Trump's Russian Collusion

[old salt]

The concept that the US backed down, moved 30 guys from the border because Trump was afraid of the Turkish military is laughable. Trump wanted to make this move and it had nothing to do with the military facts on the ground.

.. ...Wag the Goat ?

Pompeo, Esper & Milley disagree. They were on the call & recommended pulling back the tethered goats.

Jeffrey testified that they'd been preparing for this contingency since last Dec.
Leaving the observers in place would not have deterred the Turks incursion.

[kramerica.inc]

What's expected to come of this "impeachment?"

[jhu72]

The concept that the US backed down, moved 30 guys from the border because Trump was afraid of the Turkish military is laughable. Trump wanted to make this move and it had nothing to do with the military facts on the ground.

.. ...Wag the Goat ?

Pompeo, Esper & Milley disagree. They were on the call & recommended pulling back the tethered goats.

Jeffrey testified that they'd been preparing for this contingency since last Dec.
Leaving the observers in place would not have deterred the Turks incursion.

Face saving to make it appear everyone was on the same sheet of music before hand. They clearly weren't! Why did the military claim they had no idea before the event that this was going to happen? They were surprised. Now you guys want to make this sound like it was a plan. Sure it was.

[a fan]

The newest old standard was sentence first, trial second. Now it's sentence first, no trial at all. Salem witch trials are back in vogue.

Nope.

The "old standard" for both Clinton and Nixon was: the Attorney General appointed an independent prosecutor a FULL YEAR before impeachment proceedings started. And, of course, even longer for Ken Starr's game.

I'm guessing that neither you nor anyone else making this fake complaint about protocol will direct their ire, in their longing for "doing it the right way" to AG Barr, where it belongs. What you should be asking is: Why isn't Attorney General Barr launching an investigation?

And, of course, we all know why. Barr is compromised. Plain as day.

You just want to fling poo at Pelosi, and have zero interest in actual protocol.

[jhu72]

Yup, Barr hoisting all the Trumpnista on their own petard.

[Typical Lax Dad]

What's expected to come of this "impeachment?"

That checks and balances in government will persist. Would you rather it not? (serious question)

[a fan]

What's expected to come of this "impeachment?"

Same thing that came out turning over rocks with the Benghazi "investigation". A "gotcha" moment.


If you asked 1,000 Americans, I'd bet not one of them could tell you that it was the Benghazi investigation that found Hillary's server.

That investigation worked, and took Hillary down.

So it's funny watching all these Republicans clutching at pearls, feigning outrage over this stuff.

What comes around goes around, like it or not. The Republicans put together the blueprint, and Pelosi if following the prints. OF COURSE the Dems are going to do this. Every future Congress will find a way to do this to their political enemies.

We did this to ourselves.

[kramerica.inc]

What's expected to come of this "impeachment?"

That checks and balances in government will persist. Would you rather it not? (serious question)

So the impeachment is a checks and balances, process-oriented thing, rather than goal specific action?

[kramerica.inc]

What's expected to come of this "impeachment?"

Same thing that came out turning over rocks with the Benghazi "investigation". A "gotcha" moment.


If you asked 1,000 Americans, I'd bet not one of them could tell you that it was the Benghazi investigation that found Hillary's server.

That investigation worked, and took Hillary down.

So it's funny watching all these Republicans clutching at pearls, feigning outrage over this stuff.

What comes around goes around, like it or not. The Republicans put together the blueprint, and Pelosi if following the prints. OF COURSE the Dems are going to do this. Every future Congress will find a way to do this to their political enemies.

We did this to ourselves.

Agreed. And the resist, protest, and delay tactics were another thing we did to ourselves.

[seacoaster]

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... culation=1

Do they not understand he thinks of them as circus performers?

[Peter Brown]

The newest old standard was sentence first, trial second. Now it's sentence first, no trial at all. Salem witch trials are back in vogue.

Nope.

The "old standard" for both Clinton and Nixon was: the Attorney General appointed an independent prosecutor a FULL YEAR before impeachment proceedings started. And, of course, even longer for Ken Starr's game.

I'm guessing that neither you nor anyone else making this fake complaint about protocol will direct their ire, in their longing for "doing it the right way" to AG Barr, where it belongs. What you should be asking is: Why isn't Attorney General Barr launching an investigation?

And, of course, we all know why. Barr is compromised. Plain as day.

You just want to fling poo at Pelosi, and have zero interest in actual protocol.

Thsi kind of hysteria leads directly to Trump's re-election. Everything's a crisis, every critic has the same talking points; more importantly, every critic has a problem for every solution.

C'mon a fan...February 5th is National No Clothes Day, betcha didn't know that! Point is: relax, all is well in America. (by the way, am I allowed to think both Nancy Pelosi and Bob Barr are really good people doing their level best?...cause I do )

[old salt]

The concept that the US backed down, moved 30 guys from the border because Trump was afraid of the Turkish military is laughable. Trump wanted to make this move and it had nothing to do with the military facts on the ground.

.. ...Wag the Goat ?

Pompeo, Esper & Milley disagree. They were on the call & recommended pulling back the tethered goats.

Jeffrey testified that they'd been preparing for this contingency since last Dec.
Leaving the observers in place would not have deterred the Turks incursion.

Face saving to make it appear everyone was on the same sheet of music before hand. They clearly weren't! Why did the military claim they had no idea before the event that this was going to happen? They were surprised. Now you guys want to make this sound like it was a plan. Sure it was.

According to Jeffrey's testimony, they were all (including Trump) surprised by Eredogan's abrupt decision to move.
It was a fair warning notification, not a negotiation.
All military to military & diplomat to diplomat indications were that the Joint Security Mechanism was holding & satisfactory.

[seacoaster]

What's expected to come of this "impeachment?"

Same thing that came out turning over rocks with the Benghazi "investigation". A "gotcha" moment.


If you asked 1,000 Americans, I'd bet not one of them could tell you that it was the Benghazi investigation that found Hillary's server.

That investigation worked, and took Hillary down.

So it's funny watching all these Republicans clutching at pearls, feigning outrage over this stuff.

What comes around goes around, like it or not. The Republicans put together the blueprint, and Pelosi if following the prints. OF COURSE the Dems are going to do this. Every future Congress will find a way to do this to their political enemies.

We did this to ourselves.

Agreed. And the resist, protest, and delay tactics were another thing we did to ourselves.

None of us used public money to buy personal political favors from foreign governments. Trump is not to be normalized; he really is a special kind of mistake.

[njbill]

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... culation=1

Do they not understand he thinks of them as circus performers?

Yup. Barking seals, balancing balls on their noses.

[Peter Brown]

What's expected to come of this "impeachment?"

TV ratings, politicians coming to you for more campaign dosh, and general hysteria on Internet boards with Democrats screaming "GUILTY" and Republicans saying "UN-AMERICAN".

Meanwhile we all go about going to work and church, paying the bills, and finding love-laughter-tears out of real life.

[kramerica.inc]

What's expected to come of this "impeachment?"

Same thing that came out turning over rocks with the Benghazi "investigation". A "gotcha" moment.


If you asked 1,000 Americans, I'd bet not one of them could tell you that it was the Benghazi investigation that found Hillary's server.

That investigation worked, and took Hillary down.

So it's funny watching all these Republicans clutching at pearls, feigning outrage over this stuff.

What comes around goes around, like it or not. The Republicans put together the blueprint, and Pelosi if following the prints. OF COURSE the Dems are going to do this. Every future Congress will find a way to do this to their political enemies.

We did this to ourselves.

Agreed. And the resist, protest, and delay tactics were another thing we did to ourselves.

None of us used public money to buy personal political favors from foreign governments. Trump is not to be normalized; he really is a special kind of mistake.

I was referring to congress (on both sides) normalizing that tactic.

[njbill]

(by the way, am I allowed to think both Nancy Pelosi and Bob Barr are really good people doing their level best?...cause I do )

Well, you are half right.

[Peter Brown]

According to Jeffrey's testimony, they were all (including Trump) surprised by Eredogan's abrupt decision to move.
It was a fair warning notification, not a negotiation.
All military to military & diplomat to diplomat indications were that the Joint Security Mechanism was holding & satisfactory.

^^
Reporting this post to the Mods for not following the rules of being overly dramatic and full of hyperbole.

[Typical Lax Dad]

What's expected to come of this "impeachment?"

That checks and balances in government will persist. Would you rather it not? (serious question)

So the impeachment is a checks and balances, process-oriented thing, rather than goal specific action?

You didn’t ask what it was. You asked what does one expect to come of it. I listed one possibility....Btw, impeachment is a process. Not sure it’s simply boiled down to a single event.

[kramerica.inc]

Gotcha.

You an engineer by any chance?