Progressive Ideology

[Bandito]

Progressive ideology:
1. Open Borders and wanting Illegals to vote - not true
2. Socialism - define socialism
3. High Taxes - nope, fair taxation vs taxing labor more than capital.
4. More money for a failing education system- anti school choice. vs giving .gov money to for profit organizations, dam right.
5. There are more than 2 genders try to avoid speaking about issues where you really have no perspective
6. Guilty until proven innocent and to believe all women except accusers of Bill Clinton, Keith Ellison etc guilty until proven innocent is for a trial, right?
7. Governmental take over of health care and the economy something has to change, most expensive, with mediocre outcomes.
8. High poverty rates for minorities not worth a comment
9. High unemployment for minorities not worth a comment
10. Party of Antifa and Fascism true, ANTIFA is a left wing anarchist group.
11. Party of Racism and plantation politics yea, like a hundred years ago
12. Call blacks token negroes, uncle Toms and traitors to their race when they think for themselves and are Republicans not worthy of comment
13. Believe all women even when no facts are involved in the allegations not worthy of comment
14. When they don't get their way, they violently attack Republicans at restaurants, their places of work, the softball field etc. Which is well chronicled in another thread. not worthy of comment
15. Democrats are the anti American party. not worthy of comment

LOL. So many no comments. Actually none of what your wrote makes any sense and all you did was deflect. You just hate that your political ideology is finally getting exposed for the fraud that it is. Good luck during the midterms. You are going to need it. Saying that Democrats aren't the racist party nor want illegals to cross the border and vote is so laughable it is embarassing you don't even know what your own party stands for! salut1 bang1

[Bandito]

If you think your life sucks, just imagine being a Democrat- your spokesperson rotates between a 28 year old socialist, a low IQ con artist, a person who wrote an article chronicling his sexual assault of a woman in college and also called himself Spartacus despite the documents during the Kav hearing having already been released, a Marxist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union, a criminal who lost the most winnable election of our lifetime and a fake Native American And 92% of the media is negative towards Trump and you all still suck! LOL

[DMac]

dito, need a favor, bro. Can you direct me to stats that show what the average white American's % of Native American DNA is? You posted on another thread that Warren's is less than the average white American's. What is the average white American's?
Is it possible that you're spreading (falling for) fake news here?

[Bandito]

dito, need a favor, bro. Can you direct me to stats that show what the average white American's % of Native American DNA is? You posted on another thread that Warren's is less than the average white American's. What is the average white American's?
Is it possible that you're spreading (falling for) fake news here?

Easy Peezy

Here is a NYT article showing how white European Americans are https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/scie ... study.html

“The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, .19 percent African, and .18 Native American,” The Times reported in 2014.

Warren is 1/1024 or .0009 Native American and not American Indian but from Central and South America.

Warren is whiter than the average European American.

https://www.infowars.com/warren-mocked- ... -heritage/

Between this and the Kavanaugh circus, Democrats stand to lose big in a few weeks. What morons!

This Warren NA situation also proves how deep in bed the Fake News Media is with the Democrats. CNN and the Boston Globe were giddy over the findings yet didn't realize the study proves she is whiter than white! LOL You can't make this stuff up.

[DMac]

Thanks, pretty much what I suspected:
From your link,

"Jeffrey C. Long, an anthropologist at the University of New Mexico who was not involved in the study, cautioned that the research was not based on a random sample of Americans. Instead, Dr. Mountain and her colleagues studied only people who were curious enough about their DNA to pay for a test.

“Perhaps people who have mixed ancestry are more interested in their ancestry than people who don’t think they have mixed ancestry,” Dr. Long said.

David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard University and a co-author on the new study, acknowledged this was a reasonable concern. “It’s classic survey bias,” he said. But Dr. Reich also noted that the new results were consistent with smaller studies done in the past."

This is the same outfit our Prez doesn't trust the results of, right?
Still a man believes what he wants to believe and disregards the rest. Believe this though, no one knows what the average white American's % of Native American DNA is.

[Bandito]

Thanks, pretty much what I suspected:
From your link,

"Jeffrey C. Long, an anthropologist at the University of New Mexico who was not involved in the study, cautioned that the research was not based on a random sample of Americans. Instead, Dr. Mountain and her colleagues studied only people who were curious enough about their DNA to pay for a test.

“Perhaps people who have mixed ancestry are more interested in their ancestry than people who don’t think they have mixed ancestry,” Dr. Long said.

David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard University and a co-author on the new study, acknowledged this was a reasonable concern. “It’s classic survey bias,” he said. But Dr. Reich also noted that the new results were consistent with smaller studies done in the past."

This is the same outfit our Prez doesn't trust the results of, right?
Still a man believes what he wants to believe and disregards the rest. Believe this though, no one knows what the average white American's % of Native American DNA is.

So you believe Warren is a Native American? She is 1/1024th! Which is whiter than white! LOL. To identify as a NA you need to be 1/4 or 1/8. She used racial fraud to promote her career which you'd think the Demcrats, being very much in favor of helping minorities (truth be told, this is a farce and they keep them dependant on gov assistance to help grow their dwindling voter base), would be up in arms over Warren lying about her heritage. Again, this proves Democrats only care about Democrats, not minorities and certainly not Americans as they want illegal aliens to replace the ever dwindling black voter base. Black approval of Donald Trump is in the 30s.

[runrussellrun]

I'm more concerned with why Warren didn't go to her $cientist colleagues at the YARD. What, no good DNA $cientist$ in Cambridge?

[Bandito]

I'm more concerned with why Warren didn't go to her $cientist colleagues at the YARD. What, no good DNA $cientist$ in Cambridge?

Because they know she is whiter than a cracker brusht1

[runrussellrun]

Gaining traction.... #WalkAway The true Democrats may need to hit the reset button and sever ties with the far left progressives.

aww...that's cute. Soft, evocative piano music...a professional video with soft fades and powerful looking photos...

I can see why this wasn't posted in the "GOP, Past and Present" thread. It's because the conversation over there has been showing lately what a SHAM conservatism is, and has been, for most Americans. Most all except the 1%, who should, bby now, be "trickling down" all SORTS of good stuff for the rest off us schlubs. It's not happening...never was GONNA happen with that sorry excuse for an ideology for advancement. Trumpism has piled astronomical levels of debt on us and our grandchildren while throwing the sugar-high headfake brought on by tax cuts and deregulation.

The "truth"?? What has Trumpism DONE for any of those people? Trump is heaping debt upon those people and isn't finding them jobs in the coal industry, or any OTHER manufacturing job for that matter. A nice service job or two or three, perhaps. The recent immigrants in those soft fading pictures likely don't have adequate healthcare...and their family relations may be getting sent home to another country without their children. If they don't have a street address on their ID, they very likely won't even be able to vote.

These things happen because the conservative ideology all this time, has been dead WRONG about the best ways to lift our country up and spread prosperity across all classes and socio-economic levels.

These people walk away from Progressivism at their own peril.

..

Go ahead, I dare you. Make GovTrack your friend. Show us all how the pretends (both sides) voted on the biggest budget ever. HINT: Vote took place on Sept. 26. Here, you like links.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/115-2018/h405

And meanwhile, over 80% of US citizens agree with me.......hate them all. ( And somehow, on this website, I'm the odd guy out? that TAATS isn't real, on the things that matter? Spending our money )

[runrussellrun]

I'm more concerned with why Warren didn't go to her $cientist colleagues at the YARD. What, no good DNA $cientist$ in Cambridge?

Because they know she is whiter than a cracker brusht1

No, she is nuts:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... /3481/text

[jhu72]

A little truth is called for.

The genetic test showed a range of certainty that ran between 1/64 and 1/1024. Her Native American makeup could be anywhere from approximately .1% to 1.6%. The test could be no more certain than this. The quoted .18% in the average European American is on the low side of Warren's range. She most likely has greater degree of Native American blood than the average European American. 1/256 being the center of the range, .4%. The most likely result of the test is more than twice the quoted European American average.

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/20 ... d-dna-test

Let's not let science get in the way of your bias.

[runrussellrun]

Seriously, who gives a rats ass about this. She is a fool for even bringing the issue up, ever.

Did Liz Warren vote YES to approve an continue tRumps big bad war machine effort? ooopppps. THAT is what matters.

[youthathletics]

A little truth is called for.

The genetic test showed a range of certainty that ran between 1/64 and 1/1024. Her Native American makeup could be anywhere from approximately .1% to 1.6%. The test could be no more certain than this. The quoted .18% in the average European American is on the low side of Warren's range. She most likely has greater degree of Native American blood than the average European American. 1/256 being the center of the range, .4%. The most likely result of the test is more than twice the quoted European American average.

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/20 ... d-dna-test

Agreed...about a little truth;.

According to a report by the Boston Globe, there is no Native American DNA available for genetic testing “because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases.” (RELATED: Boston Globe Issues Major Correction On Liz Warren’s Ancestry Claims)

Therefore, in order to test for Native American ancestry, genetic researchers have to use samples from other parts of the world.
Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor, used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to attempt to calculate how much Native American ancestry is in Warren’s DNA.

“To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American. That’s because scientists believe that the groups Americans refer to as Native American came to this land via the Bering Strait about 12,000 years ago and settled in what’s now America but also migrated further south,” the Boston Globe explained.

According to the American Indian and Alaska Native Genetics Resource Center, no DNA test can “prove” that someone is American Indian because there are no unique genes for American Indian ancestry.

[DMac]

Thanks, pretty much what I suspected:
From your link,

"Jeffrey C. Long, an anthropologist at the University of New Mexico who was not involved in the study, cautioned that the research was not based on a random sample of Americans. Instead, Dr. Mountain and her colleagues studied only people who were curious enough about their DNA to pay for a test.

“Perhaps people who have mixed ancestry are more interested in their ancestry than people who don’t think they have mixed ancestry,” Dr. Long said.

David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard University and a co-author on the new study, acknowledged this was a reasonable concern. “It’s classic survey bias,” he said. But Dr. Reich also noted that the new results were consistent with smaller studies done in the past."

This is the same outfit our Prez doesn't trust the results of, right?
Still a man believes what he wants to believe and disregards the rest. Believe this though, no one knows what the average white American's % of Native American DNA is.

So you believe Warren is a Native American? She is 1/1024th! Which is whiter than white! LOL. To identify as a NA you need to be 1/4 or 1/8. She used racial fraud to promote her career which you'd think the Demcrats, being very much in favor of helping minorities (truth be told, this is a farce and they keep them dependant on gov assistance to help grow their dwindling voter base), would be up in arms over Warren lying about her heritage. Again, this proves Democrats only care about Democrats, not minorities and certainly not Americans as they want illegal aliens to replace the ever dwindling black voter base. Black approval of Donald Trump is in the 30s.

I have no idea whether she's Native American (part) or not, seems to me as if people just believe what they want to believe. Further, I could care less.
You say she used her ethnicity to promote her career, again, I think this is just something people choose to believe and/or use as fake news.

"Several newly unearthed student and personnel records from the schools at which she taught or attended show that Warren either listed herself as white, or did not mention ethnicity at all.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/ ... story.html
JFTR, I don't like this gal and again, I don't give a damn about the D and R thing.

[jhu72]

Seriously, who gives a rats ass about this. She is a fool for even bringing the issue up, ever.

For once I agree with you. But obviously a particular rats ass, gives a rats ass, enough of a rats ass to lie about it. That's probably too strong, he isn't lying, he is just repeating a bogus Trumpnista talking point. Trump is lying, his advisors know better.

[jhu72]

A little truth is called for.

The genetic test showed a range of certainty that ran between 1/64 and 1/1024. Her Native American makeup could be anywhere from approximately .1% to 1.6%. The test could be no more certain than this. The quoted .18% in the average European American is on the low side of Warren's range. She most likely has greater degree of Native American blood than the average European American. 1/256 being the center of the range, .4%. The most likely result of the test is more than twice the quoted European American average.

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/20 ... d-dna-test

Agreed...about a little truth;.

According to a report by the Boston Globe, there is no Native American DNA available for genetic testing “because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases.” (RELATED: Boston Globe Issues Major Correction On Liz Warren’s Ancestry Claims)

Therefore, in order to test for Native American ancestry, genetic researchers have to use samples from other parts of the world.
Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor, used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to attempt to calculate how much Native American ancestry is in Warren’s DNA.

“To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American. That’s because scientists believe that the groups Americans refer to as Native American came to this land via the Bering Strait about 12,000 years ago and settled in what’s now America but also migrated further south,” the Boston Globe explained.

According to the American Indian and Alaska Native Genetics Resource Center, no DNA test can “prove” that someone is American Indian because there are no unique genes for American Indian ancestry.

Well that certainly explains the large range the testers quoted.

[DMac]

A little truth is called for.

The genetic test showed a range of certainty that ran between 1/64 and 1/1024. Her Native American makeup could be anywhere from approximately .1% to 1.6%. The test could be no more certain than this. The quoted .18% in the average European American is on the low side of Warren's range. She most likely has greater degree of Native American blood than the average European American. 1/256 being the center of the range, .4%. The most likely result of the test is more than twice the quoted European American average.

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/20 ... d-dna-test

Agreed...about a little truth;.

According to a report by the Boston Globe, there is no Native American DNA available for genetic testing “because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases.” (RELATED: Boston Globe Issues Major Correction On Liz Warren’s Ancestry Claims)

Therefore, in order to test for Native American ancestry, genetic researchers have to use samples from other parts of the world.
Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor, used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to attempt to calculate how much Native American ancestry is in Warren’s DNA.

“To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American. That’s because scientists believe that the groups Americans refer to as Native American came to this land via the Bering Strait about 12,000 years ago and settled in what’s now America but also migrated further south,” the Boston Globe explained.

According to the American Indian and Alaska Native Genetics Resource Center, no DNA test can “prove” that someone is American Indian because there are no unique genes for American Indian ancestry.

I'm not so sure that is completely accurate.

"Case Study C: Federal Recognition of Tribes: In 2000, legislation was introduced in the Vermont legislature in an attempt to secure federal recognition for the Western Mohegan tribe after they paid for DNA testing[2] to prove their genetic similarity to a federally recognized tribe in Wisconsin."

http://genetics.ncai.org/tribal-enrollm ... esting.cfm
Lot of complications but it's not as if there are no NA DNA samples out there.

[jhu72]

A little truth is called for.

The genetic test showed a range of certainty that ran between 1/64 and 1/1024. Her Native American makeup could be anywhere from approximately .1% to 1.6%. The test could be no more certain than this. The quoted .18% in the average European American is on the low side of Warren's range. She most likely has greater degree of Native American blood than the average European American. 1/256 being the center of the range, .4%. The most likely result of the test is more than twice the quoted European American average.

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/20 ... d-dna-test

Agreed...about a little truth;.

According to a report by the Boston Globe, there is no Native American DNA available for genetic testing “because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases.” (RELATED: Boston Globe Issues Major Correction On Liz Warren’s Ancestry Claims)

Therefore, in order to test for Native American ancestry, genetic researchers have to use samples from other parts of the world.
Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor, used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to attempt to calculate how much Native American ancestry is in Warren’s DNA.

“To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American. That’s because scientists believe that the groups Americans refer to as Native American came to this land via the Bering Strait about 12,000 years ago and settled in what’s now America but also migrated further south,” the Boston Globe explained.

According to the American Indian and Alaska Native Genetics Resource Center, no DNA test can “prove” that someone is American Indian because there are no unique genes for American Indian ancestry.

I'm not so sure that is completely accurate.

"Case Study C: Federal Recognition of Tribes: In 2000, legislation was introduced in the Vermont legislature in an attempt to secure federal recognition for the Western Mohegan tribe after they paid for DNA testing[2] to prove their genetic similarity to a federally recognized tribe in Wisconsin."

http://genetics.ncai.org/tribal-enrollm ... esting.cfm
Lot of complications but it's not as if there are no NA DNA samples out there.

I took Youth's article to mean there was not a sufficient supply to generate statistics as good as other ethnicities. Scientists clearly have many American Indian samples just not enough for "good" statistics. The researchers were just trying to improve their statistics. It's sort of like Jurassic Park, substituting frog genes for missing dino genes. I am guessing here that the large error bar quoted in the Warren test is based totally on the actual Native American gene samples they have processed (no frog genes).

[RedFromMI]

I'll take a stab at Bandito's ill-informed description of progressive ideology, as it bears no resemblance to the actual ideology (which is not that well defined anyway given the wide spectrum of beliefs)...

Progressive ideology:
1. Open Borders and wanting Illegals to vote
There are no significant number of people that want completely open borders (progressives actually want to reduce crime, drug smuggling, etc), but legal immigration is recognized as a significant input to the American economy. In times like now at full employment, you might actually need more immigration to help provide the correct labor needed for the economy. There is NO progressive that I know that wants anyone who is not a citizen to vote. However, we do want all citizens to be able to vote without undue burdens placed upon them.
2. Socialism
Few progressives are socialists, but most believe in the same social welfare system that brought you Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Many would like to see some sort of single payer at least as an option to take money out of the hands of private companies and put them in the hands of the actual providers of healthcare. (Disclosure - I am the parent of a physician...
3. High Taxes
Higher taxes on the wealthy, who both can afford to pay, and get far greater benefits (especially financially) than poorer Americans.
4. More money for a failing education system- anti school choice.
The Republicans have used school choice to resegregate schools, which both harms poorer students who cannot often make the same choices, and helps to starve the schools so they cannot accomplish their mission. Personally, I find there could be a lot of improvements in the current educational system, but the first thing would be to trash most everything associated with NCLB, which has not done anything near what it promised. But especially the testing regime. Just a way to send profits to testing companies, with little real benefit.
5. There are more than 2 genders
For purposes of genetics that is not true. For purposes of sexual preferences it is. Nothing wrong with that reality.
6. Guilty until proven innocent and to believe all women except accusers of Bill Clinton, Keith Ellison etc
Absolutely not true. However, most women do not tell lies about their experiences, given what telling their stories can cost them. Monica Lewinsky was taken advantage of by Bill Clinton, and it is time that both Clintons fade from the scene. The Keith Ellison story seems to be more of a problem stemming from a relationship gone bad, and the accuser claims to have evidence of physical abuse but refuses to show it. As for Kavanaugh, his big issue was lying, and participating in a scheme when he worked for GWB to use stolen Democratic emails for political purposes (and then lying about it). The Dr. Ford allegations were serious, but without further investigation (that was a real investigation), you cannot determine more.
7. Governmental take over of health care and the economy
Single payer either as the only practice or as an option is not government takeover of healthcare, but certainly increases the influence of the government over private healthcare businesses. The reason to do it is that money is "wasted" paying for investors and large administrative salaries that would be better used to actually provide the services. As for the entire economy, few progressives want a government economy (like China, for example). But better regulation of bad private industry practice could go a long way toward limiting the abuse of certain industries (like banks screwing customers - see Wells Fargo, or industries not paying living wages and mostly employing part-time workers 0 see Amazon).
8. High poverty rates for minorities
No progressive wants high poverty rates for anyone. Period.
9. High unemployment for minorities
Same as #8. It is BS to accuse progressives of this, as it has no basis in fact.
10. Party of Antifa and Fascism
Antifa is a far-left anarchist movement that is not part of progressive ideology. Fascism is authoritarian, and comes from the right. Trump is the kind of politician that shows fascist tendencies. Take a look at how fascism is defined, and you see many more characteristics in common with the current Republicans than any Democrat.
11. Party of Racism and plantation politics
Again, total BS. Also a good example of projection by the right.
12. Call blacks token negroes, uncle Toms and traitors to their race when they think for themselves and are Republicans
I am not black, so I don't call anyone that, but I don't see that with any progressives I know.
13. Believe all women even when no facts are involved in the allegations
Boy is this a straw man argument. Implies that women accuse with no facts. You just don't care to acknowledge any facts.
14. When they don't get their way, they violently attack Republicans at restaurants, their places of work, the softball field etc. Which is well chronicled in another thread.
The level of violence is far greater from militia types than anyone who calls themselves progressive. However, yelling at a Fox Network personality, or someone vile from the current administration in a restaurant is hardly violence.
15. Democrats are the anti American party.
Trying to improve the country we love is hardly anti-American. Calling the other side anti-American is.

[foreverlax]

There are more than three million differences between your genome and anyone else's.
On the other hand, we are all 99.9 percent the same, DNA-wise. (By contrast, we are only about 99 percent the same as our closest relatives, chimpanzees.)

On average, the protein-coding regions of the mouse and human genomes are 85 percent identical; some genes are 99 percent identical while others are only 60 percent identical.

Bananas and humans — 50 percent.