JUST the Stolen Documents/Mar-A-Lago/"Judge" Cannon Trial

[a fan]

...and the other source for leaks in Trumpland....

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jeff-flak ... C0GX-8SCPc

[old salt]

Who alerted Schiff ? Probably the WB

FFS, are you just blind, or what?

Dude. There is zero: ZERO chance that someone would go to all this trouble and STILL leak AFTER letting dozens of people know who he is (or close to an exact match). He's days from being outed now. You're out of your mind to think that's even a possibility.

Let me help you. Remember when you said that Trump, in so many words, is a POS and unfit for office?

Great. Now what the firetruck do you think all those people working for him in the White House and the FBI and CIA think about Trump? Dealing with Trump up close, and watching his nonsense on a daily basis? What are the odds that some of them share your low opinion of Trump? Fairly high, right?

Got that picture in your head? Great. Now picture these people knowing that the DNI is burying the WB complaint.

Conclusion: Trump's own staff (using that term loosely to include other Departments) are leaking this stuff. All. The. Time. The resistance is Trump's staff.

Wake up, man. I've been telling you that this is a possibility for years, and now the DNI has confirmed it, at the very least in this instance. And given that fact, it's unlikely this is the first time. He told Barr, the WH Counsel, and the FBI. And all these guys are Trump appointees now. It's Trumpland.

And they hate Trump, too. Or at least, hate some of the things he does. That shouldn't surprise you.

Man. You have no sense of loyalty. They took an oath.
You think Mattis, Kelly, McMaster or now Maguire admire Trump, or enjoy working for him ? But they remain loyal & when they can't take it any longer, they go home. Anyone who served any length of time in the military had superiors they didn't like. They didn't frag them.
It's not personal loyalty. It's loyalty to the chain of command & to the CinC, who was elected by their fellow citizens, i.a.w. the Constitution.

Now that this has gone public, are working conditions in the WH improved for the officials who fed info to the WB ?
You think they're looking over their shoulder now ? You think they welcome working in a WH undergoing an impeachment inquiry ?
This WB created a lot of collateral damage.

The WB had to give his consent for his complaint to be shared with Congress.
The WB could go to Schiff & know he'd be protected from retribution & that his complaint would have his desired effect.

It's not staff that Trump brought into govt who are doing this leaking -- they weren't privy to the call. It's national security careerists who were in govt before Trump arrived & plan on serving after he leaves. There's no way Trump could have purged everyone still on his "staff" who were serving before he arrived. The NSC staff is composed of careerists brought in from other govt agencies.

Nice work NYT :

https://taskandpurpose.com/nyt-whistleblower-identity

A New York Times report published on Thursday outed the anonymous intelligence community whistleblower at the center of a presidential impeachment inquiry as a CIA officer and provided clues to his identity that will likely make it easier for The White House and other observers to identify him.

Three people familiar with the officer's identity told the Times he is a CIA officer who was detailed to work at The White House and has since returned to the CIA. The report added that, based on the newly-released whistleblower complaint, he "was an analyst by training" who was "steeped in details of American foreign policy toward Europe, demonstrating a sophisticated understanding of Ukrainian politics and at least some knowledge of the law."

As the Times notes, CIA officers routinely work in The White House, often working on the National Security Council or managing secure communications with foreign leaders. But this officer didn't work on the communications team, the Times reported.

That level of detail spurred widespread criticism of the Times from lawyers, intelligence professionals, former government officials, journalists, and others.

"Publishing details about the whistleblower will only lead to identification of someone, whether our client or the wrong person, as the whistleblower. This will place this individual in a much more dangerous situation, not only in their professional world but also their possible personal safety," Mark S. Zaid, one of the whistleblower's attorneys, told Task & Purpose in a statement.

Thanks to the Times article, The White House now has a better idea of who to look for: A male CIA officer who was working at the White House, on the NSC, at the time of the July 25 call, likely with Ukraine as part of their portfolio, who has since left.

[a fan]

Man. You have no sense of loyalty. They took an oath.
You think Mattis, Kelly, McMaster or now Maguire admire Trump, or enjoy working for him ? But they remain loyal & when they can't take it any longer, they go home. Anyone who served any length of time in the military had superiors they didn't like. They didn't frag them.
It's not personal loyalty. It's loyalty to the chain of command & to the CinC, who was elected by their fellow citizens, i.a.w. the Constitution.

That's great. I'm just telling you what the DNI told us. FBI, DoJ, WH Counsel. There lies Nixon's rat(s).

And if you're the crew who spoke to the WB, would you dare to leak AFTER the WB came forward? Not a chance. They're in the bunker.

Now that this has gone public, are working conditions in the WH improved for the officials who fed info to the WB ?
You think they're looking over their shoulder now ? You think they welcome working in a WH undergoing an impeachment inquiry ?
This WB created a lot of collateral damage.

FFS, old salt. You're acting like this WB told America what Trump's shoe size is.

You understand that what Trump did is ridiculously wrong, and easily an impeachable offense, right?

Geez. Stop attacking the messenger, and show us that somewhere in there, you know what's right, and what's wrong.

It's not staff that Trump brought into govt who are doing this leaking -- they weren't privy to the call.

Neither was the WB. Logic fail. You have zero evidence to back up your assertion, sorry.

Look at all of Trump's appointees. And do they bring staff's with them when appointed? These are Trump's people. These are the people who got the story from the DNI.

You are falling all over yourself to blame your Deep State, not because of logic-----because it fits in your tin foil hat notions.

[old salt]

Who needs evidence ? We have the NYT. Maggie H has reported that the WB is a career CIA officer, most likely an analyst, specializing in European affairs. He was temporarily assigned to the NSC but returned to the CIA before the time of the ph call which was the subject of his complaint.

Do you think Trump hired him, brought him into the NSC or had any idea who he was.
The WB's report is hearsay, not his personal observations.

Easily impeachable ? Why is Nancy so hesitant to proceed ?

[a fan]

Politics. Keep pretending that you don't get it.

Did you take a look at the form Intel communities letter? You're saying they get it, and you don't?

[a fan]

Who needs evidence ? We have the NYT.

Yep. The free press. You think they are the enemy, and Trump is just a doe eyed victim.

I don't get it. Trump is the captain that you want to sink in the ocean with, eh?

[old salt]

Good for them. They choose not to serve under Trump.

[jhu72]

Who needs evidence ? We have the NYT. Maggie H has reported that the WB is a career CIA officer, most likely an analyst, specializing in European affairs. He was temporarily assigned to the NSC but returned to the CIA before the time of the ph call which was the subject of his complaint.

Do you think Trump hired him, brought him into the NSC or had any idea who he was.
The WB's report is hearsay, not his personal observations.

Easily impeachable ? Why is Nancy so hesitant to proceed ?

In theory it is easy to impeach -- let's see if Orange Duce's boys are up to the task? If they can't, it will take more than their usual baseless innuendo, Trump doesn't have another defense. The usual what about-ism isn't going to work.

[jhu72]

...and the other source for leaks in Trumpland....

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jeff-flak ... C0GX-8SCPc

This is likely true. Now are they gutless cowards, or true Americans? Everything to date says they are gutless cowards with no regard for right and wrong. Not a single one of them is close to a profile in courage.

[jhu72]

Who alerted Schiff ? Probably the WB

FFS, are you just blind, or what?

Dude. There is zero: ZERO chance that someone would go to all this trouble and STILL leak AFTER letting dozens of people know who he is (or close to an exact match). He's days from being outed now. You're out of your mind to think that's even a possibility.

Let me help you. Remember when you said that Trump, in so many words, is a POS and unfit for office?

Great. Now what the firetruck do you think all those people working for him in the White House and the FBI and CIA think about Trump? Dealing with Trump up close, and watching his nonsense on a daily basis? What are the odds that some of them share your low opinion of Trump? Fairly high, right?

Got that picture in your head? Great. Now picture these people knowing that the DNI is burying the WB complaint.

Conclusion: Trump's own staff (using that term loosely to include other Departments) are leaking this stuff. All. The. Time. The resistance is Trump's staff.

Wake up, man. I've been telling you that this is a possibility for years, and now the DNI has confirmed it, at the very least in this instance. And given that fact, it's unlikely this is the first time. He told Barr, the WH Counsel, and the FBI. And all these guys are Trump appointees now. It's Trumpland.

And they hate Trump, too. Or at least, hate some of the things he does. That shouldn't surprise you.

Man. You have no sense of loyalty. They took an oath.
You think Mattis, Kelly, McMaster or now Maguire admire Trump, or enjoy working for him ? But they remain loyal & when they can't take it any longer, they go home. Anyone who served any length of time in the military had superiors they didn't like. They didn't frag them.
It's not personal loyalty. It's loyalty to the chain of command & to the CinC, who was elected by their fellow citizens, i.a.w. the Constitution.

Now that this has gone public, are working conditions in the WH improved for the officials who fed info to the WB ?
You think they're looking over their shoulder now ? You think they welcome working in a WH undergoing an impeachment inquiry ?
This WB created a lot of collateral damage.

The WB had to give his consent for his complaint to be shared with Congress.
The WB could go to Schiff & know he'd be protected from retribution & that his complaint would have his desired effect.

It's not staff that Trump brought into govt who are doing this leaking -- they weren't privy to the call. It's national security careerists who were in govt before Trump arrived & plan on serving after he leaves. There's no way Trump could have purged everyone still on his "staff" who were serving before he arrived. The NSC staff is composed of careerists brought in from other govt agencies.

Nice work NYT :

https://taskandpurpose.com/nyt-whistleblower-identity

A New York Times report published on Thursday outed the anonymous intelligence community whistleblower at the center of a presidential impeachment inquiry as a CIA officer and provided clues to his identity that will likely make it easier for The White House and other observers to identify him.

Three people familiar with the officer's identity told the Times he is a CIA officer who was detailed to work at The White House and has since returned to the CIA. The report added that, based on the newly-released whistleblower complaint, he "was an analyst by training" who was "steeped in details of American foreign policy toward Europe, demonstrating a sophisticated understanding of Ukrainian politics and at least some knowledge of the law."

As the Times notes, CIA officers routinely work in The White House, often working on the National Security Council or managing secure communications with foreign leaders. But this officer didn't work on the communications team, the Times reported.

That level of detail spurred widespread criticism of the Times from lawyers, intelligence professionals, former government officials, journalists, and others.

"Publishing details about the whistleblower will only lead to identification of someone, whether our client or the wrong person, as the whistleblower. This will place this individual in a much more dangerous situation, not only in their professional world but also their possible personal safety," Mark S. Zaid, one of the whistleblower's attorneys, told Task & Purpose in a statement.

Thanks to the Times article, The White House now has a better idea of who to look for: A male CIA officer who was working at the White House, on the NSC, at the time of the July 25 call, likely with Ukraine as part of their portfolio, who has since left.

Kelly - a resounding yes! Trump is his kind of guy.

[old salt]

Who needs evidence ? We have the NYT.

Yep. The free press. You think they are the enemy, and Trump is just a doe eyed victim.

I don't get it. Trump is the captain that you want to sink in the ocean with, eh?

What Trump did was stupid & unethical. He's fighting back the only way he knows how. He's under attack, from inside & outside the govt, by people whose profession it is to undermine govts they oppose, to bring about regime change -- ironically, like they've done in Ukraine, ...3 times now.

We're seeing what Schumer meant when he said the IC has 6 ways from Sunday to screw you.

It's up to the (D)'s & their MSM proxies to convince the voters who send 20 (R) Senators to DC that what Trump did warrants ending his Presidency before the next election. Trump's trying to reveal what the IC has been doing to undermine him since he became a candidate.
We're seeing a battle of competing narratives. Trump vs the Deep State, each using their own media allies.

You scoff at the notion of a Deep State, but you're seeing it in action. Trump is a threat to their grip on power & they're trying to take him out, & they may succeed. I warned you that the war within the IC would intensify when Trump began breaking their rice bowls. Dr Farkas is back on MSNBC doing play by play. The Deep State is starting on their entree.

[Trinity]

Giuliani says if someone kills him.....we won’t get the rest of the story.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Who needs evidence ? We have the NYT.

Yep. The free press. You think they are the enemy, and Trump is just a doe eyed victim.

I don't get it. Trump is the captain that you want to sink in the ocean with, eh?

What Trump did was stupid & unethical. He's fighting back the only way he knows how. He's under attack, from inside & outside the govt, by people whose profession it is to undermine govts they oppose, to bring about regime change -- ironically, like they've done in Ukraine, ...3 times now.

We're seeing what Schumer meant when he said the IC has 6 ways from Sunday to screw you.

It's up to the (D)'s & their MSM proxies to convince the voters who send 20 (R) Senators to DC that what Trump did warrants ending his Presidency before the next election. Trump's trying to reveal what the IC has been doing to undermine him since he became a candidate.
We're seeing a battle of competing narratives. Trump vs the Deep State, each using their own media allies.

You scoff at the notion of a Deep State, but you're seeing it in action. Trump is a threat to their grip on power & they're trying to take him out, & they may succeed. I warned you that the war within the IC would intensify when Trump began breaking their rice bowls. Dr Farkas is back on MSNBC doing play by play. The Deep State is starting on their entree.

Sad....BTW, I have never seen you mention Republican media proxies.

[old salt]

Who needs evidence ? We have the NYT.

Yep. The free press. You think they are the enemy, and Trump is just a doe eyed victim.

I don't get it. Trump is the captain that you want to sink in the ocean with, eh?

What Trump did was stupid & unethical. He's fighting back the only way he knows how. He's under attack, from inside & outside the govt, by people whose profession it is to undermine govts they oppose, to bring about regime change -- ironically, like they've done in Ukraine, ...3 times now.

We're seeing what Schumer meant when he said the IC has 6 ways from Sunday to screw you.

It's up to the (D)'s & their MSM proxies to convince the voters who send 20 (R) Senators to DC that what Trump did warrants ending his Presidency before the next election. Trump's trying to reveal what the IC has been doing to undermine him since he became a candidate.
We're seeing a battle of competing narratives. Trump vs the Deep State, each using their own media allies.

You scoff at the notion of a Deep State, but you're seeing it in action. Trump is a threat to their grip on power & they're trying to take him out, & they may succeed. I warned you that the war within the IC would intensify when Trump began breaking their rice bowls. Dr Farkas is back on MSNBC doing play by play. The Deep State is starting on their entree.

Sad....BTW, I have never seen you mention Republican media proxies.

Because they're so few. I link to the Wash Examiner & NR all the time.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Who needs evidence ? We have the NYT.

Yep. The free press. You think they are the enemy, and Trump is just a doe eyed victim.

I don't get it. Trump is the captain that you want to sink in the ocean with, eh?

What Trump did was stupid & unethical. He's fighting back the only way he knows how. He's under attack, from inside & outside the govt, by people whose profession it is to undermine govts they oppose, to bring about regime change -- ironically, like they've done in Ukraine, ...3 times now.

We're seeing what Schumer meant when he said the IC has 6 ways from Sunday to screw you.

It's up to the (D)'s & their MSM proxies to convince the voters who send 20 (R) Senators to DC that what Trump did warrants ending his Presidency before the next election. Trump's trying to reveal what the IC has been doing to undermine him since he became a candidate.
We're seeing a battle of competing narratives. Trump vs the Deep State, each using their own media allies.

You scoff at the notion of a Deep State, but you're seeing it in action. Trump is a threat to their grip on power & they're trying to take him out, & they may succeed. I warned you that the war within the IC would intensify when Trump began breaking their rice bowls. Dr Farkas is back on MSNBC doing play by play. The Deep State is starting on their entree.

Sad....BTW, I have never seen you mention Republican media proxies.

Because they're so few. I link to the Wash Examiner & NR all the time.

You called them proxies?

[jhu72]

Giuliani says if someone kills him.....we won’t get the rest of the story.

What a smacked ass. I could live with it. No tears.

[old salt]

Who needs evidence ? We have the NYT.

Yep. The free press. You think they are the enemy, and Trump is just a doe eyed victim.

I don't get it. Trump is the captain that you want to sink in the ocean with, eh?

What Trump did was stupid & unethical. He's fighting back the only way he knows how. He's under attack, from inside & outside the govt, by people whose profession it is to undermine govts they oppose, to bring about regime change -- ironically, like they've done in Ukraine, ...3 times now.

We're seeing what Schumer meant when he said the IC has 6 ways from Sunday to screw you.

It's up to the (D)'s & their MSM proxies to convince the voters who send 20 (R) Senators to DC that what Trump did warrants ending his Presidency before the next election. Trump's trying to reveal what the IC has been doing to undermine him since he became a candidate.
We're seeing a battle of competing narratives. Trump vs the Deep State, each using their own media allies.

You scoff at the notion of a Deep State, but you're seeing it in action. Trump is a threat to their grip on power & they're trying to take him out, & they may succeed. I warned you that the war within the IC would intensify when Trump began breaking their rice bowls. Dr Farkas is back on MSNBC doing play by play. The Deep State is starting on their entree.

Sad....BTW, I have never seen you mention Republican media proxies.

Because they're so few. I link to the Wash Examiner & NR all the time.

You called them proxies?

Here ya go. Ask & you shall receive :
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/ ... n-ukraine/

[Typical Lax Dad]

Who needs evidence ? We have the NYT.

Yep. The free press. You think they are the enemy, and Trump is just a doe eyed victim.

I don't get it. Trump is the captain that you want to sink in the ocean with, eh?

What Trump did was stupid & unethical. He's fighting back the only way he knows how. He's under attack, from inside & outside the govt, by people whose profession it is to undermine govts they oppose, to bring about regime change -- ironically, like they've done in Ukraine, ...3 times now.

We're seeing what Schumer meant when he said the IC has 6 ways from Sunday to screw you.

It's up to the (D)'s & their MSM proxies to convince the voters who send 20 (R) Senators to DC that what Trump did warrants ending his Presidency before the next election. Trump's trying to reveal what the IC has been doing to undermine him since he became a candidate.
We're seeing a battle of competing narratives. Trump vs the Deep State, each using their own media allies.

You scoff at the notion of a Deep State, but you're seeing it in action. Trump is a threat to their grip on power & they're trying to take him out, & they may succeed. I warned you that the war within the IC would intensify when Trump began breaking their rice bowls. Dr Farkas is back on MSNBC doing play by play. The Deep State is starting on their entree.

Sad....BTW, I have never seen you mention Republican media proxies.

Because they're so few. I link to the Wash Examiner & NR all the time.

You called them proxies?

Here ya go. Ask & you shall receive :
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/ ... n-ukraine/

Did you also avoid a direct order like you do direct questions?

[Typical Lax Dad]

[old salt]

Who needs evidence ? We have the NYT.

Yep. The free press. You think they are the enemy, and Trump is just a doe eyed victim.

I don't get it. Trump is the captain that you want to sink in the ocean with, eh?

What Trump did was stupid & unethical. He's fighting back the only way he knows how. He's under attack, from inside & outside the govt, by people whose profession it is to undermine govts they oppose, to bring about regime change -- ironically, like they've done in Ukraine, ...3 times now.

We're seeing what Schumer meant when he said the IC has 6 ways from Sunday to screw you.

It's up to the (D)'s & their MSM proxies to convince the voters who send 20 (R) Senators to DC that what Trump did warrants ending his Presidency before the next election. Trump's trying to reveal what the IC has been doing to undermine him since he became a candidate.
We're seeing a battle of competing narratives. Trump vs the Deep State, each using their own media allies.

You scoff at the notion of a Deep State, but you're seeing it in action. Trump is a threat to their grip on power & they're trying to take him out, & they may succeed. I warned you that the war within the IC would intensify when Trump began breaking their rice bowls. Dr Farkas is back on MSNBC doing play by play. The Deep State is starting on their entree.

Sad....BTW, I have never seen you mention Republican media proxies.

Because they're so few. I link to the Wash Examiner & NR all the time.

You called them proxies?

Here ya go. Ask & you shall receive :
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/ ... n-ukraine/

Did you also avoid a direct order like you do direct questions?

Where in the above is your direct question ?