Hunter Biden Corruption - Important and Meaningful issue

[get it to x]

I am a big Trump fan but you would have a hard time proving any of this is illegal. Is it ethical? Ethics only apply to the average Joe or Josephine. If you are going to hold yourself up as some moral compass, you tell your kid to knock it off because his dirt is getting on you. This is why I like Trump. He's a street fighter in a suit. He doesn't try and tell you he's morally superior. He's also a successful executive, which is the number one job qualification.

Beside's, when Dems decide to have their vote he will declassify the FOIA abuse documents and impeachment for a phone call will look like a "pimple on a gnats ass".

[Typical Lax Dad]

Who knew?

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.msnbc.com/velshi-ruhle/watc ... 0105157770

Maybe Jared and Ivanka should step down. It looks bad. Trading on daddy’s power.

[cradleandshoot]

this is paraphrasing Joe Bidens words... I looked at them and said I'm leaving in 6 hours your not getting the money if you don't fire him... SON OF A complain THEY FIRED HIM. I understand how some of those fanatical right wing folks would see that as extortion. I understand even more how the misfits here on the FLP side of the discussion are not smart enough to see the itsy bitsy problem with what Joe just said. I don't have a PhD but it seems to me if you demand a foreign government acquiescence to your demands or you will withhold payment to them... how else is that action to be defined? Son of a complain I want to understand this better... Sure sounds like extortion to me. I was even curious enough to look up the definition of extortion just for clarification...

Extortion... The practice of obtaining something especially money, through force or threats. So I break it down so I can understand it better. The VP Biden demands that the Ukranians fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son just happens to represent. The wording goes if you don't do it your not getting the billion dollars. What the hell was I thinking... no appearance of impropriety here... Hell maybe, technically this is more reverse extortion... I get it now...

[Typical Lax Dad]

this is paraphrasing Joe Bidens words... I looked at them and said I'm leaving in 6 hours your not getting the money if you don't fire him... SON OF A complain THEY FIRED HIM. I understand how some of those fanatical right wing folks would see that as extortion. I understand even more how the misfits here on the FLP side of the discussion are not smart enough to see the itsy bitsy problem with what Joe just said. I don't have a PhD but it seems to me if you demand a foreign government acquiescence to your demands or you will withhold payment to them... how else is that action to be defined? Son of a complain I want to understand this better... Sure sounds like extortion to me. I was even curious enough to look up the definition of extortion just for clarification...

Extortion... The practice of obtaining something especially money, through force or threats. So I break it down so I can understand it better. The VP Biden demands that the Ukranians fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son just happens to represent. The wording goes if you don't do it your not getting the billion dollars. What the hell was I thinking... no appearance of impropriety here... Hell maybe, technically this is more reverse extortion... I get it now...

Did Joe hide that conversation on a secret server?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/23/poli ... index.html

[cradleandshoot]

this is paraphrasing Joe Bidens words... I looked at them and said I'm leaving in 6 hours your not getting the money if you don't fire him... SON OF A complain THEY FIRED HIM. I understand how some of those fanatical right wing folks would see that as extortion. I understand even more how the misfits here on the FLP side of the discussion are not smart enough to see the itsy bitsy problem with what Joe just said. I don't have a PhD but it seems to me if you demand a foreign government acquiescence to your demands or you will withhold payment to them... how else is that action to be defined? Son of a complain I want to understand this better... Sure sounds like extortion to me. I was even curious enough to look up the definition of extortion just for clarification...

Extortion... The practice of obtaining something especially money, through force or threats. So I break it down so I can understand it better. The VP Biden demands that the Ukranians fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son just happens to represent. The wording goes if you don't do it your not getting the billion dollars. What the hell was I thinking... no appearance of impropriety here... Hell maybe, technically this is more reverse extortion... I get it now...

Did Joe hide that conversation on a secret server?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/23/poli ... index.html

I thought the purpose of this thread was to focus on the topic at hand. FOCUS my friend... FOCUS. Not to put words in his mouth but I think that was the purpose CU88 started this thread for. We need to keep the Trump garbage separated from the Uncle Joe garbage... please

[a fan]

I am a big Trump fan but you would have a hard time proving any of this is illegal. Is it ethical? Ethics only apply to the average Joe or Josephine.

You tell your kids that?

He's also a successful executive, which is the number one job qualification.

He inherited tens of millions from daddy. In what world does that mean he's a successful executive?

Using your metric, my daughter is going to be a successful executive before she sets one foot in our family business.

[Typical Lax Dad]

this is paraphrasing Joe Bidens words... I looked at them and said I'm leaving in 6 hours your not getting the money if you don't fire him... SON OF A complain THEY FIRED HIM. I understand how some of those fanatical right wing folks would see that as extortion. I understand even more how the misfits here on the FLP side of the discussion are not smart enough to see the itsy bitsy problem with what Joe just said. I don't have a PhD but it seems to me if you demand a foreign government acquiescence to your demands or you will withhold payment to them... how else is that action to be defined? Son of a complain I want to understand this better... Sure sounds like extortion to me. I was even curious enough to look up the definition of extortion just for clarification...

Extortion... The practice of obtaining something especially money, through force or threats. So I break it down so I can understand it better. The VP Biden demands that the Ukranians fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son just happens to represent. The wording goes if you don't do it your not getting the billion dollars. What the hell was I thinking... no appearance of impropriety here... Hell maybe, technically this is more reverse extortion... I get it now...

Did Joe hide that conversation on a secret server?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/23/poli ... index.html

I thought the purpose of this thread was to focus on the topic at hand. FOCUS my friend... FOCUS. Not to put words in his mouth but I think that was the purpose CU88 started this thread for. We need to keep the Trump garbage separated from the Uncle Joe garbage... please

Thanks

[lagerhead]

Cradle it was all a joke.

[old salt]

I feel the EXACT same way about Maguire as I did before. Your understanding of morality continues to baffle me. Geez.

You're telling me that if an honest man breaks the law, there should be no consequences. Where the heck did this line of thinking come from?

Honest men speed. And murder. Old salt says: meh, let 'em off. They're honest, after all.

And yep, I ABSOLUTELY think that Maguire should be fired. No question whatsoever. If you're so blind that you can't see that sending a WB complaint about the President to the President's people? What the heck else are you blind about?

.. ...it's not breaking the law if you go to the law enforcement agency & request guidance before you act.

Maguire acted on the advice of the DNI General Counsel who referred the matter to the DoJ & then followed their guidance.

It's a good thing that they did, because the ICWPA (& it's time constraints) did not apply to this WB's complaint, on several grounds.

It's not breaking the law just because you don't understand the law.

Our WB law is stronger than ever. This has been a tutorial for any potential whistleblower.
They've even learned there's a law firm in Langley which pays WB's to come forward.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... inst-trump

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new- ... eyre-fired

[ardilla secreta]

I am a big Trump fan but you would have a hard time proving any of this is illegal. Is it ethical? Ethics only apply to the average Joe or Josephine.

You tell your kids that?

He's also a successful executive, which is the number one job qualification.

He inherited tens of millions from daddy. In what world does that mean he's a successful executive?

Using your metric, my daughter is going to be a successful executive before she sets one foot in our family business.

From the New Yorker. https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-colu ... ser-of-all

As a Businessman, Trump Was the Biggest Loser of All
Last October, the New York Times published a monumental exposé of how Donald Trump and other members of the Trump family engaged in sham financial schemes during the nineteen-nineties, including what the newspaper described as “instances of outright fraud,” to avoid paying hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes on the real-estate fortune that Fred Trump passed on to his children. Last month, the three reporters who wrote the story—David Barstow, Susanne Craig, and Russ Buettner—were awarded the Pulitzer Prize in explanatory reporting.

It’s a good thing Trump vodka, Trump U, Trump Casinos, Trump Mortgage, Trump Magazine are all massive successes.

[a fan]

.. ...it's not breaking the law if you go to the law enforcement agency & request guidance before you act.

Never said it was. I said that was conflict of interest that even a child could understand. You make it sound like "law enforcement agency" is Barney Fife in Mayberry. The law enforcement agency was Barr, Trump's direct report.

Maguire acted on the advice of the DNI General Counsel who referred the matter to the DoJ & then followed their guidance.

The DNI General Counsel is the brother in law of Christopher Wray. Another conflict.

Our WB law is stronger than ever. This has been a tutorial for any potential whistleblower.

Oh, totally.

It's a COMPLETE success when the whistleblower's complaint it handed to the person that the complaint is about within a few days of the complaint being filed.

I'm sure the WB thought that was super neat. And was further thrilled to hear that the President threatened anyone who the WB might have spoken with.

Oh yeah, we're all set here.

[RedFromMI]

this is paraphrasing Joe Bidens words... I looked at them and said I'm leaving in 6 hours your not getting the money if you don't fire him... SON OF A complain THEY FIRED HIM. I understand how some of those fanatical right wing folks would see that as extortion. I understand even more how the misfits here on the FLP side of the discussion are not smart enough to see the itsy bitsy problem with what Joe just said. I don't have a PhD but it seems to me if you demand a foreign government acquiescence to your demands or you will withhold payment to them... how else is that action to be defined? Son of a complain I want to understand this better... Sure sounds like extortion to me. I was even curious enough to look up the definition of extortion just for clarification...

Extortion... The practice of obtaining something especially money, through force or threats. So I break it down so I can understand it better. The VP Biden demands that the Ukranians fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son just happens to represent. The wording goes if you don't do it your not getting the billion dollars. What the hell was I thinking... no appearance of impropriety here... Hell maybe, technically this is more reverse extortion... I get it now...

Except that prosecutor was NOT investigating Burisma when he got fired. He had let that investigation lie dormant for OVER a YEAR by that point. That same prosecutor had also fired all the subordinate prosecutors who were actually doing work that might reduce corruption. To say he was investigating Hunter Biden would be a lie pure and simple.

So any “extortion” essentially was saying to Ukraine fire this guy who is doing nothing and replace him with someone who will help get the corruption problem under control or else lose out support. That is a benefit both for Ukraine and the West, who can then have better trust when dealing with most anything in the country, and essentially nothing of a personal nature.

The same cannot be said for what Trump was doing.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I feel the EXACT same way about Maguire as I did before. Your understanding of morality continues to baffle me. Geez.

You're telling me that if an honest man breaks the law, there should be no consequences. Where the heck did this line of thinking come from?

Honest men speed. And murder. Old salt says: meh, let 'em off. They're honest, after all.

And yep, I ABSOLUTELY think that Maguire should be fired. No question whatsoever. If you're so blind that you can't see that sending a WB complaint about the President to the President's people? What the heck else are you blind about?

.. ...it's not breaking the law if you go to the law enforcement agency & request guidance before you act.

Maguire acted on the advice of the DNI General Counsel who referred the matter to the DoJ & then followed their guidance.

It's a good thing that they did, because the ICWPA (& it's time constraints) did not apply to this WB's complaint, on several grounds.

It's not breaking the law just because you don't understand the law.

Our WB law is stronger than ever. This has been a tutorial for any potential whistleblower.
They've even learned there's a law firm in Langley which pays WB's to come forward.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... inst-trump

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new- ... eyre-fired

More propaganda from a Republican MSM proxie.

[MDlaxfan76]

I feel the EXACT same way about Maguire as I did before. Your understanding of morality continues to baffle me. Geez.

You're telling me that if an honest man breaks the law, there should be no consequences. Where the heck did this line of thinking come from?

Honest men speed. And murder. Old salt says: meh, let 'em off. They're honest, after all.

And yep, I ABSOLUTELY think that Maguire should be fired. No question whatsoever. If you're so blind that you can't see that sending a WB complaint about the President to the President's people? What the heck else are you blind about?

.. ...it's not breaking the law if you go to the law enforcement agency & request guidance before you act.

Maguire acted on the advice of the DNI General Counsel who referred the matter to the DoJ & then followed their guidance.

It's a good thing that they did, because the ICWPA (& it's time constraints) did not apply to this WB's complaint, on several grounds.

It's not breaking the law just because you don't understand the law.

Our WB law is stronger than ever. This has been a tutorial for any potential whistleblower.
They've even learned there's a law firm in Langley which pays WB's to come forward.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... inst-trump

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new- ... eyre-fired

I tend to agree with you on the DNI, Salty.
Seems to me that he was not acting in a corrupt or dishonest manner and that he thought he was between a rock and a hard place, or, as he called it, "unprecedented".

The question I'd have asked him was at what point would he have chosen to follow the spirit of the law governing this matter, given the balance of equities at stake.

I just didn't get the sense that he intended to keep this under wraps permanently, thought he could work through the thicket of thorns methodically...and indeed that's what ultimately happened.

Conversely, I quite agree with a fans' take on the ethics involved.

[Farfromgeneva]

I feel the EXACT same way about Maguire as I did before. Your understanding of morality continues to baffle me. Geez.

You're telling me that if an honest man breaks the law, there should be no consequences. Where the heck did this line of thinking come from?

Honest men speed. And murder. Old salt says: meh, let 'em off. They're honest, after all.

And yep, I ABSOLUTELY think that Maguire should be fired. No question whatsoever. If you're so blind that you can't see that sending a WB complaint about the President to the President's people? What the heck else are you blind about?

.. ...it's not breaking the law if you go to the law enforcement agency & request guidance before you act.

Maguire acted on the advice of the DNI General Counsel who referred the matter to the DoJ & then followed their guidance.

It's a good thing that they did, because the ICWPA (& it's time constraints) did not apply to this WB's complaint, on several grounds.

It's not breaking the law just because you don't understand the law.

Our WB law is stronger than ever. This has been a tutorial for any potential whistleblower.
They've even learned there's a law firm in Langley which pays WB's to come forward.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... inst-trump

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new- ... eyre-fired

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.or ... n-the-mind

[cradleandshoot]

this is paraphrasing Joe Bidens words... I looked at them and said I'm leaving in 6 hours your not getting the money if you don't fire him... SON OF A complain THEY FIRED HIM. I understand how some of those fanatical right wing folks would see that as extortion. I understand even more how the misfits here on the FLP side of the discussion are not smart enough to see the itsy bitsy problem with what Joe just said. I don't have a PhD but it seems to me if you demand a foreign government acquiescence to your demands or you will withhold payment to them... how else is that action to be defined? Son of a complain I want to understand this better... Sure sounds like extortion to me. I was even curious enough to look up the definition of extortion just for clarification...

Extortion... The practice of obtaining something especially money, through force or threats. So I break it down so I can understand it better. The VP Biden demands that the Ukranians fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son just happens to represent. The wording goes if you don't do it your not getting the billion dollars. What the hell was I thinking... no appearance of impropriety here... Hell maybe, technically this is more reverse extortion... I get it now...

Except that prosecutor was NOT investigating Burisma when he got fired. He had let that investigation lie dormant for OVER a YEAR by that point. That same prosecutor had also fired all the subordinate prosecutors who were actually doing work that might reduce corruption. To say he was investigating Hunter Biden would be a lie pure and simple.

So any “extortion” essentially was saying to Ukraine fire this guy who is doing nothing and replace him with someone who will help get the corruption problem under control or else lose out support. That is a benefit both for Ukraine and the West, who can then have better trust when dealing with most anything in the country, and essentially nothing of a personal nature.

The same cannot be said for what Trump was doing.

That is one way to spin it. The problem IMO revolves around Joes own words. When you say if you don't fire this guy you don't get the billion dollars... it certainly looks like that could be taken the wrong way. You make a demand to a country with the financial carrot and SOB... the guy gets fired. What a way to run a railroad.

[MDlaxfan76]

this is paraphrasing Joe Bidens words... I looked at them and said I'm leaving in 6 hours your not getting the money if you don't fire him... SON OF A complain THEY FIRED HIM. I understand how some of those fanatical right wing folks would see that as extortion. I understand even more how the misfits here on the FLP side of the discussion are not smart enough to see the itsy bitsy problem with what Joe just said. I don't have a PhD but it seems to me if you demand a foreign government acquiescence to your demands or you will withhold payment to them... how else is that action to be defined? Son of a complain I want to understand this better... Sure sounds like extortion to me. I was even curious enough to look up the definition of extortion just for clarification...

Extortion... The practice of obtaining something especially money, through force or threats. So I break it down so I can understand it better. The VP Biden demands that the Ukranians fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son just happens to represent. The wording goes if you don't do it your not getting the billion dollars. What the hell was I thinking... no appearance of impropriety here... Hell maybe, technically this is more reverse extortion... I get it now...

Except that prosecutor was NOT investigating Burisma when he got fired. He had let that investigation lie dormant for OVER a YEAR by that point. That same prosecutor had also fired all the subordinate prosecutors who were actually doing work that might reduce corruption. To say he was investigating Hunter Biden would be a lie pure and simple.

So any “extortion” essentially was saying to Ukraine fire this guy who is doing nothing and replace him with someone who will help get the corruption problem under control or else lose out support. That is a benefit both for Ukraine and the West, who can then have better trust when dealing with most anything in the country, and essentially nothing of a personal nature.

The same cannot be said for what Trump was doing.

That is one way to spin it. The problem IMO revolves around Joes own words. When you say if you don't fire this guy you don't get the billion dollars... it certainly looks like that could be taken the wrong way. You make a demand to a country with the financial carrot and SOB... the guy gets fired. What a way to run a railroad.

cradle, just want a little clarity.

You do see the difference between a President, VP, SoS, etc:

1) playing hardball with a foreign country to clean up their corruption before giving them a boatload of dough that could be lost...

and

2) Demanding that a foreign leader dig up dirt on an upcoming political opponent and provide a false narrative about the foreign interference of the past election...before releasing a boat load of cash...

Right? You do see the difference??

Biden wasn't asking for relief for his son, nor interference in an election, nor anything else of value to himself rather than the US. That's what all the evidence says.

Trump was definitely asking for help in his election challenge.

That's why the GOP Senators are squirming so hard to avoid the reporters...they know this is really bad...and now they're worried about the next shoes to drop, ala what we just learned about the transcript with Lavrov and that there are more damaging transcripts being hidden.

[ABV 8.3%]

r's can provide research and fact findings here.

As a true INDEPENDENT, just like the majority of US voters, I can provide my own research, thank you very much. Draw conclusions from documents, myself. You, CU88? 3 sides to every story. What to you think of the word for word quote from the fired Ukranian lawyer, investigating Hunters conflict of interest job


Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin testified that when he was fired in March 2016, he was told the reason was that Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation.

2016? Belong in the TAATS thread, perhaps. Same hypocrites when "their" guys do something wrong.

Who was Biden’s political opponent?

So sad.......really.

WHen did Hunter get the FOSSIL FUEL job, get hired. you know, the one that pays him $50,000........ A MONTh.

Only Trump makes money from being an elected official....only him.

[ABV 8.3%]

My plumber from South Georgia told me the Biden’s hate god, tried to overthrow Maduro and have sex slaves. He fixed my toilet so it must be true.

Willing to bet your plumber makes more than most of us..........isn't THAT the people we should listen too? Ones that makes more money than us?

In all seriousness, what part of Hunter Biden getting a sweet paying, no show job, DURING his father's administration. Why didn't it bother you than? why doesn't it bother you KNOW?