Trump's Russian Collusion

[LandM]

MD,
Name ONE time where I have said that Trump is NOT the problem. Point me to a post, Happy to eat some leather if you can.

TLD,
The Japanese stole the technology - best part about the movie - the intellectuals got spoofed - love when the low-lives - my JR year at the Academy I was called that by an 0-3 - red badge of courage:) - get the W

[6ftstick]

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MD, I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution, I know I have read it. It has lost humor when daily you hear what a jerk the guy is. I suppose now he should have KIA the guy a few years ago. I really do not get why everyone has to be investigated, accused of something and then be called a jerk and a liar...and FTR, I am including HRC in that. The average person could care less what a smart, enlightened, intellectual believes - get over it man.

Yes, I assumed that you had taken that oath, just like I assumed that you are a graduate of a service academy, have served, are patriotic, etc.

However, you daily provide evidence of not understanding the Constitution or how our laws and governance actually work, indeed the 'genius' our founders' construction, its modifications over time, and the decisions of the courts interpreting this all.

Again, that's not really a surprise as so many in our country have a really poor understanding, though many profess reverence for it. But it's not too late, nor is it that difficult to just follow along on these threads when folks explain these matters.

Not sure what you mean with the "KIA" comment. Are you referring to someone suggesting that Baghdadi should have been killed years ago, a (stupid) criticism of Trump? Haven't heard that one myself. But you do understand that Trump leveled that criticism at Obama re Bin Laden, right? It was a ridiculous critique. No one should be leveling that criticism in this case either.

But, yeah, Trump was pretty awful in his comments post the prepared text.

You keep saying "get over it man"...no, you need to "get over it" that Presidents get criticized.

When they're "jerks", that's the criticism.
When they're corrupt, that's the criticism.
When they lie, that's the criticism.
When they hire folks who self-deal, lie to Congress or the FBI, or commit other unethical or illegal acts, that will be the criticism.
When they abuse their powers, obstruct justice, or commit other corrupt acts, that will be the criticism...and should lead to impeachment.

You seem to just not understand that Trump is the issue, not those who criticize.

Of course, if you prefer to live in a country in which dissent and critique of those in power is retrained...
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Trump isn't the issue.

The issue is the democrats seeking to reverse the 2016 election. And their willingness to undo the constitution and to use the most powerful arms of the federal government to achieve their goal—With an unwavering/unquestioning support from the main street media. 3 plus years of throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Here is Trump's issue:



Pretty much sums it up.....

[MDlaxfan76]

6ft,
Sure, it's all made up...even what we see and hear him say for ourselves.

[wahoomurf]

"HIGH NOON" in D.C. No Gary Cooper vs Lee Van Cleef in this version. Rather the U.S. Head of State's Personal Attorney, WP Barr vs. the U.S. Congress.Should be interesting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/us/p ... trump.html

[Trinity]

Bolton needs to explain the “drug deal” in Ukraine.

[dislaxxic]

Yet not a peep outta 6 inch and his ilk when

Benghazi
Birtherism
Merrick Garland
ObamaCare
Financial sector bailout
etc., etc., ETC

It's a symptom of the intellectual rot we see in the country, and which will NOT go away once Don the Con is removed from office one way or another. This group of people, loosely referred to as the "Trump Base"...the dead-enders that will support him NO MATTER WHAT...needs to be addressed or else we will continue to have this situation where a vocale and largely uninformed minority of the country continue to force us all in directions that neither make sense nor are CLOSE to good, sound policy directions for governing the USoA in 2019 and beyond.

THAT'S what needs to be resisted...not so much the small man that is the figurehead for that lost group...

...and YEAH, that's what many of us in here are doing in our own small way, resisting this un-hinged group of bubble-dwellers...

..

[MDlaxfan76]

MD,
Name ONE time where I have said that Trump is NOT the problem. Point me to a post, Happy to eat some leather if you can.

Every single time you tell us to 'get over it' or tell us that we should change the policy or the law or some other baloney deflection from simply accepting that Trump brings the criticism on himself, not simply for being a "jerk" but because he actually lies so egregiously, actually is corrupt, actually does abuse his office, actually does obstruct justice.

That's on him, not those who criticize.

[Peter Brown]

Yet not a peep outta 6 inch and his ilk when

Benghazi
Birtherism
Merrick Garland
ObamaCare
Financial sector bailout
etc., etc., ETC

It's a symptom of the intellectual rot we see in the country, and which will NOT go away once Don the Con is removed from office one way or another. This group of people, loosely referred to as the "Trump Base"...the dead-enders that will support him NO MATTER WHAT...needs to be addressed or else we will continue to have this situation where a vocale and largely uninformed minority of the country continue to force us all in directions that neither make sense nor are CLOSE to good, sound policy directions for governing the USoA in 2019 and beyond.

THAT'S what needs to be resisted...not so much the small man that is the figurehead for that lost group...

...and YEAH, that's what many of us in here are doing in our own small way, resisting this un-hinged group of bubble-dwellers...

..

Should we also address those dead Enders who support socialism NO MATTER WHAT, in spite of the limitless historical evidence showing that it ruins societies, economies, and families?

[dislaxxic]

Try to keep up, PB. Af has described in great detail, how socialism is alive and well and functioning quite well (for some) in our country right now. Remember the farmer bailout after the Dumpster Fire's tariffs caused them so much pain. That's simply ONE example. Find the many others catalogued by AF and others in these pages, before you go making such baseless quips, K?

..

[MDlaxfan76]

Yet not a peep outta 6 inch and his ilk when

Benghazi
Birtherism
Merrick Garland
ObamaCare
Financial sector bailout
etc., etc., ETC

It's a symptom of the intellectual rot we see in the country, and which will NOT go away once Don the Con is removed from office one way or another. This group of people, loosely referred to as the "Trump Base"...the dead-enders that will support him NO MATTER WHAT...needs to be addressed or else we will continue to have this situation where a vocale and largely uninformed minority of the country continue to force us all in directions that neither make sense nor are CLOSE to good, sound policy directions for governing the USoA in 2019 and beyond.

THAT'S what needs to be resisted...not so much the small man that is the figurehead for that lost group...

...and YEAH, that's what many of us in here are doing in our own small way, resisting this un-hinged group of bubble-dwellers...

..

Should we also address those dead Enders who support socialism NO MATTER WHAT, in spite of the limitless historical evidence showing that it ruins societies, economies, and families?

Sure, those who advocate Venezuela-style "socialism".
I'm sure you could find some true believers out there, somewhere.

But which Dem candidates advocate that level of government control?
Even Bernie is no where close.

[Peter Brown]

You mean this “Bernie”?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... alism.html

When you’ve lost Slate...

[Peter Brown]

You mean this “Bernie”?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... alism.html

When you’ve lost Slate...

Or this Bernie?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html


I mean, who wouldn’t want to honeymoon in the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War and sing songs denouncing the United States?!

[a fan]

Corruption usually ='s illegal activity, yes? (It does in my world ) Unethical behavior (says WHO? ) Again, unethical behavior and violations of such are usually enforced by some body or agency.

Not at all. Conflicts of interest are not illegal. Hence Barr is still at work, even though the NY Bar association asked that he recuse himself on anything surrounding Ukraine.

Same goes for Prestwick Airport. Legal. Totally corrupt.

Moreover, who makes the decision if what Ivanka, Kush, and Trump are doing regarding their family business and government is illegal?

Barr. And he reports to Trump. Another conflict of interest. But perfectly legal.

When my wife worked for the State government, it was perfectly legal for her to steer meetings to my place of business, so long as it met their pricing requirements. But would I ever let that happen? Hell, no. That's a conflict of interest, and an affront to my fellow taxpayers.



You are telling us that you're ok with Ivanka and Kushner's blatant conflict of interest, because they are "legal".

So I ask again, a direct question: are you ok with corruption so long as it is legal? Not being coy. Asking a very simple question.

[a fan]

Should we also address those dead Enders who support socialism NO MATTER WHAT, in spite of the limitless historical evidence showing that it ruins societies, economies, and families?

Dude. What the firetruck are you talking about?

Guys like you kill me. Your entire EXISTENCE as a business is 100% dependent on socialism, and you are (sorry buddy) clearly either too daft or too stubborn to get it. You're the guy tailgating at the University of Alabama football game, whining about socialism, wholly unaware that you're about to watch a socialized, government football team chase a ball around on the taxpayer's dime.

Any time you want to give back the billions of taxpayer dollars that have lined your industry's pockets and give it back to taxpayers like me, let me know.

So you say you don't like socialism? Great. Put your money where your mouth is, send your high dollar lobbyists to DC, and demand that all the socialism your company gets is ended immediately. Nothing would make me happier. Start with YOUR handouts.

Then come back and talk to us. Until then, I don't want to hear it.

[MDlaxfan76]

You mean this “Bernie”?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... alism.html

When you’ve lost Slate...

Or this Bernie?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html


I mean, who wouldn’t want to honeymoon in the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War and sing songs denouncing the United States?!

Let's be clear. I'm no Bernie supporter.
But his tiptoeing around this stuff doesn't actually put him in the dictatorship, socialism camp.
His policies are no where near those.

And yeah, I don't want Bernie-level socialism either. Nor Warren's.
But It's just ridiculous to conflate their policies with Venezuela style control.

And it's entirely hypocritical to pretend that we don't already have significant levels of 'socialism' as fundamental, and in most cases positive, parts of our economy and government.

[Peter Brown]

Should we also address those dead Enders who support socialism NO MATTER WHAT, in spite of the limitless historical evidence showing that it ruins societies, economies, and families?

Dude. What the firetruck are you talking about?

Guys like you kill me. Your entire EXISTENCE as a business is 100% dependent on socialism, and you are (sorry buddy) clearly either too daft or too stubborn to get it. You're the guy tailgating at the University of Alabama football game, whining about socialism, wholly unaware that you're about to watch a socialized, government football team chase a ball around on the taxpayer's dime.

Any time you want to give back the billions of taxpayer dollars that have lined your industry's pockets and give it back to taxpayers like me, let me know.

So you say you don't like socialism? Great. Put your money where your mouth is, send your high dollar lobbyists to DC, and demand that all the socialism your company gets is ended immediately. Nothing would make me happier. Start with YOUR handouts.

Then come back and talk to us. Until then, I don't want to hear it.

I thought I pointed out the other day (here) how my 'industry' pays far more into Federal coffers than we take out (we are fee'ed to death precidely because we are a healthy industry, unlike, ahem, cough, ummm, others...). Unless you want to include the manufacturers...there I can't help you...take it up with the local congressman.

Aviation (outside of the OEM's) is to my knowledge the only self funding regulatory industry in America and will get even more profitable as we phase out human traffic control.

Liquor companies OTH contribute to excessive health woes, premature deaths, car accidents, and taxpayer bailouts via liver transplants and fistfights. Fix that first. Until then, I don't want to hear it.

[wahoomurf]

Woomeruff or whoever you are,
You got the wrong dude - you did the exact same thing with a friend called Sore and Old in the old forum. Stated he was a Marine and you beat him up - he told you multiple, multiple times that he was never in the military nor at Camp Pendleton. You started this whole tough guy attitude and a few people have called you out on it. If you want, give me a few hours and I will repeat your post if I can find it on the old thread and I have also said you may have served with people I know....that was it. I will be there in February - break some China. You talk about meds and drinking - maybe you should look in a mirror and be honest with yourself. I volunteer at my local VA - meds and alcohol are the issues.

BTW my mom has dementia, lives in a nursing home and has no clue who I am and you can think of me as you will but momma's boy is not one anyone has accused me of;

Further I was at SBU last Feb, and shook the hand of the receipt award winner. I asked to meet with you and you rudely declined. It is in the history books of laxpwer/fanlax, your false claims are not - stop lying - if you did what you say, live by the Honor Code.

MD, I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution, I know I have read it. It has lost humor when daily you hear what a jerk the guy is. I suppose now he should have KIA the guy a few years ago. I really do not get why everyone has to be investigated, accused of something and then be called a jerk and a liar...and FTR, I am including HRC in that. The average person could care less what a smart, enlightened, intellectual believes - get over it man.

Woomeruff called Sore and Old in the old forum "an exact same thing"? And if this Woomeruff beat up Sore And Old or any anyone else for that matter, he should be tossed in the hoosegow.

As to this old form to which you allude.I assume you're referring to the form outlined in The Marquess of Queensberry Rules.Not sure if many folks adhere to those outmoded rules in 2019.

Another fascinating post.Merci.

[Peter Brown]

Let's be clear. I'm no Bernie supporter.
But his tiptoeing around this stuff doesn't actually put him in the dictatorship, socialism camp.
His policies are no where near those.

Sanders advocated in the 1970s the nationalization of most major industries. According to Sanders then: “The oil industry, and the entire energy industry, should be owned by the public and used for the public good — not for additional profits for billionaires.”

Tiptoeing?

[wahoomurf]

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MD, I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution, I know I have read it. It has lost humor when daily you hear what a jerk the guy is. I suppose now he should have KIA the guy a few years ago. I really do not get why everyone has to be investigated, accused of something and then be called a jerk and a liar...and FTR, I am including HRC in that. The average person could care less what a smart, enlightened, intellectual believes - get over it man.

Yes, I assumed that you had taken that oath, just like I assumed that you are a graduate of a service academy, have served, are patriotic, etc.

However, you daily provide evidence of not understanding the Constitution or how our laws and governance actually work, indeed the 'genius' our founders' construction, its modifications over time, and the decisions of the courts interpreting this all.

Again, that's not really a surprise as so many in our country have a really poor understanding, though many profess reverence for it. But it's not too late, nor is it that difficult to just follow along on these threads when folks explain these matters.

Not sure what you mean with the "KIA" comment. Are you referring to someone suggesting that Baghdadi should have been killed years ago, a (stupid) criticism of Trump? Haven't heard that one myself. But you do understand that Trump leveled that criticism at Obama re Bin Laden, right? It was a ridiculous critique. No one should be leveling that criticism in this case either.

But, yeah, Trump was pretty awful in his comments post the prepared text.

You keep saying "get over it man"...no, you need to "get over it" that Presidents get criticized.

When they're "jerks", that's the criticism.
When they're corrupt, that's the criticism.
When they lie, that's the criticism.
When they hire folks who self-deal, lie to Congress or the FBI, or commit other unethical or illegal acts, that will be the criticism.
When they abuse their powers, obstruct justice, or commit other corrupt acts, that will be the criticism...and should lead to impeachment.

You seem to just not understand that Trump is the issue, not those who criticize.

Of course, if you prefer to live in a country in which dissent and critique of those in power is retrained...

Trump isn't the issue.

The issue is the democrats seeking to reverse the 2016 election. And their willingness to undo the constitution and to use the most powerful arms of the federal government to achieve their goal—With an unwavering/unquestioning support from the main street media. 3 plus years of throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.
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HILARIOUS.