Trump's Russian Collusion

[Trinity]

The DNI and IC were fooled but not Matt Taibbi?

[Peter Brown]

It mostly sounds like the author thinks it is a set up.

Matt Taibbi is a brilliant author, not beholden to any party. This article is so great. If anyone does not know the story of Thomas Drake, do yourself a favor and go read about him. Americans should always be on the side of whistleblowers...just make sure they are whistleblowers and not partisans.

[Typical Lax Dad]

It mostly sounds like the author thinks it is a set up.

Someone told Trump to withhold money from Ukraine and ask for a favor first and then these people also told Trump to ask China to look into Warren and Biden back in June? It's a frame up? Sounds like Giuliani talking....... Those text messages were also part of the set up? The author is fatigued, that I understand.... but a frame up?

[old salt]

It mostly sounds like the author thinks it is a set up.

Matt Taibbi is a brilliant author, not beholden to any party. This article is so great. If anyone does not know the story of Thomas Drake, do yourself a favor and go read about him. Americans should always be on the side of whistleblowers...just make sure they are whistleblowers and not partisans.

Yep. This is an orchestrated set up, just like Blasey-Ford was a whistleblower on Kavanaugh. Where's Avenatti's whistleblower ?

Disgruntled partisan govt employees using the whistleblower program to sabotage policy differences.

[Typical Lax Dad]

It mostly sounds like the author thinks it is a set up.

Matt Taibbi is a brilliant author, not beholden to any party. This article is so great. If anyone does not know the story of Thomas Drake, do yourself a favor and go read about him. Americans should always be on the side of whistleblowers...just make sure they are whistleblowers and not partisans.

Yep. This is an orchestrated set up, just like Blasey-Ford was a whistleblower on Kavanaugh. Where's Avenatti's whistleblower ?

Disgruntled partisan govt employees using the whistleblower program to sabotage policy differences.

Who orchestrated the text message exchange and the Trump transcript?

[old salt]

It mostly sounds like the author thinks it is a set up.

Matt Taibbi is a brilliant author, not beholden to any party. This article is so great. If anyone does not know the story of Thomas Drake, do yourself a favor and go read about him. Americans should always be on the side of whistleblowers...just make sure they are whistleblowers and not partisans.

Yep. This is an orchestrated set up, just like Blasey-Ford was a whistleblower on Kavanaugh. Where's Avenatti's whistleblower ?

Disgruntled partisan govt employees using the whistleblower program to sabotage policy differences.

Who orchestrated the text message exchange and the Trump transcript?

They are what they are. Impeach Trump for them or STFU.

[Trinity]

The calls are coming from inside the house.....because Rudy is channeling Manafort.

[a fan]

Generally these people have no bile; they tend to laugh off stuff mostly. The corollary to that is when we read Internet comments full of bile and outright hatred for the other side, which I'm seeing a dangerous trend of by the left (and by "left" I do not mean all Democrats, which I am no longer a member of; but a significant % of the Dems and growing fast)

If you don't see the exact same behavior from the right, I don't know what to say.

The far right and the far left are the same thing: intolerant, stubborn, inflexible, condescending.... To say that the right and FoxNation aren't all these things is....searching for a word here.....simply not true.

To the extent I blame any one news outlet, MSNBC seems like a cauldron of hypocrisy and hatred, a horrible combo. And before you say Fox, Fox at least invites the Left onto its programs and has rational debates (not to mention some anchors who are frankly Democrats...'both sides' doesn't even happen any more at MSNBC).

I have never once heard a rational debate on Hannity or Rush, and I tune in to both weekly. Not once. And both of those anchors call Dems/Libs. an enemy to democracy.

MSNBC anchors hate Trump. No question there. And yes, most of it is unwatchable. Maddow went off the deep end months ago.

The error in your analysis is that Trump isn't a conservative, and not one of his major policies that he has actually enacted could be characterized as right wing. He's a socialist, and operates to the left of Obama and Bush. MSNBC is reacting to a corrupt compulsive liar, not to conservative ideology.

[Typical Lax Dad]

It mostly sounds like the author thinks it is a set up.

Matt Taibbi is a brilliant author, not beholden to any party. This article is so great. If anyone does not know the story of Thomas Drake, do yourself a favor and go read about him. Americans should always be on the side of whistleblowers...just make sure they are whistleblowers and not partisans.

Yep. This is an orchestrated set up, just like Blasey-Ford was a whistleblower on Kavanaugh. Where's Avenatti's whistleblower ?

Disgruntled partisan govt employees using the whistleblower program to sabotage policy differences.

Who orchestrated the text message exchange and the Trump transcript?

They are what they are. Impeach Trump for them or STFU.

Rough scrimmages or something this past weekend? Foul....

[HooDat]

They are what they are. Impeach Trump for them or STFU.

here's the thing of it all.

How do you think it plays out - if it plays out publicly - if the question is this:

Hey, American Voter, who do you prefer:

(a) a guy who tried to shake down a foreign government?

or

(b) US politicians and CIA agents who tried usurp a duly elected POTUS?


I am making observations, I am not making value judgements here. But the Dems lose that debate 99.99999 times out of 100.

[jhu72]

The DNI and IC were fooled but not Matt Taibbi?

For years we have had the delusional right wing around here making fun of Matt Taibbi. He is now their go to guy.

[HooDat]

The DNI and IC were fooled but not Matt Taibbi?

For years we have had the delusional right wing around here making fun of Matt Taibbi. He is now their go to guy.

why not argue the merits rather than resort to name calling?

[jhu72]

The DNI and IC were fooled but not Matt Taibbi?

For years we have had the delusional right wing around here making fun of Matt Taibbi. He is now their go to guy.

why not argue the merits rather than resort to name calling?

I am still laughing.

[Typical Lax Dad]

They are what they are. Impeach Trump for them or STFU.

here's the thing of it all.

How do you think it plays out - if it plays out publicly - if the question is this:

Hey, American Voter, who do you prefer:

(a) a guy who tried to shake down a foreign government?

or

(b) US politicians and CIA agents who tried usurp a duly elected POTUS?[/i]


I am making observations, I am not making value judgements here. But the Dems lose that debate 99.99999 times out of 100.

The judicial branch will allow for that to happen? Judges part of the frame up also?

[old salt]

It mostly sounds like the author thinks it is a set up.

Matt Taibbi is a brilliant author, not beholden to any party. This article is so great. If anyone does not know the story of Thomas Drake, do yourself a favor and go read about him. Americans should always be on the side of whistleblowers...just make sure they are whistleblowers and not partisans.

Yep. This is an orchestrated set up, just like Blasey-Ford was a whistleblower on Kavanaugh. Where's Avenatti's whistleblower ?

Disgruntled partisan govt employees using the whistleblower program to sabotage policy differences.

Who orchestrated the text message exchange and the Trump transcript?

They are what they are. Impeach Trump for them or STFU.

Rough scrimmages or something this past weekend? Foul....

Not at all. This is all just a media food fight. A waste of time & emotion.
Trump's admitting what he's doing, so call the question.
Vote to start impeachment proceedings, let both sides present their case, then vote & answer to their voters.
Then move on.

[Trinity]

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-offi ... ne-1463623

Official on Turkey call says Trump got rolled.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Have you ever met a Trumpfan? Do they "gratuitously slap" libs? Or call the media "fake news". Or make fun of "drive by voters"? They make fun of "libs" 24/7. Pot, meet kettle.

I have met many Trumpfans...we employ a ton of them (and btw, they are nice guys and ladies!). To the extent they 'make fun' of liberals (they'd rather fish, hunt, or play catch with their kids), they mostly make fun of a lack of common sense. Machinists and technicians need to understand basic math like speeds and feeds, imperial to metric, and fractions to decimals, and of course geometric dimensioning and tolerancing. That takes common sense. And common sense isn't as common as we'd like to think. Hence it has real value.

Ad hominem attacks from the politics-obsessed are simply another way of saying "I'm an important guy and it's OK for me to call someone names". It's not okay.

So in other words, yes, you've heard them make fun of libs, use the phrase "fake news", and generally act condescending towards "stupid liberals."

Pot meet kettle.

Not what I said. I have heard them make fun of a 'lack of common sense'.

Generally these people have no bile; they tend to laugh off stuff mostly. The corollary to that is when we read Internet comments full of bile and outright hatred for the other side, which I'm seeing a dangerous trend of by the left (and by "left" I do not mean all Democrats, which I am no longer a member of; but a significant % of the Dems and growing fast).

The people I know who voted for Trump (admittedly only my colleagues...this is not some massive Pew poll) would be the first to jump-start your car on a cold day or winch your vehicle out of a ditch if you got in trouble. They wouldn't even ask your party identification! (the same is true for most people in America...for some reason, the Internet strokes hysteria).

Me personally, I think people in person can be much less insane than their Internet commentary. To the extent I blame any one news outlet, MSNBC seems like a cauldron of hypocrisy and hatred, a horrible combo. And before you say Fox, Fox at least invites the Left onto its programs and has rational debates (not to mention some anchors who are frankly Democrats...'both sides' doesn't even happen any more at MSNBC). CNN tries to keep some opposing voices, which I appreciate (not to mention I think Jake Tapper is an eminently fair journalist).

Here you go sport:

[jhu72]

The DNI and IC were fooled but not Matt Taibbi?

For years we have had the delusional right wing around here making fun of Matt Taibbi. He is now their go to guy.

why not argue the merits rather than resort to name calling?

I am still laughing.

So Taibbi's antenna is up because the IC community is offering him protection - one of their own. Doesn't prove anything about the veracity of his/her story. I share Taibbi's outrage at the way whistleblowers are (have been) treated, but it says nothing about whether this individuals story is true or false.

Back to laughing.

[foreverlax]

Where does Taibi say the facts as presented by the WB and supported by other documentation is inaccurate?

[a fan]

(b) US politicians and CIA agents who tried usurp a duly elected POTUS?[/i]

Did they lie? Or fabricate evidence on Trump?

Then what are you talking about? This is about Trump's behavior. You're implying that our public servants should serve a fascist leader who is above the law.

You do understand that if you follow what you're saying here, Nixon would have finished his term without incident. FBI "usurped a duly elected POTUS". You remember that, yes?