runrussellrun wrote:MDlaxfan76 wrote: you ramble wildly all over the place.
Are you suggesting that because honor killings and vaginal mutilation and other brutal acts of suppression are common in some parts of N. Africa and the Middle East are practiced by some Muslims we should label all of Islam, much less Islam as practiced in the US, with those practices? You do realize that some of those same practices happen with some of the Christian communities in N. Africa too, right? It's an awful cultural phenomenon that we could all agree is incredibly backward and should be opposed. But it's not specifically nor universally Islamic.
That reality is not at all in conflict with #METOO, it's just a far more extreme example of how men can and will be brutal with women, using religion, the powers of government, etc to justify and enforce.
Of course, if you're simply saying that those practices and that culture is much worse than here in America, we quite agree.
I can't help it you don't follow along and put the pieces to the forest for the trees together(and I am NOT fatty)
Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye, Inc. v. City of Hialeah
Decision
Cites
508 U.S. 520
Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye, Inc. v. City of Hialeah (No. 91-948)
Argued: Nov. 4, 1992
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https://bangordailynews.com/2018/07/19/ ... -in-maine/
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cases ... igion.html
Are you arguing that some gun owners use them to do harm, we should label all gun owner..................
And if you think forcing woman to wear burkas in the US isn't symbiotic, or saying that the aforementioned crimes only occur in regions of the world other than the US. Man, what head and what pile of sand , b/c I want some of that ignorance pie.
hmmm, that's exactly what Fatty said. Along with TAATS. And the misspellings.
Yes, you should simply bother to slow down and make the connections and points more clear. I'm surely not the only one who has great difficulty tracking your logic. You often have a point to make, but you make it so obtusely that it confuses more than enlightens. You
can do better.
As to whatever those links were supposed to suggest, much less the "forcing woman to wear burkas in the US", I don't know what far right feed of nonsense you get but instances of anything remotely akin to practices in those regions are extremely rare in US Islam. If it ever happens, you can be assured that it's not sanctioned by any of the prominent sects, imams, mosques here in the US and is simply something a particular family has brought with them.
And obviously we should reject such practices, anywhere, anytime.
But rejecting is a far cry from conflating those practices with Islam more generally, much less here in the US. Again, the same practices happen in those regions with Christians. It's cultural, not religious. That said, yes, often evil is cloaked in religious clothes, as has been the case throughout history in every religion of note.
This happens to be an area that I know quite a lot about having spent nearly 20 years in dialogue with Jews and Muslims and Christians as a trustee of what is arguably the most influential such group in the US. Certainly the most influential with clergy and scholars. Unlike some 'dialogue' groups we don't do a lot of kumbaya, 'we all agree', efforts but rather we focus on where we have historically disagreed about our understanding of God and explore how that has resulted in great strife and what I'd call "evil". Very scholarly effort, but with lots of direct exposure to others who have followed different religious paths. Respect, appreciation, and friendships built on the trust that occurs when people really share.
https://icjs.org/about-us/mission-statement
As a result of that institutional involvement, I'm quite familiar with the actual statistics on religious practices and intolerance here in the US and internationally. Painfully, the levels of mis-information and intolerance are extremely high at present, with a significant spike in hate groups and propaganda from same. My admonition (to anyone) is to not believe the hate propaganda and to get to know the Other yourself.