The same percentage of folks that hated BHO, hate Trump...Trump is a skid mark, but I have no reason to hate him.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:41 amOK mdlax...whatever you say.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:40 amI don't 'hate' Trump, just the corruption, the dishonesty, the racism, the misogyny.
JUST the Stolen Documents/Mar-A-Lago/"Judge" Cannon Trial
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Hold your horses.....Brennan is reminding everyone to be a whistleblower. Just read his Twitter timeline.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:28 pm I'd say it's safe to say that we'll never see a whistleblower again.
Trump is practically BEGGING for anyone sitting on even trivial classified dirt on Trump to install a permanent open line to the Times and the WaPo.
"Like every American, I deserve to meet my accuser, especially when this accuser, the so-called 'Whistleblower,' represented a perfect conversation with a foreign leader in a totally inaccurate and fraudulent way," Trump tweeted before taking aim at House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff who confirmed earlier Sunday there is a tentative agreement for the whistleblower to testify before his committee.
@JohnBrennan
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A reminder to federal officials:
There is no limit on the number of individuals who can use the whistleblower statute.
If you think you were involved in unlawful activity as a result of a directive from Mr. Trump or someone doing his bidding, now is the time to report it.
Things like this are tearing us apart.
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Yep. I told you. I told you what would happen when the DNI doesn't follow the rules. And this is made that much worse because Trump is threatening the WB.
Anything bad that anyone can find on Trump will now go straight to the press. Ignore the WB act at your own peril.
Anything bad that anyone can find on Trump will now go straight to the press. Ignore the WB act at your own peril.
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It's being intentionally muddied by Trump and his fans.
It's simple. Trump, and his lawyer, admitted to asking the Ukrainian President to investigate a political rival who is running for President in 2020.
That's either ok with you, or it isn't.
The rest of the WB stuff and investigation surrounds secondary accusations like coverups and the like. I agree with you that that part is muddy, and we need more information.....lots more...before we can figure that out. Agree completely.
But the main, important allegation has been conceding by Trump. There is no mud.
YouthAthletics is ok with what Trump admitted. He's the only poster, so far, that is.
I'd like your position on the matter. Is it ok with you, or not?
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I fixed it for you.....a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:09 pmIt's being intentionally muddied by Trump and his fans.
It's simple. Trump, and his lawyer, admitted to asking the Ukrainian President to investigate (look into) a (past US VP) political rival who (was the VP for 8 years and coincidentally) is running for President in 2020.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
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“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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Have said before - I'd bet a Trump get indicted before a Clinton....or a Biden.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:05 pmI fixed it for you.....a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:09 pmIt's being intentionally muddied by Trump and his fans.
It's simple. Trump, and his lawyer, admitted to asking the Ukrainian President to investigate (look into) a (past US VP) political rival who (was the VP for 8 years and coincidentally) is running for President in 2020.
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Might very well happen, Trump is frazzled right now and if the r's start falling...he'll certainly come unglued. But when I sit back and look at this from a thousand foot view....I honestly believe his time here has revealed how eff'd up our internal gov't and agencies behave and how greedy for power they are. The direct lies that come out of their mouths w/o even the slightest facial tell that they are lying burns me up.foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:12 pmHave said before - I'd bet a Trump get indicted before a Clinton....or a Biden.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:05 pmI fixed it for you.....a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:09 pmIt's being intentionally muddied by Trump and his fans.
It's simple. Trump, and his lawyer, admitted to asking the Ukrainian President to investigate (look into) a (past US VP) political rival who (was the VP for 8 years and coincidentally) is running for President in 2020.
I will say, in the end, what it proves, is that a two party system will surely keep each other in check....to the point where nothing gets done, other than their members getting more wealthy.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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OUTSTANDING... the post of the year youth. No one else is even close. How true that we get the government we deserve. The best politicians that money can buy.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:24 pmMight very well happen, Trump is frazzled right now and if the r's start falling...he'll certainly come unglued. But when I sit back and look at this from a thousand foot view....I honestly believe his time here has revealed how eff'd up our internal gov't and agencies behave and how greedy for power they are. The direct lies that come out of their mouths w/o even the slightest facial tell that they are lying burns me up.foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:12 pmHave said before - I'd bet a Trump get indicted before a Clinton....or a Biden.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:05 pmI fixed it for you.....a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:09 pmIt's being intentionally muddied by Trump and his fans.
It's simple. Trump, and his lawyer, admitted to asking the Ukrainian President to investigate (look into) a (past US VP) political rival who (was the VP for 8 years and coincidentally) is running for President in 2020.
I will say, in the end, what it proves, is that a two party system will surely keep each other in check....to the point where nothing gets done, other than their members getting more wealthy.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
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You think it's a coincidence that Biden is running for President? Ok. Trump is our new law and order President who is outraged by corruption halfway around the world. And instead of asking him to make sure sure Americans aren't part of the corruption, he instead, just asks about Joe Biden.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:05 pmI fixed it for you.....a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:09 pmIt's being intentionally muddied by Trump and his fans.
It's simple. Trump, and his lawyer, admitted to asking the Ukrainian President to investigate (look into) a (past US VP) political rival who (was the VP for 8 years and coincidentally) is running for President in 2020.
You and I have very different world views, I'll leave it at that.
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My disgust with the .01%...and all that they control, leaves me in complete agreement with your post.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:24 pmMight very well happen, Trump is frazzled right now and if the r's start falling...he'll certainly come unglued. But when I sit back and look at this from a thousand foot view....I honestly believe his time here has revealed how eff'd up our internal gov't and agencies behave and how greedy for power they are. The direct lies that come out of their mouths w/o even the slightest facial tell that they are lying burns me up.foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:12 pmHave said before - I'd bet a Trump get indicted before a Clinton....or a Biden.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:05 pmI fixed it for you.....a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:09 pmIt's being intentionally muddied by Trump and his fans.
It's simple. Trump, and his lawyer, admitted to asking the Ukrainian President to investigate (look into) a (past US VP) political rival who (was the VP for 8 years and coincidentally) is running for President in 2020.
I will say, in the end, what it proves, is that a two party system will surely keep each other in check....to the point where nothing gets done, other than their members getting more wealthy.
None of the these clowns have to adhere to the same rules as the rest of us and it sure feels like there isn't a single thing we can do about it.
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Hmmmm.....are you suggesting Biden is running solely to set up Trump and be the cheese to catch that rat? Or was that an unintended understanding of your statement.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:31 pmYou think it's a coincidence that Biden is running for President?youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:05 pmI fixed it for you.....a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:09 pmIt's being intentionally muddied by Trump and his fans.
It's simple. Trump, and his lawyer, admitted to asking the Ukrainian President to investigate (look into) a (past US VP) political rival who (was the VP for 8 years and coincidentally) is running for President in 2020.
You and I have very different world views, I'll leave it at that.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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Is that a serious question, YA? You are really working hard here.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:46 pmHmmmm.....are you suggesting Biden is running solely to set up Trump and be the cheese to catch that rat? Or was that an unintended understanding of your statement.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:31 pmYou think it's a coincidence that Biden is running for President?youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:05 pmI fixed it for you.....a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:09 pmIt's being intentionally muddied by Trump and his fans.
It's simple. Trump, and his lawyer, admitted to asking the Ukrainian President to investigate (look into) a (past US VP) political rival who (was the VP for 8 years and coincidentally) is running for President in 2020.
You and I have very different world views, I'll leave it at that.
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The intent of my sentence, YA, is that you're going out of your way to give Trump a pass for corruption.
Understand what you're supporting. If this doesn't get him impeached, it is open season on political enemies.
FoxNation is telling everyone how corrupt the Ukraine is, yes? How hard is it to fabricate Ukrainian business documents in an environment like that?
"Hey, look here. "Evidence" of Hunter doing bad stuff."
What Trump is asking is crazy corrupt on its face.
Remember how upset everyone was over Fusion GPS? Picture how happy you would have been if we had a wiretap of Hillary calling Putin and asking for him to investigate Trump, and boom, Putin hands him the Steele Report.
You think that's ok, too?
I don't.
Understand what you're supporting. If this doesn't get him impeached, it is open season on political enemies.
FoxNation is telling everyone how corrupt the Ukraine is, yes? How hard is it to fabricate Ukrainian business documents in an environment like that?
"Hey, look here. "Evidence" of Hunter doing bad stuff."
What Trump is asking is crazy corrupt on its face.
Remember how upset everyone was over Fusion GPS? Picture how happy you would have been if we had a wiretap of Hillary calling Putin and asking for him to investigate Trump, and boom, Putin hands him the Steele Report.
You think that's ok, too?
I don't.
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This sequence of events all started with Russian collusion by whom? the left, that who, when in fact, it may have started in the last administrationby whom? the left, thats who....and you are giving the Bidens' at a minimum of all the players, a pass. If turnabout is not fair play, well then I understand why your stance is so dug in only on this recent Trump phone call.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:00 pm The intent of my sentence, YA, is that you're going out of your way to give Trump a pass for corruption.
Understand what you're supporting. If this doesn't get him impeached, it is open season on political enemies.
FoxNation is telling everyone how corrupt the Ukraine is, yes? How hard is it to fabricate Ukrainian business documents in an environment like that?
"Hey, look here. "Evidence" of Hunter doing bad stuff."
What Trump is asking is crazy corrupt on its face.
Remember how upset everyone was over Fusion GPS? Picture how happy you would have been if we had a wiretap of Hillary calling Putin and asking for him to investigate Trump, and boom, Putin hands him the Steele Report.
You think that's ok, too?
I don't.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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It just keeps getting worse...
Pompeo was in on the Trump Zelensky phone call:
https://t.co/LRkiyaLzXQ
And Trump pressured Australia to assist Barr in figuring out the Mueller investigation origins:
https://t.co/SvMcGefNtD
Pompeo was in on the Trump Zelensky phone call:
https://t.co/LRkiyaLzXQ
And Trump pressured Australia to assist Barr in figuring out the Mueller investigation origins:
https://t.co/SvMcGefNtD
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Pompeo was on the shakedown call? He’s known all along? According to senior State Department staff.
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What is that line from triple R... "they are all the same" true datyouthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:24 pmThis sequence of events all started with Russian collusion by whom? the left, that who, when in fact, it may have started in the last administrationby whom? the left, thats who....and you are giving the Bidens' at a minimum of all the players, a pass. If turnabout is not fair play, well then I understand why your stance is so dug in only on this recent Trump phone call.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:00 pm The intent of my sentence, YA, is that you're going out of your way to give Trump a pass for corruption.
Understand what you're supporting. If this doesn't get him impeached, it is open season on political enemies.
FoxNation is telling everyone how corrupt the Ukraine is, yes? How hard is it to fabricate Ukrainian business documents in an environment like that?
"Hey, look here. "Evidence" of Hunter doing bad stuff."
What Trump is asking is crazy corrupt on its face.
Remember how upset everyone was over Fusion GPS? Picture how happy you would have been if we had a wiretap of Hillary calling Putin and asking for him to investigate Trump, and boom, Putin hands him the Steele Report.
You think that's ok, too?
I don't.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
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So the idea here, is you think the way you can "get back at Biden and the libs", by letting Trump corrupt the office of the President, and not pay any price.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:24 pm by whom? the left, thats who....and you are giving the Bidens' at a minimum of all the players, a pass. If turnabout is not fair play, well then I understand why your stance is so dug in only on this recent Trump phone call.
Explain to me how you think this fixes these problems?
And you didn't answer my question. You're ok with Hillary calling Putin, asking him to "investigate" Trump before last election?
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I do not believe trump has corrupted the office...remember, so try not to conflate the issue by adding qualifiers.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:45 pmSo the idea here, is you think the way you can "get back at Biden and the libs", is by letting Trump corrupt the office of the President.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:24 pm by whom? the left, thats who....and you are giving the Bidens' at a minimum of all the players, a pass. If turnabout is not fair play, well then I understand why your stance is so dug in only on this recent Trump phone call.
Explain to me how you think this fixes these problems?
You fix problems by getting to their cores....and if we (the r’s) investigate the last admin for reasons equivalent to what they claimed the r’s did and find a smoking gun.....then we got to the core.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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How in heaven's name can you think that what Biden did was illegal, yet what Trump did was legal?
There is nothing illegal about Hunter getting a puff job in Ukraine. I wish it was illegal, but it's not. It's unethical, just as it is for Ivanka to "work" for the Federal government. In addition, you already told me Ukraine is a corrupt country. How can you trust any information/"evidence" they give us? You can't.
What Trump did is an entirely different issue, and has absolutely no parallels to what Hunter Biden did.
So I ask again, would you be ok if Hillary asked Putin to "investigate" Trump during the last election. After all, there were "reports" of Trump's corruption ,right? So would you be ok with Hillary, or heck, Obama to make the analogy better, asking Putin to investigate Trump?
There is nothing illegal about Hunter getting a puff job in Ukraine. I wish it was illegal, but it's not. It's unethical, just as it is for Ivanka to "work" for the Federal government. In addition, you already told me Ukraine is a corrupt country. How can you trust any information/"evidence" they give us? You can't.
What Trump did is an entirely different issue, and has absolutely no parallels to what Hunter Biden did.
So I ask again, would you be ok if Hillary asked Putin to "investigate" Trump during the last election. After all, there were "reports" of Trump's corruption ,right? So would you be ok with Hillary, or heck, Obama to make the analogy better, asking Putin to investigate Trump?