Ahhh cradle, there you go again being personally insulting.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:20 pmBiden was doing his job in America's interest, not his self-interest. MD you can't possibly be this dumb. i forgot... you are a lifelong some bizarre type of republican. My apologies to you... you are that dumb. MD you reinforce on a daily basis just how screwed up the republican party is. So when Mittens was being disemboweled by the democrats did that bother you? The democrats must love republicans such as yourself. You are a Mittens clone. You just want to be loved by the democrats for being fair and open minded and non judgmental of all people. IMO you represent the blueblood Rockefeller wing of the republicans. A bunch of arrogant wealthy elitist country club/yacht club snobs that have never had dirt under your finger nails your entire life. The republicans deserve your ilk...MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:41 amNope, as explained on another thread in detail.ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:07 amJust wow.......you see NO PROBLEM with what Joe Biden said? patheticTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:55 pmDid Joe hide that conversation on a secret server?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:51 pm this is paraphrasing Joe Bidens words... I looked at them and said I'm leaving in 6 hours your not getting the money if you don't fire him... SON OF A complain THEY FIRED HIM. I understand how some of those fanatical right wing folks would see that as extortion. I understand even more how the misfits here on the FLP side of the discussion are not smart enough to see the itsy bitsy problem with what Joe just said. I don't have a PhD but it seems to me if you demand a foreign government acquiescence to your demands or you will withhold payment to them... how else is that action to be defined? Son of a complain I want to understand this better... Sure sounds like extortion to me. I was even curious enough to look up the definition of extortion just for clarification...
Extortion... The practice of obtaining something especially money, through force or threats. So I break it down so I can understand it better. The VP Biden demands that the Ukranians fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son just happens to represent. The wording goes if you don't do it your not getting the billion dollars. What the hell was I thinking... no appearance of impropriety here... Hell maybe, technically this is more reverse extortion... I get it now...
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Biden was doing his job in America's interest, not his self-interest.
And you really have no clue how much 'dirt under your fingernails' I and my family have had in our lives.
I've cited the timeline, sorry that it just doesn't line up with the right wing fever swamp's claptrap, but them's the facts...at least as we actually know them.
When other facts can be presented that are actual facts rather than total speculation, I'm happy to consider. I've no affection for Biden (though I do think some of his life story makes him eminently more likable and empathetic than many); I'd just prefer him to Sanders or warren.
It really doesn't matter what part of the GOP might best describe my views, Rockefeller's fine but before my time. HW Bush, Mac Mathias, Jack Kemp...McCain...Flake...
I assume by "Mittens" you mean Mitt Romney? (classic insult of right wing swamp). Yes, I think/thought he was an honorable man, not to mention a very accomplished business leader (night and day on both fronts to DJT). I don't agree that he was "disemboweled" in any sense, though I did resent how the Dems went after him on the binders of women comment as I think his heart was very much in the right place on that one. On the 47% comment, that's on him. I realize he was trying to speak the language of right wing donors in the room he was courting, but it was an egregious mistake and flat wrong to have said. I've been disappointed in his passivity, to date, on Trump...but we'll see.
All that said, Obama was a far better candidate than Mitt, much as I supported Romney.
I have no desire to be 'loved' by anyone in a political sense, but hating or despising the bulk of the ideological left seems to me a recipe for disaster as well.