old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:20 pm
Have you considered that Putin would stop meddling in our elections if we had a working relationship with him
We offered a working relationship with him. He responded by invading a country that he doesn't own.
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:20 pm
stopped undermining him domestically with our propaganda
What have we done to him domestically?
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:20 pm
dropped our sanctions
So tell the world it's ok to invade Ukraine, and communicate to Putin that we're even softer than the EU? Fine by me, but you know my views on such things. We don't have a treaty with Ukraine, so it's not our problem. It's the UN's problem.
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:20 pm
negotiated settlements on Ukraine,
That's easy. Ukraine is its own nation. It can do as it wishes. Old Salt, for reasons I don't get, thinks that Russia "owns" the Ukraine, and "therefore", it's ok to invade it.
You're essentially telling us that Putin's behavior...including the invasion of Ukraine... is America's fault, and we need to make it right. I don't get that. Soviet Union is gone.
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:20 pm
Our EU/NATO allies get it. Look how stubbornly they cling to Nordstream 2, slow walk Magnitsky sanctions & limit military aid to Ukraine.
...even though Putin poisons his defecting spies on EU soil, meddles in the Brexit debate & supports their RW parties.
Yes. Appeasement. Pretty weird thing to be championing, considering your view on Iran.
Either Ukraine is sovereign, or it's not. You and the EU seem to be saying is: not. Let Putin do as he wishes.
I don't have a problem with that, but it doesn't fit very well into our current foreign policy, particularly now that Trump sent Troops to Saudi Arabia.