Trump's Russian Collusion

[HooDat]

I hope Trump get's nailed for this, and I hope it happens fast.

But, even more important to me is that this whole thing blows the lid off of the influence peddling that has become our government.

Perfect outcome - Trump get's nailed - even better, we do a Nixon, he steps down, Pence pardons him (like then, our country really doesn't need convicted presidents) but does NOT run for re-election. At the same time the stink on Biden takes him out of the race, perhaps along with a few other corrupt D candidates who now see the level of scrutiny their past actions are about to get.

the result: just maybe we get some decent candidates from both sides. Tulsi, Yang, Buttegeieg -v- Haley, Weld, maybe even Rice?

[foreverlax]

Trump Was Repeatedly Warned That Ukraine Conspiracy Theory Was ‘Completely Debunked’

Thomas P. Bossert, President Trump’s first homeland security adviser, said he was “deeply disturbed” that Mr. Trump had urged Ukraine to investigate Democrats.

President Trump was repeatedly warned by his own staff that the Ukraine conspiracy theory that he and his lawyer were pursuing was “completely debunked” long before the president pressed Ukraine this summer to investigate his Democratic rivals, a former top adviser said on Sunday.

Thomas P. Bossert, who served as Mr. Trump’s first homeland security adviser, said he told the president there was no basis to the theory that Ukraine, not Russia, intervened in the 2016 election and did so on behalf of the Democrats. Speaking out for the first time, Mr. Bossert said he was “deeply disturbed” that Mr. Trump nonetheless tried to get Ukraine’s president to produce damaging information about Democrats.

[old salt]

“There has never been any requirement that #whistleblowers were required to possess first-hand knowledge to file complaint. No law anywhere states that.” Says the lawyer for Deep Whistle. The story about some last minute change to that requirement is false, pushed by Republican trolls.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-shows ... ower-smear

It was part of the IC WB complaint criteria to designate a complaint as "urgent" & require Congressional notification, imposing the 14 + 7 day time limits.

[ABV 8.3%]

I didn't say anything about .35---->.55.

Where he lied was starting at the 1.00 mark, and at 1.30 is where he says "then they want to throw it into the Senate for a spectacle".

That's a lie. Pelosi has no such power to do that. The House has to publicly vote on impeachment. Levin is telling viewers that they don't have to vote to move it to the Senate. Pelosi just has to "throw it to the Senate", whatever that means.

Why call it a lie if you don't know what he means?

[Trinity]

But it doesn’t pollute the evidence or make it inadmissible. The righty story is that this form change exempts Trump from unfair oversight.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Yes. Biden is a 2020 candidate for President, yes?

Perhaps you'd like to clarify why you posted that highlighted portion?

actually - right now Biden is a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president. He is not an opponent of Trump, he is an opponent of Warren, Sanders, Harris, et al

Potential opponent....there that makes it ok.

[Trinity]

Trump’s tweets this morning suggest a civil war over his removal is possible. He demands to meet his accuser. And Adam Schiff should be arrested.

[MDlaxfan76]

you assume I don't because I don't post a comment? something about presumptions. Perhaps my mistake is I AM REPLYING to a comment several pages before. evah notice that?

So I give you quotes proving you're making assumptions that are incorrect, and you can't simply say "yeah, you're right, I'll ease up"?

Come on my friend. If you're going to ask me to tone it down, you've got to give a little, too. Tell me I'm right, and move on. Just as I'm about to do below.
No...you accused me of NOT reading what you and others wrote. Because I don't reply. Don't make this bigger than it IS small.

A collective YOU do NOT hammer libs or praise tRump Again, 90% of ALL posts are Trump related

Of course they are! He's the President! What are we supposed to talk about here?

tRump doesn't vote for the bills. We are supposed to discuss legislation, Congress, Lobbyists, Citizens United, USS pos FORD, etc. Ever go to the same party, over and over and over again?

Asking that the press or posters to cover one Dem candidate of over a dozen at anywhere near the same level as a sitting President is absurd.

But you know this. Devil's Advocate is great. Evenhandedness is great. But that doesn't mean we have to get ridiculous about it, and start posting articles about corrupt Dog Catchers because they have liberal views.

Our most active thread when Obama was President was (Drumroll) "The Obama era". Coincidence.

So, you are agreeing with my observation that your tone has changed ? Seems like it.

Absolutely, you're right! I'm returning fire. But as I said, I've now toned it down, and expect you to do the same.

But if you go back to attack after attack with a different tone? I'll call it out. And if you don't stop, then no more complaining when I return fire.

Fair? Yes, fair. However, like MDLaxfan, lots of passive aggressive causeNeffect. (he just called me a wimp ) But, he won't claim he insulted first. I think you are not understanding the importance of who "hits" first. Is calling someone a wimp an insult? If I reply (don't care ) Is reply to said insult hitting first? Lots of bitting sarcasm from many, including myself. I try to make it about taats, not us. We are not the problem, but we sure do a great job of putting US in the problem que when we should be fishing.

There are quite a few 'wimps' who attack John McCain, so if you want to place yourself among them, so be it.
Interestingly, it's very much a Trumpist thing, RRR, so it's another instance where you agree with that worldview.

[MDlaxfan76]

Trump’s tweets this morning suggest a civil war over his removal is possible. He demands to meet his accuser. And Adam Schiff should be arrested.

and tried for treason...

If folks don't understand who this guy really is by now, he's going to make it very clear...

[foreverlax]

I didn't say anything about .35---->.55.

Where he lied was starting at the 1.00 mark, and at 1.30 is where he says "then they want to throw it into the Senate for a spectacle".

That's a lie. Pelosi has no such power to do that. The House has to publicly vote on impeachment. Levin is telling viewers that they don't have to vote to move it to the Senate. Pelosi just has to "throw it to the Senate", whatever that means.

Why call it a lie if you don't know what he means?

Why do you ask so many questions and rarely give your own point of view?

[ABV 8.3%]

Yes. Biden is a 2020 candidate for President, yes?

Perhaps you'd like to clarify why you posted that highlighted portion?

actually - right now Biden is a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president. He is not an opponent of Trump, he is an opponent of Warren, Sanders, Harris, et al

Potential opponent....there that makes it ok.

when Pelosi, who I like and respect, said Trump withheld millions in "a$$istance", what did she mean?

Does she mean that the raytheon and lockhead martin stock she owns.....and her donors, friends in the DNC, etc. own.........will suffer b/c the builders of the Javelin won't get paid until the anti-tank killers are shipped ?

Why the F does the Ukraine need OUR defensive weapons in the first place?

Why the pretend liberals are NOT ranting and raving about private US companies using our tax dollars for R&D at colleges, etc, to build killing machines, and then those same private companies sell them to our frenemies, with zero to little tax benefits for the people that funded the killing machine development in the first place............is beyond me.

When are the liberals going to march in the streets to join the ANTI-war machine (aka Military industrial monopoly) or support the anti -mim Presidential candidate like Tulsi Gabbard?

[old salt]

But it doesn’t pollute the evidence or make it inadmissible. The righty story is that this form change exempts Trump from unfair oversight.

...& gets the WB complaint to Congress, so it can trigger the press conference & public hearing SchiffShow.

Normally, this complaint would have been fully investigated (without the Congressional notification timeline) by the IC IG & closed, without becoming a public matter, unless the full investigation substantiated the claim. If the WB was not satisfied with the IG's finding, he could then take it to the Congressional Intel comm's. All without public disclosure, because of the complaint & evidence would not yet be declassified.

Schiff's hearings should be behind closed doors & none of this should (yet) be public matters.
Somebody leaked.

[MDlaxfan76]

But it doesn’t pollute the evidence or make it inadmissible. The righty story is that this form change exempts Trump from unfair oversight.

...& gets the WB complaint to Congress, so it can trigger the press conference & public hearing SchiffShow.

Normally, this complaint would have been fully investigated (without the Congressional notification timeline) by the IG & closed, without becoming a public matter, unless the full investigation substantiated the claim. If the WB was not satisfied with the IG's finding, he could then take it to the Congressional Intel comm's. All without public disclosure, because of the complaint & evidence would not yet be declassified.

Schiff's hearings should be closed & none of this should (yet) be public matters.
Somebody leaked.

Ahhh well, the truth was outed.

55% of Americans currently in favor of moving impeachment inquiry forward.

Some of the investigation will indeed be 'closed' (depositions, IG) but it's virtually all going to be exposed publicly in due course.

[ABV 8.3%]

I didn't say anything about .35---->.55.

Where he lied was starting at the 1.00 mark, and at 1.30 is where he says "then they want to throw it into the Senate for a spectacle".

That's a lie. Pelosi has no such power to do that. The House has to publicly vote on impeachment. Levin is telling viewers that they don't have to vote to move it to the Senate. Pelosi just has to "throw it to the Senate", whatever that means.

Why call it a lie if you don't know what he means?

Why do you ask so many questions and rarely give your own point of view?

My point of view is: stop calling something a LIE if you don't know what the person means in the first place.

It created unfounded tension amongst certain posters. Frankly, it made me nervous. Arguments, belittlement.......I needed my safe space after reading it. Treading lightly, don't want to be called a wimp, or someone not understanding what a rhetorical question vs. real one is?

[MDlaxfan76]

Yes. Biden is a 2020 candidate for President, yes?

Perhaps you'd like to clarify why you posted that highlighted portion?

actually - right now Biden is a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president. He is not an opponent of Trump, he is an opponent of Warren, Sanders, Harris, et al

Potential opponent....there that makes it ok.

when Pelosi, who I like and respect, said Trump withheld millions in "a$$istance", what did she mean?

Does she mean that the raytheon and lockhead martin stock she owns.....and her donors, friends in the DNC, etc. own.........will suffer b/c the builders of the Javelin won't get paid until the anti-tank killers are shipped ?

Why the F does the Ukraine need OUR defensive weapons in the first place?

Why the pretend liberals are NOT ranting and raving about private US companies using our tax dollars for R&D at colleges, etc, to build killing machines, and then those same private companies sell them to our frenemies, with zero to little tax benefits for the people that funded the killing machine development in the first place............is beyond me.

When are the liberals going to march in the streets to join the ANTI-war machine (aka Military industrial monopoly) or support the anti -mim Presidential candidate like Tulsi Gabbard?

ok, so this post is positioned as a far left isolationist, appeasement POV, so far left it comes around to the right wing isolationist, appeasement of Russia in specific POV.

The funds were authorized and directed by Congress, bi-partisan, but does Congress no longer matter?
Well sure... in the authoritarian worldview with which you seem comfortable aligning.

[MDlaxfan76]

I didn't say anything about .35---->.55.

Where he lied was starting at the 1.00 mark, and at 1.30 is where he says "then they want to throw it into the Senate for a spectacle".

That's a lie. Pelosi has no such power to do that. The House has to publicly vote on impeachment. Levin is telling viewers that they don't have to vote to move it to the Senate. Pelosi just has to "throw it to the Senate", whatever that means.

Why call it a lie if you don't know what he means?

Why do you ask so many questions and rarely give your own point of view?

My point of view is: stop calling something a LIE if you don't know what the person means in the first place.

It created unfounded tension amongst certain posters. Frankly, it made me nervous. Arguments, belittlement.......I needed my safe space after reading it. Treading lightly, don't want to be called a wimp, or someone not understanding what a rhetorical question vs. real one is?

When you and your alter ego stop misspelling McCain's name and stop denigrating his honor as if all errors of judgment are equal, I'll back off in describing such distasteful critique as from "wimps".

[ABV 8.3%]

Trump’s tweets this morning suggest a civil war over his removal is possible. He demands to meet his accuser. And Adam Schiff should be arrested.

So, which person that did NOT volunteer for military service, even after 9/11, is going to take up arms for YOU.....Donald ? someone with a twatter account that follows this blowhard please post this question.

[HooDat]

Yes. Biden is a 2020 candidate for President, yes?

Perhaps you'd like to clarify why you posted that highlighted portion?

actually - right now Biden is a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president. He is not an opponent of Trump, he is an opponent of Warren, Sanders, Harris, et al

Potential opponent....there that makes it ok.

not saying it makes it OK, just saying it is different. Right now - Biden has a bunch of political opponents and they are all Democrats. If Trump were a competent bad-guy he would not have used up these bullets until he knew Biden had won the nomination. All this does is let the D's make a more informed decision about who their candidate should be.


MD's points below are the best thing that is coming out of this, maybe, just maybe we will end up with long-term reform?? This needs to be investigated. Things like Biden's son selling access and the Clinton foundation raising hundreds of millions of $$'s selling access and hiring their kids can not be the "norm" - it reeks.

The fact that under "normal" circumstances all of this would have been swept under the rug of "efficiency" and "privacy" and "nothing to see here" is a load of garbage. If nothing else, the fact that Trump is as loathsome and clumsy as he is, has made the folks that normally help white-wash everything raise flags. Will it continue when someone they "like" is in the WH? I doubt it.....

Ahhh well, the truth was outed.

55% of Americans currently in favor of moving impeachment inquiry forward.

Some of the investigation will indeed be 'closed' (depositions, IG) but it's virtually all going to be exposed publicly in due course.

[HooDat]

Trump’s tweets this morning suggest a civil war over his removal is possible. He demands to meet his accuser. And Adam Schiff should be arrested.

So, which person that did NOT volunteer for military service, even after 9/11, is going to take up arms for YOU.....Donald ? someone with a twatter account that follows this blowhard please post this question.

Trumps tweets on this subject are coming across as unhinged. The tone of them alone makes me think he is guilty af.

[ABV 8.3%]

There are quite a few 'wimps' who attack John McCain, so if you want to place yourself among them, so be it.
Interestingly, it's very much a Trumpist thing, RRR, so it's another instance where you agree with that worldview.

So pathetic. NO.....it's very much a Veteran thing. trump got more votes in Massachusettes than Mclame did. What does that tell you?

Any military officer, now elected official, that attacks a high school girl IS very much a Trumpist thing. Why you don't see this is pathetic.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father ? " quote/joke from Sen. John McCain.

But, he regretted it.....so it's ok.