2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[jhu72]

C&S -- Don't overthink it. If you are in a swing state, you just vote for the Dem if you want to be rid of Trump. And any of them will be more just fine and massively better than Trump. If not in a swing state, it is fine to protest vote for a third party.

You still need House maj, 60 Senate votes and the Prez to get anything done. While Bernie may dream of Medicare for all, free college, etc. we all know that's never gonna happen in the next 25 years.

Obama had two years with 60 Senate votes and he barely barely got Obamacare passed. And Obamacare is way more moderate than what the Bern talks about. And Obamacare cost Obama his governing majorities and then he got six years of divided govt. Same thing would happen with any Dem president.

You'd get a normal respectable person in the WH (which we currently lack). And you'd get nothing much done (what we currently have) or you'd get maybe a few centrist grand bargains on debt/taxes, immigration or other issues. You'd basically get back to 2013, when things were pretty functional and the GOP (even Hannity!!) acted like normal partisans rather than Trumpsters.

And history shows that our fiscal situation always/only improves when there is divided govt headed by a Dem president -- Clinton/Gingrich, Obama/Boehner/McConnell.

It is pretty simple actually. Just vote for whatever Dem nominee there is. And feel free to vote GOP for Senate and Congress if you want. Although I personally think the GOP needs/deserves to be sent to the time out chair for ever letting the Very Stable Genius take over their party.

Well thought out. I largely agree. The fear of a socialist takeover makes me laugh.

I would only disagree with your statement that the republicans might need to pay a penalty. That is a most definite - they need to pay a penalty for their lack of good citizenship - 40+ years of it (pandering to the worst elements in society just to win elections) leading up to Trump. You also have the fact that once Orange Duce is gone, the party of Trump remains. Many of these people are not harmless. The party of reasonable republicanism no longer exists.

[a fan]

The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.

Great. So tell me why Trump didn't care, and did nothing about this until Biden announced he was running?

And the minute Biden steps out of the race? FoxNation will "coincidentally" not care about Biden anymore.

BTW, Biden hasn't done anything illegal. It's just the same conflicts of interest that are going on right now in the Trump family.

And you and the rest of the Trump fans "coincidentally" don't care about Trump family conflicts, or the fact that he's making millions off of taxpayers.

Pot, meet kettle.

[cradleandshoot]

C&S -- Don't overthink it. If you are in a swing state, you just vote for the Dem if you want to be rid of Trump. And any of them will be more just fine and massively better than Trump. If not in a swing state, it is fine to protest vote for a third party.

You still need House maj, 60 Senate votes and the Prez to get anything done. While Bernie may dream of Medicare for all, free college, etc. we all know that's never gonna happen in the next 25 years.

Obama had two years with 60 Senate votes and he barely barely got Obamacare passed. And Obamacare is way more moderate than what the Bern talks about. And Obamacare cost Obama his governing majorities and then he got six years of divided govt. Same thing would happen with any Dem president.

You'd get a normal respectable person in the WH (which we currently lack). And you'd get nothing much done (what we currently have) or you'd get maybe a few centrist grand bargains on debt/taxes, immigration or other issues. You'd basically get back to 2013, when things were pretty functional and the GOP (even Hannity!!) acted like normal partisans rather than Trumpsters.

And history shows that our fiscal situation always/only improves when there is divided govt headed by a Dem president -- Clinton/Gingrich, Obama/Boehner/McConnell.

It is pretty simple actually. Just vote for whatever Dem nominee there is. And feel free to vote GOP for Senate and Congress if you want. Although I personally think the GOP needs/deserves to be sent to the time out chair for ever letting the Very Stable Genius take over their party.

Well thought out. I largely agree. The fear of a socialist takeover makes me laugh.

I would only disagree with your statement that the republicans might need to pay a penalty. That is a most definite - they need to pay a penalty for their lack of good citizenship - 40+ years of it (pandering to the worst elements in society just to win elections) leading up to Trump. You also have the fact that once Orange Duce is gone, the party of Trump remains. Many of these people are not harmless. The party of reasonable republicanism no longer exists.

I think there are a lot of people scared of a socialist takeover. Mark Zuckerberg is about as progressive as they come. When he references Liz Warren as an "existential threat to Facebook" I think something's cooking in the kettle. I had to laugh that Liz tweeted that companies like Facebook need to be "fixed" That line of thinking is right up there with... I'm with the government and I'm here to help.

[youthathletics]

The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.

Great. So tell me why Trump didn't care, and did nothing about this until Biden announced he was running?

And the minute Biden steps out of the race? FoxNation will "coincidentally" not care about Biden anymore.

BTW, Biden hasn't done anything illegal. It's just the same conflicts of interest that are going on right now in the Trump family.

And you and the rest of the Trump fans "coincidentally" don't care about Trump family conflicts, or the fact that he's making millions off of taxpayers.

Pot, meet kettle.

Liz Cheney sums it better than I:

@Liz_Cheney 22h
If foreign entities attempted to influence US policy by paying Hunter Biden, the American people have a right to know.

Question for
@SpeakerPelosi and @RepAdamSchiff
- why do you think the Ukrainians and Chinese were paying Hunter Biden?

Can you answer this for us with confidence? Or is a response "who cares" satisfactory?

[HooDat]

This article shines a very bright light on what is going on. https://reason.com/2019/10/03/let-us-no ... ssion=true

Because Trump is cartoonishly simple, he is revealing of how things actually work; we can see in him the moves and machinations that more sophisticated and suave operators are able to mask. The real test for the country is whether we will use this moment to admit we've been living all sorts of lies that we choose to obscure with soaring political rhetoric and false politeness. Whether Trump is removed by the Senate, fails to be reelected in 2020, or serves a second term, we need to restructure the size, scope, and spending of government so the political class isn't able to wield so much power.

Trump is a spotlight on all that is wrong with our government. He is a sacrifice to be thrown in the volcano so that we can actually see that the emperor has no freaking clothes - and by emperor I mean our political system as it currently operates.

[jhu72]

C&S -- Don't overthink it. If you are in a swing state, you just vote for the Dem if you want to be rid of Trump. And any of them will be more just fine and massively better than Trump. If not in a swing state, it is fine to protest vote for a third party.

You still need House maj, 60 Senate votes and the Prez to get anything done. While Bernie may dream of Medicare for all, free college, etc. we all know that's never gonna happen in the next 25 years.

Obama had two years with 60 Senate votes and he barely barely got Obamacare passed. And Obamacare is way more moderate than what the Bern talks about. And Obamacare cost Obama his governing majorities and then he got six years of divided govt. Same thing would happen with any Dem president.

You'd get a normal respectable person in the WH (which we currently lack). And you'd get nothing much done (what we currently have) or you'd get maybe a few centrist grand bargains on debt/taxes, immigration or other issues. You'd basically get back to 2013, when things were pretty functional and the GOP (even Hannity!!) acted like normal partisans rather than Trumpsters.

And history shows that our fiscal situation always/only improves when there is divided govt headed by a Dem president -- Clinton/Gingrich, Obama/Boehner/McConnell.

It is pretty simple actually. Just vote for whatever Dem nominee there is. And feel free to vote GOP for Senate and Congress if you want. Although I personally think the GOP needs/deserves to be sent to the time out chair for ever letting the Very Stable Genius take over their party.

Well thought out. I largely agree. The fear of a socialist takeover makes me laugh.

I would only disagree with your statement that the republicans might need to pay a penalty. That is a most definite - they need to pay a penalty for their lack of good citizenship - 40+ years of it (pandering to the worst elements in society just to win elections) leading up to Trump. You also have the fact that once Orange Duce is gone, the party of Trump remains. Many of these people are not harmless. The party of reasonable republicanism no longer exists.

I think there are a lot of people scared of a socialist takeover. Mark Zuckerberg is about as progressive as they come. When he references Liz Warren as an "existential threat to Facebook" I think something's cooking in the kettle

And that fear is irrational, As ggait points out, this kind of change takes time it moves slow and progress is jerky.

Zberg is not afraid of socialism - he is afraid of anti-trust regulation.

[a fan]

The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.

Great. So tell me why Trump didn't care, and did nothing about this until Biden announced he was running?

And the minute Biden steps out of the race? FoxNation will "coincidentally" not care about Biden anymore.

BTW, Biden hasn't done anything illegal. It's just the same conflicts of interest that are going on right now in the Trump family.

And you and the rest of the Trump fans "coincidentally" don't care about Trump family conflicts, or the fact that he's making millions off of taxpayers.

Pot, meet kettle.

Liz Cheney sums it better than I:

@Liz_Cheney 22h
If foreign entities attempted to influence US policy by paying Hunter Biden, the American people have a right to know.

Question for
@SpeakerPelosi and @RepAdamSchiff
- why do you think the Ukrainians and Chinese were paying Hunter Biden?

Can you answer this for us with confidence? Or is a response "who cares" satisfactory?

1. if this is important, why didn't Trump investigate at any point.....any point.....from 2017-2018? He forget? I thought this was important?
It didn't become "important" until Biden announced his candidacy.

2. You and the rest of Trumpland already told us that you don't care about Foreign election interference, remember?

[cradleandshoot]

This article shines a very bright light on what is going on. https://reason.com/2019/10/03/let-us-no ... ssion=true

Because Trump is cartoonishly simple, he is revealing of how things actually work; we can see in him the moves and machinations that more sophisticated and suave operators are able to mask. The real test for the country is whether we will use this moment to admit we've been living all sorts of lies that we choose to obscure with soaring political rhetoric and false politeness. Whether Trump is removed by the Senate, fails to be reelected in 2020, or serves a second term, we need to restructure the size, scope, and spending of government so the political class isn't able to wield so much power.

Trump is a spotlight on all that is wrong with our government. He is a sacrifice to be thrown in the volcano so that we can actually see that the emperor has no freaking clothes - and by emperor I mean our political system as it currently operates.

Plus 1...

[cradleandshoot]

The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.

Great. So tell me why Trump didn't care, and did nothing about this until Biden announced he was running?

And the minute Biden steps out of the race? FoxNation will "coincidentally" not care about Biden anymore.

BTW, Biden hasn't done anything illegal. It's just the same conflicts of interest that are going on right now in the Trump family.

And you and the rest of the Trump fans "coincidentally" don't care about Trump family conflicts, or the fact that he's making millions off of taxpayers.

Pot, meet kettle.

Liz Cheney sums it better than I:

@Liz_Cheney 22h
If foreign entities attempted to influence US policy by paying Hunter Biden, the American people have a right to know.

Question for
@SpeakerPelosi and @RepAdamSchiff
- why do you think the Ukrainians and Chinese were paying Hunter Biden?

Can you answer this for us with confidence? Or is a response "who cares" satisfactory?

1. if this is important, why didn't Trump investigate at any point.....any point.....from 2017-2018? He forget? I thought this was important?
It didn't become "important" until Biden announced his candidacy.

2. You and the rest of Trumpland already told us that you don't care about Foreign election interference, remember?

Nuttin wrong with foreign interferance... long as it works in favor of your particular party.

[jhu72]

The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.

Great. So tell me why Trump didn't care, and did nothing about this until Biden announced he was running?

And the minute Biden steps out of the race? FoxNation will "coincidentally" not care about Biden anymore.

BTW, Biden hasn't done anything illegal. It's just the same conflicts of interest that are going on right now in the Trump family.

And you and the rest of the Trump fans "coincidentally" don't care about Trump family conflicts, or the fact that he's making millions off of taxpayers.

Pot, meet kettle.

Liz Cheney sums it better than I:

@Liz_Cheney 22h
If foreign entities attempted to influence US policy by paying Hunter Biden, the American people have a right to know.

Question for
@SpeakerPelosi and @RepAdamSchiff
- why do you think the Ukrainians and Chinese were paying Hunter Biden?

Can you answer this for us with confidence? Or is a response "who cares" satisfactory?

Of course the American people have a right to know. If Hunter Biden is in fact influence peddling - he needs to go the way of Paul Manafort. But to push Hunter Biden front and center to deflect from the Trump Crime family is disingenuous. I have to laugh, Liz Cheney the Princess of Big Oil Grift. Like her father did not participate in highly conflicted (at minimum) dealings with Halliburton.

[foreverlax]

"If foreign entities attempted to influence US policy by paying Hunter Biden, the American people have a right to know." Agreed, but it should be done in a transparent/legal manner...not by Trump asking, in front of the WH, to have China give him the answers his is looking for!!

Question for
@SpeakerPelosi and @RepAdamSchiff
- why do you think the Ukrainians and Chinese were paying Hunter Biden? That is obvious...but so far, even though the optics are disgusting, it appears nothing he did is illegal. Peter Schweizer essentially said as much in his interview with Brett Baier last night...while promoting his new conspiracy book.

Guess no one cares that Rudy has all types of conflicts as he represents the country, on behalf of Trump...was he confirmed to some role we don't know about. He is either his lawyer or a WH advisor...background checks?

Rudy will find himself in the alley with the rest of the toads.

[cradleandshoot]

C&S -- Don't overthink it. If you are in a swing state, you just vote for the Dem if you want to be rid of Trump. And any of them will be more just fine and massively better than Trump. If not in a swing state, it is fine to protest vote for a third party.

You still need House maj, 60 Senate votes and the Prez to get anything done. While Bernie may dream of Medicare for all, free college, etc. we all know that's never gonna happen in the next 25 years.

Obama had two years with 60 Senate votes and he barely barely got Obamacare passed. And Obamacare is way more moderate than what the Bern talks about. And Obamacare cost Obama his governing majorities and then he got six years of divided govt. Same thing would happen with any Dem president.

You'd get a normal respectable person in the WH (which we currently lack). And you'd get nothing much done (what we currently have) or you'd get maybe a few centrist grand bargains on debt/taxes, immigration or other issues. You'd basically get back to 2013, when things were pretty functional and the GOP (even Hannity!!) acted like normal partisans rather than Trumpsters.

And history shows that our fiscal situation always/only improves when there is divided govt headed by a Dem president -- Clinton/Gingrich, Obama/Boehner/McConnell.

It is pretty simple actually. Just vote for whatever Dem nominee there is. And feel free to vote GOP for Senate and Congress if you want. Although I personally think the GOP needs/deserves to be sent to the time out chair for ever letting the Very Stable Genius take over their party.

Well thought out. I largely agree. The fear of a socialist takeover makes me laugh.

I would only disagree with your statement that the republicans might need to pay a penalty. That is a most definite - they need to pay a penalty for their lack of good citizenship - 40+ years of it (pandering to the worst elements in society just to win elections) leading up to Trump. You also have the fact that once Orange Duce is gone, the party of Trump remains. Many of these people are not harmless. The party of reasonable republicanism no longer exists.

I think there are a lot of people scared of a socialist takeover. Mark Zuckerberg is about as progressive as they come. When he references Liz Warren as an "existential threat to Facebook" I think something's cooking in the kettle

And that fear is irrational, As ggait points out, this kind of change takes time it moves slow and progress is jerky.

Zberg is not afraid of socialism - he is afraid of anti-trust regulation.

If you run the whole show on you can move as fast as you please. IMO there is a very good chance the Dems win the WH and also flip the Senate. With a President Warren... that would mean cleared for takeoff. As much as I loath a FLP agenda the thought of 4 more years of this nonsense almost makes it palatable... ALMOST.

[foreverlax]

C&S -- Don't overthink it. If you are in a swing state, you just vote for the Dem if you want to be rid of Trump. And any of them will be more just fine and massively better than Trump. If not in a swing state, it is fine to protest vote for a third party.

You still need House maj, 60 Senate votes and the Prez to get anything done. While Bernie may dream of Medicare for all, free college, etc. we all know that's never gonna happen in the next 25 years.

Obama had two years with 60 Senate votes and he barely barely got Obamacare passed. And Obamacare is way more moderate than what the Bern talks about. And Obamacare cost Obama his governing majorities and then he got six years of divided govt. Same thing would happen with any Dem president.

You'd get a normal respectable person in the WH (which we currently lack). And you'd get nothing much done (what we currently have) or you'd get maybe a few centrist grand bargains on debt/taxes, immigration or other issues. You'd basically get back to 2013, when things were pretty functional and the GOP (even Hannity!!) acted like normal partisans rather than Trumpsters.

And history shows that our fiscal situation always/only improves when there is divided govt headed by a Dem president -- Clinton/Gingrich, Obama/Boehner/McConnell.

It is pretty simple actually. Just vote for whatever Dem nominee there is. And feel free to vote GOP for Senate and Congress if you want. Although I personally think the GOP needs/deserves to be sent to the time out chair for ever letting the Very Stable Genius take over their party.

Well thought out. I largely agree. The fear of a socialist takeover makes me laugh.

I would only disagree with your statement that the republicans might need to pay a penalty. That is a most definite - they need to pay a penalty for their lack of good citizenship - 40+ years of it (pandering to the worst elements in society just to win elections) leading up to Trump. You also have the fact that once Orange Duce is gone, the party of Trump remains. Many of these people are not harmless. The party of reasonable republicanism no longer exists.

I think there are a lot of people scared of a socialist takeover. Mark Zuckerberg is about as progressive as they come. When he references Liz Warren as an "existential threat to Facebook" I think something's cooking in the kettle

And that fear is irrational, As ggait points out, this kind of change takes time it moves slow and progress is jerky.

Zberg is not afraid of socialism - he is afraid of anti-trust regulation.

If you run the whole show on you can move as fast as you please. IMO there is a very good chance the Dems win the WH and also flip the Senate. With a President Warren... that would mean cleared for takeoff. As much as I loath a FLP agenda the thought of 4 more years of this nonsense almost makes it palatable... ALMOST.

You can seeing this coming from a mile away -

President Warren moves congressional approved monies to a fulfill a campaign promise

President Warren issues a National Emergency regarding global warming.

President Warren ask China for help investigating Trump

You can hear the FRP's exploding....

[jhu72]

C&S -- Don't overthink it. If you are in a swing state, you just vote for the Dem if you want to be rid of Trump. And any of them will be more just fine and massively better than Trump. If not in a swing state, it is fine to protest vote for a third party.

You still need House maj, 60 Senate votes and the Prez to get anything done. While Bernie may dream of Medicare for all, free college, etc. we all know that's never gonna happen in the next 25 years.

Obama had two years with 60 Senate votes and he barely barely got Obamacare passed. And Obamacare is way more moderate than what the Bern talks about. And Obamacare cost Obama his governing majorities and then he got six years of divided govt. Same thing would happen with any Dem president.

You'd get a normal respectable person in the WH (which we currently lack). And you'd get nothing much done (what we currently have) or you'd get maybe a few centrist grand bargains on debt/taxes, immigration or other issues. You'd basically get back to 2013, when things were pretty functional and the GOP (even Hannity!!) acted like normal partisans rather than Trumpsters.

And history shows that our fiscal situation always/only improves when there is divided govt headed by a Dem president -- Clinton/Gingrich, Obama/Boehner/McConnell.

It is pretty simple actually. Just vote for whatever Dem nominee there is. And feel free to vote GOP for Senate and Congress if you want. Although I personally think the GOP needs/deserves to be sent to the time out chair for ever letting the Very Stable Genius take over their party.

Well thought out. I largely agree. The fear of a socialist takeover makes me laugh.

I would only disagree with your statement that the republicans might need to pay a penalty. That is a most definite - they need to pay a penalty for their lack of good citizenship - 40+ years of it (pandering to the worst elements in society just to win elections) leading up to Trump. You also have the fact that once Orange Duce is gone, the party of Trump remains. Many of these people are not harmless. The party of reasonable republicanism no longer exists.

I think there are a lot of people scared of a socialist takeover. Mark Zuckerberg is about as progressive as they come. When he references Liz Warren as an "existential threat to Facebook" I think something's cooking in the kettle

And that fear is irrational, As ggait points out, this kind of change takes time it moves slow and progress is jerky.

Zberg is not afraid of socialism - he is afraid of anti-trust regulation.

If you run the whole show on you can move as fast as you please. IMO there is a very good chance the Dems win the WH and also flip the Senate. With a President Warren... that would mean cleared for takeoff. As much as I loath a FLP agenda the thought of 4 more years of this nonsense almost makes it palatable... ALMOST.

Obama had that situation - all he got was a crippled ACA. There is no agreement in the democratic party as to Warren's plan. It is aspirational. The democrats will not all fall in line, just as they did not for Obama. She may want Medicare for all but is not likely to get it. Majority of the country wants an improved ACA with private insurance remaining. That's what the country will get, no matter the democrat elected.

[youthathletics]

The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.

Great. So tell me why Trump didn't care, and did nothing about this until Biden announced he was running?

And the minute Biden steps out of the race? FoxNation will "coincidentally" not care about Biden anymore.

BTW, Biden hasn't done anything illegal. It's just the same conflicts of interest that are going on right now in the Trump family.

And you and the rest of the Trump fans "coincidentally" don't care about Trump family conflicts, or the fact that he's making millions off of taxpayers.

Pot, meet kettle.

Liz Cheney sums it better than I:

@Liz_Cheney 22h
If foreign entities attempted to influence US policy by paying Hunter Biden, the American people have a right to know.

Question for
@SpeakerPelosi and @RepAdamSchiff
- why do you think the Ukrainians and Chinese were paying Hunter Biden?

Can you answer this for us with confidence? Or is a response "who cares" satisfactory?

Of course the American people have a right to know. If Hunter Biden is in fact influence peddling - he needs to go the way of Paul Manafort. But to push Hunter Biden front and center to deflect from the Trump Crime family is disingenuous. I have to laugh, Liz Cheney the Princess of Big Oil Grift. Like her father did not participate in highly conflicted (at minimum) dealings with Halliburton.

zactly' .....she would know what the Biden's were up to, not wouldn't she. Birds of a feather.

[cradleandshoot]

C&S -- Don't overthink it. If you are in a swing state, you just vote for the Dem if you want to be rid of Trump. And any of them will be more just fine and massively better than Trump. If not in a swing state, it is fine to protest vote for a third party.

You still need House maj, 60 Senate votes and the Prez to get anything done. While Bernie may dream of Medicare for all, free college, etc. we all know that's never gonna happen in the next 25 years.

Obama had two years with 60 Senate votes and he barely barely got Obamacare passed. And Obamacare is way more moderate than what the Bern talks about. And Obamacare cost Obama his governing majorities and then he got six years of divided govt. Same thing would happen with any Dem president.

You'd get a normal respectable person in the WH (which we currently lack). And you'd get nothing much done (what we currently have) or you'd get maybe a few centrist grand bargains on debt/taxes, immigration or other issues. You'd basically get back to 2013, when things were pretty functional and the GOP (even Hannity!!) acted like normal partisans rather than Trumpsters.

And history shows that our fiscal situation always/only improves when there is divided govt headed by a Dem president -- Clinton/Gingrich, Obama/Boehner/McConnell.

It is pretty simple actually. Just vote for whatever Dem nominee there is. And feel free to vote GOP for Senate and Congress if you want. Although I personally think the GOP needs/deserves to be sent to the time out chair for ever letting the Very Stable Genius take over their party.

Well thought out. I largely agree. The fear of a socialist takeover makes me laugh.

I would only disagree with your statement that the republicans might need to pay a penalty. That is a most definite - they need to pay a penalty for their lack of good citizenship - 40+ years of it (pandering to the worst elements in society just to win elections) leading up to Trump. You also have the fact that once Orange Duce is gone, the party of Trump remains. Many of these people are not harmless. The party of reasonable republicanism no longer exists.

I think there are a lot of people scared of a socialist takeover. Mark Zuckerberg is about as progressive as they come. When he references Liz Warren as an "existential threat to Facebook" I think something's cooking in the kettle

And that fear is irrational, As ggait points out, this kind of change takes time it moves slow and progress is jerky.

Zberg is not afraid of socialism - he is afraid of anti-trust regulation.

If you run the whole show on you can move as fast as you please. IMO there is a very good chance the Dems win the WH and also flip the Senate. With a President Warren... that would mean cleared for takeoff. As much as I loath a FLP agenda the thought of 4 more years of this nonsense almost makes it palatable... ALMOST.

You can seeing this coming from a mile away -

President Warren moves congressional approved monies to a fulfill a campaign promise

President Warren issues a National Emergency regarding global warming.

President Warren ask China for help investigating Trump

You can hear the FRP's exploding....

As Doctor 72 frequently says... the wheels on the bus go round and round...

[a fan]

Can you answer this for us with confidence? Or is a response "who cares" satisfactory?

And btw, Ukraine is corrupt, is it not?

So no matter what "evidence" they give.....whether it "clears' Biden, or makes him guilty (guilty of what?)..... you going to believe it?

I'm not. This is pointless political nonsense.

Understand that you and your fellow Trump fans have now green lit any and all investigations into political rivals, and you have told politicians "go right ahead and work with foreign governments to secure your position of power, and to stick it to your enemies".

You trust our leaders an awful lot more than I do.

[cradleandshoot]

C&S -- Don't overthink it. If you are in a swing state, you just vote for the Dem if you want to be rid of Trump. And any of them will be more just fine and massively better than Trump. If not in a swing state, it is fine to protest vote for a third party.

You still need House maj, 60 Senate votes and the Prez to get anything done. While Bernie may dream of Medicare for all, free college, etc. we all know that's never gonna happen in the next 25 years.

Obama had two years with 60 Senate votes and he barely barely got Obamacare passed. And Obamacare is way more moderate than what the Bern talks about. And Obamacare cost Obama his governing majorities and then he got six years of divided govt. Same thing would happen with any Dem president.

You'd get a normal respectable person in the WH (which we currently lack). And you'd get nothing much done (what we currently have) or you'd get maybe a few centrist grand bargains on debt/taxes, immigration or other issues. You'd basically get back to 2013, when things were pretty functional and the GOP (even Hannity!!) acted like normal partisans rather than Trumpsters.

And history shows that our fiscal situation always/only improves when there is divided govt headed by a Dem president -- Clinton/Gingrich, Obama/Boehner/McConnell.

It is pretty simple actually. Just vote for whatever Dem nominee there is. And feel free to vote GOP for Senate and Congress if you want. Although I personally think the GOP needs/deserves to be sent to the time out chair for ever letting the Very Stable Genius take over their party.

Well thought out. I largely agree. The fear of a socialist takeover makes me laugh.

I would only disagree with your statement that the republicans might need to pay a penalty. That is a most definite - they need to pay a penalty for their lack of good citizenship - 40+ years of it (pandering to the worst elements in society just to win elections) leading up to Trump. You also have the fact that once Orange Duce is gone, the party of Trump remains. Many of these people are not harmless. The party of reasonable republicanism no longer exists.

I think there are a lot of people scared of a socialist takeover. Mark Zuckerberg is about as progressive as they come. When he references Liz Warren as an "existential threat to Facebook" I think something's cooking in the kettle

And that fear is irrational, As ggait points out, this kind of change takes time it moves slow and progress is jerky.

Zberg is not afraid of socialism - he is afraid of anti-trust regulation.

If you run the whole show on you can move as fast as you please. IMO there is a very good chance the Dems win the WH and also flip the Senate. With a President Warren... that would mean cleared for takeoff. As much as I loath a FLP agenda the thought of 4 more years of this nonsense almost makes it palatable... ALMOST.

Obama had that situation - all he got was a crippled ACA. There is no agreement in the democratic party as to Warren's plan. It is aspirational. The democrats will not all fall in line, just as they did not for Obama. She may want Medicare for all but is not likely to get it. Majority of the country wants an improved ACA with private insurance remaining. That's what the country will get, no matter the democrat elected.

I think this is a different Democrat machine. IMO the consensus of Democrat leadership is to make as hard a left turn as possible and hope the ship does not turn over. These folks want what they want and they want it ASAP. If AOC says it should happen... it will and must be made to happen. You are the last person 72 I would have ever thought was under estimating the determination to put this agenda on the super fast track.

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Can you answer this for us with confidence? Or is a response "who cares" satisfactory?

And btw, Ukraine is corrupt, is it not?

So no matter what "evidence" they give.....whether it "clears' Biden, or makes him guilty (guilty of what?)..... you going to believe it?

I'm not. This is pointless political nonsense.

Understand that you and your fellow Trump fans have now green lit any and all investigations into political rivals, and you have told politicians "go right ahead and work with foreign governments to secure your position of power, and to stick it to your enemies".

You trust our leaders an awful lot more than I do.

As the old saying goes... what goes around comes around...

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Can you answer this for us with confidence? Or is a response "who cares" satisfactory?

And btw, Ukraine is corrupt, is it not?

So no matter what "evidence" they give.....whether it "clears' Biden, or makes him guilty (guilty of what?)..... you going to believe it?

I'm not. This is pointless political nonsense.

Understand that you and your fellow Trump fans have now green lit any and all investigations into political rivals, and you have told politicians "go right ahead and work with foreign governments to secure your position of power, and to stick it to your enemies".

You trust our leaders an awful lot more than I do.

Not one person on this earth is saying we take another countries intel as gospel and the sole evidence of a crime/shady dealings...only you are doing that. Oh wait...silly me, I already forgot about the precedent of the phony dossier, thank a lefty for starting that snowball rolling. Nice try passing the baton to the other-side of the isle.