Barr is not a diplomat, but you knew that....love all the cool phrases you come up with. Clever.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:55 am.. ...diplomatic professional courtesy.foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:42 pmAh, good one!RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:14 pm So now we know Barr has been running around secretly investigating the “origins” of the Mueller report, rather than leave it to US attorney John Durham. Makes the exchange when Barr was testifying on the Hill and Kampala Harris asked him if anyone was asking him to investigate anyone quite relevant...
Barr asking his foreign counterpart to co-operate with his investigator & to assure him that it's solely the actions of US citizens which are under investigation. ...& to quietly reassure that he won't make an ally look bad for previously helping US investigators.
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Neither are other cabinet members or members of the Joint Chiefs who meet with their foreign counterparts all the time.foreverlax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:34 amBarr is not a diplomat, but you knew that....love all the cool phrases you come up with. Clever.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:55 am.. ...diplomatic professional courtesy.foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:42 pmAh, good one!RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:14 pm So now we know Barr has been running around secretly investigating the “origins” of the Mueller report, rather than leave it to US attorney John Durham. Makes the exchange when Barr was testifying on the Hill and Kampala Harris asked him if anyone was asking him to investigate anyone quite relevant...
Barr asking his foreign counterpart to co-operate with his investigator & to assure him that it's solely the actions of US citizens which are under investigation. ...& to quietly reassure that he won't make an ally look bad for previously helping US investigators.
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To coin a phrase - "That's a really stupid observation."old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:47 amNeither are other cabinet members or members of the Joint Chiefs who meet with their foreign counterparts all the time.foreverlax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:34 amBarr is not a diplomat, but you knew that....love all the cool phrases you come up with. Clever.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:55 am.. ...diplomatic professional courtesy.foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:42 pmAh, good one!RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:14 pm So now we know Barr has been running around secretly investigating the “origins” of the Mueller report, rather than leave it to US attorney John Durham. Makes the exchange when Barr was testifying on the Hill and Kampala Harris asked him if anyone was asking him to investigate anyone quite relevant...
Barr asking his foreign counterpart to co-operate with his investigator & to assure him that it's solely the actions of US citizens which are under investigation. ...& to quietly reassure that he won't make an ally look bad for previously helping US investigators.
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It's a statement of fact. What are you so afraid of ?foreverlax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:49 amTo coin a phrase - "That's a really stupid observation."old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:47 amNeither are other cabinet members or members of the Joint Chiefs who meet with their foreign counterparts all the time.foreverlax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:34 amBarr is not a diplomat, but you knew that....love all the cool phrases you come up with. Clever.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:55 am.. ...diplomatic professional courtesy.foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:42 pmAh, good one!RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:14 pm So now we know Barr has been running around secretly investigating the “origins” of the Mueller report, rather than leave it to US attorney John Durham. Makes the exchange when Barr was testifying on the Hill and Kampala Harris asked him if anyone was asking him to investigate anyone quite relevant...
Barr asking his foreign counterpart to co-operate with his investigator & to assure him that it's solely the actions of US citizens which are under investigation. ...& to quietly reassure that he won't make an ally look bad for previously helping US investigators.
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Just following your lead....old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:11 pmIt's a statement of fact. What are you so afraid of ?foreverlax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:49 amTo coin a phrase - "That's a really stupid observation."old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:47 amNeither are other cabinet members or members of the Joint Chiefs who meet with their foreign counterparts all the time.foreverlax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:34 amBarr is not a diplomat, but you knew that....love all the cool phrases you come up with. Clever.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:55 am.. ...diplomatic professional courtesy.foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:42 pmAh, good one!RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:14 pm So now we know Barr has been running around secretly investigating the “origins” of the Mueller report, rather than leave it to US attorney John Durham. Makes the exchange when Barr was testifying on the Hill and Kampala Harris asked him if anyone was asking him to investigate anyone quite relevant...
Barr asking his foreign counterpart to co-operate with his investigator & to assure him that it's solely the actions of US citizens which are under investigation. ...& to quietly reassure that he won't make an ally look bad for previously helping US investigators.
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Barr, by Harry Litman:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... rtant-one/
"Multiple news agencies reported Monday that Attorney General William P. Barr has had extensive personal involvement in the Justice Department’s investigations into the origins of the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election.
That involvement — including trips abroad for personal meetings with foreign officials — is certainly “fairly unorthodox,” in the words of a former Justice Department official. Is it also inappropriate?
After all, part of an attorney general’s job is to liaise with foreign counterparts. It’s not unusual to have in-person meetings, especially at the beginning of an attorney general’s tenure, both to meet and greet and to discuss mutual priorities.
Moreover, Barr is the head of the Justice Department. No department business is beyond his concern. Unlike, say, the barriers that are supposed to stand between the White House and the Justice Department, there is no out-of-bounds area for the department’s political appointees, much less the attorney general.
Thus, during Barr’s first tenure as attorney general, he personally argued a case in the Supreme Court, a task normally reserved to the solicitor general and his or her assistants. No one took him to task for weeding in the solicitor general’s garden.
So what, if anything, might be worrisome about Barr’s conduct now?
Well, plenty. For starters, while attorneys general do meet with foreign officials to cement working relationships and even communicate shared general priorities, transatlantic trips to ask for help on an individual investigation are beyond rare. It would even be unusual for an attorney general to pick up the phone to call a counterpart about an individual case.
Barr’s personal globe-trotting mission necessarily communicates that this one matter — of all the ongoing business of the Justice Department — is an unsurpassed priority of the department
Second and relatedly, Barr already has appointed a respected U.S. attorney, John Durham, to undertake the investigation. Many Justice Department investigations require cooperation with our most important foreign friends, and there are established channels of communication for Durham to work through if he needs help from intelligence agencies of other countries.
Third, the attorney general’s personal involvement compromises the whole idea of Durham’s independence. How is Durham supposed to ignore the bear riding piggyback on his shoulders?
That would be so even if the attorney general had no particular prejudice or bias with respect to the investigation. But the next problem, larger still, is that this attorney general brings strongly held preconceptions into an investigation that is supposed to be free of them.
Barr has repeatedly expressed suspicions of impropriety in the initiation of the Russia probe, including his inflammatory suggestion that the probe constituted “spying” on the Trump campaign.
It is hard not to conclude that Barr’s driving motivation is to turn up some nefarious aspect to the probe’s origins, backed by the imprimatur of a foreign government. And of course, nothing would please President Trump more.
Which brings us to the next big problem with Barr’s unusual campaign. Its animating idea, in fact obsession, is simply wacky. No one has ever shown any satisfactory basis for the various conspiracy theories that Trump defenders have trotted out to argue that the investigation into Russian meddling was rotten at the core.
Indeed, the whole enterprise of trying to discredit the probe is half-cocked. The revelations in the Mueller report of extensive efforts by the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election are beyond dispute and extraordinarily grave. It is fortunate that the FBI undertook the probe with the seriousness it merited.
Finally, the attorney general has not simply inserted himself into Durham’s probe. He has entered into a working partnership with Trump. Thus, we learned that the president’s recent call to the Australian prime minister to urge him to assist Barr apparently came at Barr’s urging. And again, that Barr asked Trump to contact other countries to ask them to introduce the attorney general and Durham to appropriate officials.
The president should not be within a million miles of this probe. Barr’s improper tag-team approach links the attorney general to Trump’s goal of smearing anyone involved in investigating him and can only further undermine public confidence in the department’s evenhandedness.
The overall rule that Barr has broken isn’t found in so many words in the Code of Federal Regulations or the Department of Justice Manual. But it’s the first rule for any attorney general: the rule of sound judgment and impartial apolitical administration of justice."
This is the usurpation of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States for political purposes. You folks giving this all a pass -- to say nothing of the workhorses reaching deep into the bag of tricks and deceptions and red herrings -- will really regret this, assuming you give a damn about the country rather than your preferred political party.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... rtant-one/
"Multiple news agencies reported Monday that Attorney General William P. Barr has had extensive personal involvement in the Justice Department’s investigations into the origins of the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election.
That involvement — including trips abroad for personal meetings with foreign officials — is certainly “fairly unorthodox,” in the words of a former Justice Department official. Is it also inappropriate?
After all, part of an attorney general’s job is to liaise with foreign counterparts. It’s not unusual to have in-person meetings, especially at the beginning of an attorney general’s tenure, both to meet and greet and to discuss mutual priorities.
Moreover, Barr is the head of the Justice Department. No department business is beyond his concern. Unlike, say, the barriers that are supposed to stand between the White House and the Justice Department, there is no out-of-bounds area for the department’s political appointees, much less the attorney general.
Thus, during Barr’s first tenure as attorney general, he personally argued a case in the Supreme Court, a task normally reserved to the solicitor general and his or her assistants. No one took him to task for weeding in the solicitor general’s garden.
So what, if anything, might be worrisome about Barr’s conduct now?
Well, plenty. For starters, while attorneys general do meet with foreign officials to cement working relationships and even communicate shared general priorities, transatlantic trips to ask for help on an individual investigation are beyond rare. It would even be unusual for an attorney general to pick up the phone to call a counterpart about an individual case.
Barr’s personal globe-trotting mission necessarily communicates that this one matter — of all the ongoing business of the Justice Department — is an unsurpassed priority of the department
Second and relatedly, Barr already has appointed a respected U.S. attorney, John Durham, to undertake the investigation. Many Justice Department investigations require cooperation with our most important foreign friends, and there are established channels of communication for Durham to work through if he needs help from intelligence agencies of other countries.
Third, the attorney general’s personal involvement compromises the whole idea of Durham’s independence. How is Durham supposed to ignore the bear riding piggyback on his shoulders?
That would be so even if the attorney general had no particular prejudice or bias with respect to the investigation. But the next problem, larger still, is that this attorney general brings strongly held preconceptions into an investigation that is supposed to be free of them.
Barr has repeatedly expressed suspicions of impropriety in the initiation of the Russia probe, including his inflammatory suggestion that the probe constituted “spying” on the Trump campaign.
It is hard not to conclude that Barr’s driving motivation is to turn up some nefarious aspect to the probe’s origins, backed by the imprimatur of a foreign government. And of course, nothing would please President Trump more.
Which brings us to the next big problem with Barr’s unusual campaign. Its animating idea, in fact obsession, is simply wacky. No one has ever shown any satisfactory basis for the various conspiracy theories that Trump defenders have trotted out to argue that the investigation into Russian meddling was rotten at the core.
Indeed, the whole enterprise of trying to discredit the probe is half-cocked. The revelations in the Mueller report of extensive efforts by the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election are beyond dispute and extraordinarily grave. It is fortunate that the FBI undertook the probe with the seriousness it merited.
Finally, the attorney general has not simply inserted himself into Durham’s probe. He has entered into a working partnership with Trump. Thus, we learned that the president’s recent call to the Australian prime minister to urge him to assist Barr apparently came at Barr’s urging. And again, that Barr asked Trump to contact other countries to ask them to introduce the attorney general and Durham to appropriate officials.
The president should not be within a million miles of this probe. Barr’s improper tag-team approach links the attorney general to Trump’s goal of smearing anyone involved in investigating him and can only further undermine public confidence in the department’s evenhandedness.
The overall rule that Barr has broken isn’t found in so many words in the Code of Federal Regulations or the Department of Justice Manual. But it’s the first rule for any attorney general: the rule of sound judgment and impartial apolitical administration of justice."
This is the usurpation of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States for political purposes. You folks giving this all a pass -- to say nothing of the workhorses reaching deep into the bag of tricks and deceptions and red herrings -- will really regret this, assuming you give a damn about the country rather than your preferred political party.
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In other words, Barr should have assigned some flunkie to the investigation & sandbagged it.
Thanks Harry.
Somebody show Harry the unsolicited offer of help letter from the Australian Ambassador.
But it was proper to run MidYear Exam out of FBI HQ rather than a field office.
Thanks Harry.
Somebody show Harry the unsolicited offer of help letter from the Australian Ambassador.
But it was proper to run MidYear Exam out of FBI HQ rather than a field office.
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In other words, folks chose what they want to believe....for now, I'm going with the individual(s) who have actual experience with the law, the constitution and the DOJ.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:00 pm In other words, Barr should have assigned some flunkie to the investigation & sandbagged it.
Thanks Harry.
Somebody show Harry the unsolicited offer of help letter from the Australian Ambassador.
But it was proper to run MidYear Exam out of FBI HQ rather than a field office.
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Actually he assigned a respected prosecutor. But he keeps getting involved in very non traditional ways here.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:00 pm In other words, Barr should have assigned some flunkie to the investigation & sandbagged it.
Thanks Harry.
Somebody show Harry the unsolicited offer of help letter from the Australian Ambassador.
But it was proper to run MidYear Exam out of FBI HQ rather than a field office.
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An investigation which could potentially implicate an ally's intel service in wrong doing, is worthy of a personal reassurance to elicit cooperation.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:29 pmActually he assigned a respected prosecutor. But he keeps getting involved in very non traditional ways here.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:00 pm In other words, Barr should have assigned some flunkie to the investigation & sandbagged it.
Thanks Harry.
Somebody show Harry the unsolicited offer of help letter from the Australian Ambassador.
But it was proper to run MidYear Exam out of FBI HQ rather than a field office.
This is not a traditional situation or investigation.
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The Russians helped Trump in widespread and systematic fashion. It was in all the papers. Dutch IC made movies of the hackers. Mueller indicted them. Manafort covered up for them. What do you suppose Australia can tell us now that they held back then?
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Here is Vox’s explainer about Barr’s “investigation” and how little sense it makes:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politic ... stralia-uk
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Nah, the guy he assigned to the task is a nobody.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:29 pmActually he assigned a respected prosecutor. But he keeps getting involved in very non traditional ways here.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:00 pm In other words, Barr should have assigned some flunkie to the investigation & sandbagged it.
Thanks Harry.
Somebody show Harry the unsolicited offer of help letter from the Australian Ambassador.
But it was proper to run MidYear Exam out of FBI HQ rather than a field office.
Desperately needed Barr to provide "reassurance"...why?
Well, because they're asking an ally to come up with something, anything, that will suggest that the Russians really didn't interfere in the election, it was really all a con job by the Dems. That's the 'ask' and it's indeed a huge 'ask'...since they'd have to make it up...
You Aussies don't want to have an issue with the POTUS do you?
Nice little country you have there, Prime Minister...wanta do more or less trade?
Hey, how do you feel about those North Koreans and America's nuclear umbrella?
None of which needs to be said aloud when the AG, much less POTUS himself, comes calling.
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Scary how whacko these guys are.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:21 pmHere is Vox’s explainer about Barr’s “investigation” and how little sense it makes:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politic ... stralia-uk
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Liar.
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I'd say everyone here can agree that this is what a self serving liar looks like.
Contrast Barr's flat out lies with Macguire's answers. It's black and white.
Barr is a blatant Trump toadie, and given the situation, that's a scary thing.
Contrast Barr's flat out lies with Macguire's answers. It's black and white.
Barr is a blatant Trump toadie, and given the situation, that's a scary thing.
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.. ...the FBI blames Papadop lying to them for their letting Mifsud get away.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:21 pmHere is Vox’s explainer about Barr’s “investigation” and how little sense it makes:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politic ... stralia-uk
Great work G-men. Maybe Barr can get the Carabinieri to help out.