Trump's Russian Collusion

[wahoomurf]

Should we also address those dead Enders who support socialism NO MATTER WHAT, in spite of the limitless historical evidence showing that it ruins societies, economies, and families?

Dude. What the firetruck are you talking about?

Guys like you kill me. Your entire EXISTENCE as a business is 100% dependent on socialism, and you are (sorry buddy) clearly either too daft or too stubborn to get it. You're the guy tailgating at the University of Alabama football game, whining about socialism, wholly unaware that you're about to watch a socialized, government football team chase a ball around on the taxpayer's dime.

Any time you want to give back the billions of taxpayer dollars that have lined your industry's pockets and give it back to taxpayers like me, let me know.

So you say you don't like socialism? Great. Put your money where your mouth is, send your high dollar lobbyists to DC, and demand that all the socialism your company gets is ended immediately. Nothing would make me happier. Start with YOUR handouts.

Then come back and talk to us. Until then, I don't want to hear it.

I thought I pointed out the other day (here) how my 'industry' pays far more into Federal coffers than we take out (we are fee'ed to death precidely because we are a healthy industry, unlike, ahem, cough, ummm, others...). Unless you want to include the manufacturers...there I can't help you...take it up with the local congressman.

Aviation (outside of the OEM's) is to my knowledge the only self funding regulatory industry in America and will get even more profitable as we phase out human traffic control.

Liquor companies OTH contribute to excessive health woes, premature deaths, car accidents, and taxpayer bailouts via liver transplants and fistfights. Fix that first. Until then, I don't want to hear it.

Can't blame you refusing to listen.Hell the gravy train you ride makes a lot of noise.

[MDlaxfan76]

Should we also address those dead Enders who support socialism NO MATTER WHAT, in spite of the limitless historical evidence showing that it ruins societies, economies, and families?

Dude. What the firetruck are you talking about?

Guys like you kill me. Your entire EXISTENCE as a business is 100% dependent on socialism, and you are (sorry buddy) clearly either too daft or too stubborn to get it. You're the guy tailgating at the University of Alabama football game, whining about socialism, wholly unaware that you're about to watch a socialized, government football team chase a ball around on the taxpayer's dime.

Any time you want to give back the billions of taxpayer dollars that have lined your industry's pockets and give it back to taxpayers like me, let me know.

So you say you don't like socialism? Great. Put your money where your mouth is, send your high dollar lobbyists to DC, and demand that all the socialism your company gets is ended immediately. Nothing would make me happier. Start with YOUR handouts.

Then come back and talk to us. Until then, I don't want to hear it.

I thought I pointed out the other day (here) how my 'industry' pays far more into Federal coffers than we take out (we are fee'ed to death precidely because we are a healthy industry, unlike, ahem, cough, ummm, others...). Unless you want to include the manufacturers...there I can't help you...take it up with the local congressman.

Aviation (outside of the OEM's) is to my knowledge the only self funding regulatory industry in America and will get even more profitable as we phase out human traffic control.

Liquor companies OTH contribute to excessive health woes, premature deaths, car accidents, and taxpayer bailouts via liver transplants and fistfights. Fix that first. Until then, I don't want to hear it.

We don't count the manufacturers as in the aviation industry?

[MDlaxfan76]

Let's be clear. I'm no Bernie supporter.
But his tiptoeing around this stuff doesn't actually put him in the dictatorship, socialism camp.
His policies are no where near those.

Sanders advocated in the 1970s the nationalization of most major industries. According to Sanders then: “The oil industry, and the entire energy industry, should be owned by the public and used for the public good — not for additional profits for billionaires.”

Tiptoeing?

That was the word used in the article you linked.

It's an interesting argument, one of those where I disagree with Sanders.
But you do realize that you and I as taxpayers subsidize the oil industry, right???
Not the other way around.

[Peter Brown]

Let's be clear. I'm no Bernie supporter.
But his tiptoeing around this stuff doesn't actually put him in the dictatorship, socialism camp.
His policies are no where near those.

Sanders advocated in the 1970s the nationalization of most major industries. According to Sanders then: “The oil industry, and the entire energy industry, should be owned by the public and used for the public good — not for additional profits for billionaires.”

Tiptoeing?

That was the word used in the article you linked.

It's an interesting argument, one of those where I disagree with Sanders.
But you do realize that you and I as taxpayers subsidize the oil industry, right???
Not the other way around.

Yes, wildcatting is all about the government handouts...zero risk to the fella's (unless you're George W). Also, Exxon in the decade to 2015 paid out $110 billion in U.S. taxes.

Do Democrats ever take the L anymore? Bernie is a hardcore socialist, and you'd recognize that if you weren't too busy making excuses for Democrats and screaming Orange Man Bad every post.

[MDlaxfan76]

Let's be clear. I'm no Bernie supporter.
But his tiptoeing around this stuff doesn't actually put him in the dictatorship, socialism camp.
His policies are no where near those.

Sanders advocated in the 1970s the nationalization of most major industries. According to Sanders then: “The oil industry, and the entire energy industry, should be owned by the public and used for the public good — not for additional profits for billionaires.”

Tiptoeing?

That was the word used in the article you linked.

It's an interesting argument, one of those where I disagree with Sanders.
But you do realize that you and I as taxpayers subsidize the oil industry, right???
Not the other way around.

Yes, wildcatting is all about the government handouts...zero risk to the fella's (unless you're George W). Also, Exxon in the decade to 2015 paid out $110 billion in U.S. taxes.

Do Democrats ever take the L anymore? Bernie is a hardcore socialist, and you'd recognize that if you weren't too busy making excuses for Democrats and screaming Orange Man Bad every post.

I realize that facts are pesky things when you just want 'simple' answers, PB, but do some more homework:

https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-s ... etal-costs

You and I agree that Bernie is too far to the left, why pick a fight with me on that?

[seacoaster]

What does this have to do with impeachment?

You guys really should put this in some Conservative vs. Liberal thread, or the Nation's Financial Condition. It's interesting; it's just not about impeachment.

[MDlaxfan76]

What does this have to do with impeachment?

You guys really should put this in some Conservative vs. Liberal thread, or the Nation's Financial Condition. It's interesting; it's just not about impeachment.

agreed; this has bled over into the wrong thread.

[a fan]

What does this have to do with impeachment?

You guys really should put this in some Conservative vs. Liberal thread, or the Nation's Financial Condition. It's interesting; it's just not about impeachment.

Done. New thread.

[LandM]

Murf,
POST one, just one thing about not making it to SBU or having my momma having to take care of me or my health preventing from meeting with you - you cannot as they do not exist - thankfully if my grandkids pursue lax you will be long gone - you tell allot of stories and unfortunately, you cannot back them up.........your nose has to be 12 feet long - I would use different words and will if you post again, I will accept my time out chair - you are NOT who you claim you are and btw I do not speak Latin or Italian which is too bad as I am Catholic an attend mass at least 4 times a week. Can you get the fact that 1. I hate having to go back and do the work; 2. I would really hate to embarrass you as you are doing a great job yourself; and 3. Your posts do exist in the archives and I will get someone to find them for me. You started Mr. Tuffy Wuffy now finish it. BTW I did take my meds today.

MD, you get tired of what I say and I am tired of what you say - you are not going to convince me and crying a river every day - nope. I agreed to stop in another thread with afan and meet him in Denver on my way to Telluride - I will do the same here. No more BUT murf, nope I am gonna be a dog chasing a bone on that one. Ethics and Honor. You keep telling me thing I already know - yep - so fix the problem, have a solution, break some china and wait, wait, just wait VOTE!

[LandM]

BTW MD,
Have the class to Impeach the guy so we do not have a 28th Amendment - he is still going to get be YOUR President in 2020 - what say the Dems?

[ggait]

Ex-NSC Kupperman was a no-show today. Could be significant in the stonewalling fight between Congress and the WH.

As a former govt employee, he'd have a tough time hiding behind executive privilege. So the WH is instead asserting the vaguer and broader concept of "constitutional immunity."

As with most things coming from the WH and DOJ on this, the claim is basically BS. But reluctant Kupperman and his lawyer (a noted conservative) are happy to play along and filed for a declaratory judgment on the issue. TBD how long it will take for the inevitable Trump loss on this, but the proceeding will certainly run the clock and slow the Dems roll.

So going forward, we'll only be hearing from folks who really want to testify -- like Bill Taylor. Any current or former officials can hide behind various BS claims of immunity or privilege if they want to avoid or delay testimony.

TBD which camp Bolton will be in. My guess is that, like Kupperman, we won't be hearing from him any time soon.

[seacoaster]

House to vote on impeachment procedures to "ensure transparency:"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

Any bets on whether Meadows and Jordan and the weird instagram guys YA follows will be appeased, and start addressing the merits of the President's wrongdoing?

[kramerica.inc]

Murf,
POST one, just one thing about not making it to SBU or having my momma having to take care of me or my health preventing from meeting with you - you cannot as they do not exist - thankfully if my grandkids pursue lax you will be long gone - you tell allot of stories and unfortunately, you cannot back them up.........your nose has to be 12 feet long - I would use different words and will if you post again, I will accept my time out chair - you are NOT who you claim you are and btw I do not speak Latin or Italian which is too bad as I am Catholic an attend mass at least 4 times a week. Can you get the fact that 1. I hate having to go back and do the work; 2. I would really hate to embarrass you as you are doing a great job yourself; and 3. Your posts do exist in the archives and I will get someone to find them for me. You started Mr. Tuffy Wuffy now finish it. BTW I did take my meds today.

Dont sweat it, L&M.

Murf is the Laxpower/Fanlax resident Cliff Claven.

His bark has not bite. Much like his stories have no truth.

Check your PMs.

[Trinity]

Gordon Sondland returned to Congress to say oh yeah huge quid pro quo.Did I leave that out? My bad..

[seacoaster]

Gordon Sondland returned to Congress to say oh yeah huge quid pro quo.Did I leave that out? My bad..

Bigly long plan to use Ukraine and taxpayer dollars for his reelection:

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1188900212397486080

But hell, always use OPM to get stuff done, right? NBD, right?

[seacoaster]

Nice primer for the legally challenged and devoted Trump-Homers:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/ ... hment.html

Warning: requires reading.

[Trinity]

Open Hearings! A House vote! Republicans must be happy as Kurds.

[runrussellrun]

AFAN wrote;
You are telling us that you're ok with Ivanka and Kushner's blatant conflict of interest, because they are "legal".

I am telling you that I am attempting to work in CHANGING what is "legal", BECAUSE of the blatant conflict of interest. They are meaningless. Non profits can just get board "approval" and bury it on a 990 form.

...so NO....I am NOT ok with it. What part of obvious aren't you getting.

suggest, to ADMIN's.......we need BIOS. Issue statements or positions. Short answers, limited space.

That way we won't have to read the 987 pages (a thousand was a bit much ) MDLaxfan will fill with untoward (in his mind) stories. How else would we evah know he once had a pedicure next to Notre Dame, which he had visited several times. Last time we went with DEAR friends, enjoyed lunch on the Rhine afterwards. Not a lick of french either...or IS/was that TLD Anyway, MDLAXfan would also let us know which brand of shotgun shells he buys, although purchased Hutzlers (meaning you don't hunt anylonger), but enjoy the Spirrow Agnew luncheon at.....

[wahoomurf]

Murf,
POST one, just one thing about not making it to SBU or having my momma having to take care of me or my health preventing from meeting with you - you cannot as they do not exist - thankfully if my grandkids pursue lax you will be long gone - you tell allot of stories and unfortunately, you cannot back them up.........your nose has to be 12 feet long - I would use different words and will if you post again, I will accept my time out chair - you are NOT who you claim you are and btw I do not speak Latin or Italian which is too bad as I am Catholic an attend mass at least 4 times a week. Can you get the fact that 1. I hate having to go back and do the work; 2. I would really hate to embarrass you as you are doing a great job yourself; and 3. Your posts do exist in the archives and I will get someone to find them for me. You started Mr. Tuffy Wuffy now finish it. BTW I did take my meds .

Now that's hilarious. Are you really going to deny your mama forbade you from going off to SBU by YOURSELF? She made a wise decision.Pay attention to her.

Pleased you took your meds today.Remember to take them EVERY DAY. It won't cure you but it may help with your therapy.

Have no fear.This imaginary Tuffy Wuffy is just one of your hallucinations. The new LSD therapy you COULD be receiving at the V.A. Hospital is damn successful for many that suffer your afflictions.Discuss it with your therapeutic coordinator and he/she may add it to your regimen.

The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church has issued a nihil obstat on the use of hallucinogens in treatment of severe cases.The ls NOT an alternative to EXORCISM which is a solution you may need if less dramatic treatments fail.

Wow.You grew a 12 foot nose by telling ALLOT of stories to your grandchildren? Did you tutor them with their spelling as well?

Thank Yahweh you won't be teaching your grandkids the sport of lacrosse. You have neither the emotional maturity nor the psychological makeup to attempt such an undertaking. To say nothing of you physical limitations.

[wahoomurf]

Murf,
POST one, just one thing about not making it to SBU or having my momma having to take care of me or my health preventing from meeting with you - you cannot as they do not exist - thankfully if my grandkids pursue lax you will be long gone - you tell allot of stories and unfortunately, you cannot back them up.........your nose has to be 12 feet long - I would use different words and will if you post again, I will accept my time out chair - you are NOT who you claim you are and btw I do not speak Latin or Italian which is too bad as I am Catholic an attend mass at least 4 times a week. Can you get the fact that 1. I hate having to go back and do the work; 2. I would really hate to embarrass you as you are doing a great job yourself; and 3. Your posts do exist in the archives and I will get someone to find them for me. You started Mr. Tuffy Wuffy now finish it. BTW I did take my meds .

Now that's hilarious. Are you really going to deny your mama forbade you from going off to SBU by YOURSELF? She made a wise decision.Pay attention to her.

Pleased you took your meds today.Remember to take them EVERY DAY. It won't cure you but it may help with your therapy.

Have no fear.This imaginary Tuffy Wuffy is just one of your hallucinations. The new LSD therapy you COULD be receiving at the V.A. Hospital is damn successful for many that suffer your afflictions.Discuss it with your therapeutic coordinator and he/she may add it to your regimen.

The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church has issued a nihil obstat on the use of hallucinogens in treatment of severe cases.The ls NOT an alternative to EXORCISM which is a solution you may need if less dramatic treatments fail.

Wow.You grew a 12 foot nose by telling ALLOT of stories to your grandchildren? Did you tutor them with their spelling as well?

Thank Yahweh you won't be teaching your grandkids the sport of lacrosse. You have neither the emotional maturity nor the psychological makeup to attempt such an undertaking. To say nothing of you physical limitations.