This has led to an extreme wealth gap. While the economy overall has thrived, the distribution of benefits has been extremely imbalanced. Way too large a segment of our population has seen almost no benefit, or worse have seen a declining situation with many more hours of work required simply to maintain.

So...how best to adjust? is a valid question, one which does include elements that can be described as 'socialist', though not really fundamentally different than all sorts of government involvement today.

Authoritarianism, whether left or right, does worry me.
Socialism per se not so much.

[HooDat]

I thought I pointed out the other day (here) how my 'industry' pays far more into Federal coffers than we take out

Nope. Not even close. And that's math for morons. You think tanks, soldiers, and Medicare money falls from the sky? Or do you think the depend on everyone paying in for those things?

Every dollar you take out via tax breaks for your industry, "someone else" needs to pay that $1 more.

Guys like you are all the same. First you make fun of socialism. Then when it's pointed out that your entire industry is entirely dependent on infrastructure that's owned and operated by the government, you're lame retort is "well, we earned that money, and we pay taxes".

First of all, no. If you did "pay it back", you wouldn't need the socialism. Because: math.

And second of all, you're telling me in vain that you "earned" your socialism.


Whine, complain, deflect, make fun------you can dance all you like, but you're sucking on the boob of Mommy Government.

Best part? If you and all those workers enjoying this government money want to stop----you can.

But you won't. Because you don't ACTUALLY care about where your money comes from. You're more than happy to keep cashing those checks, and then come on line and demand that only you get to enjoy socialism. If anyone else gets it? Oh, clutch your pearls.




One thing I will give you? You attended a Private College. Well done. In my experience, guys who whine about socialism almost always attended a State University.

Agree.

DocBarrister

that's because all you private school folks can AFFORD to be socialists!!

[a fan]

I will probably write more about consistency than anything else and hopefully I am not too inconsistent myself. That was the point of my post. As you probably know.

Great to hear. You can start by heading over to the Socialism thread, and admit that yep, you like socialism just fine, and that hitting Warren for socialism was the the pot calling the kettle black.

Yes, I am an incredible socialist! I believe that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. You have got me pegged to a tee! (also you don't read posts well as you are sampling your hooch apparently all day long which sometimes I would like to do but am forbidden by company policy let alone general societal norms; I thought (I did, but who's counting) I explained rather meticulously that the government gets far more from aviation than any one player gets out of government

So you think because you pay taxes, that the fact that the government owns and operates the airfields you use "doesn't count as socialism".

Dude. Nope. Anytime you want to pay the true market price for those airfields, let me know. I'd LOVE to get my taxes back. Same goes for that University of Florida education of yours. You don't want my taxes for that little piece of socialism you enjoyed? Great news!!! When can I expect my check?

But I have to ask: what is it that you think that Warren is trying to do that counts as socialism, but "somehow" having government owned and operated airfields "doesn't count" as socialism??

and that airfields and airspace operate almost completely without any need of regulation...but who cares you are stuck in cuckoo land)

I see. So you think because "you say so", your industry isn't blowing tax dollars on security or the FAA?

Neat. Any other proclamations you'd like to make that aren't real? Santa claus is real? Easter Bunny lives in your spare bedroom?

[RedFromMI]

I just don't see that

that airfields and airspace operate almost completely without any need of regulation

as Mr. Brown says.

Try flying at 1000 feet over an airport with commercial traffic...and ignoring ATC. Also, it ain't private industry who steps in after an air crash to investigate, and then after actually figuring out what went wrong makes sure if changes in either craft or personnel are needed they happen.

[Brooklyn]

Shouldn't this thread be called "Democrats"?

Some cynics call Democrats "socialists" or "Marxists" for advancing Social Security. Little do these fools know that SS was initially proposed by that Marxist Founding Father Thomas Paine several years before Marx was born:
http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/Paine1795.pdf