The Nation's Financial Condition

[CU88]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

r' financial plan is hate...

[Trinity]

CNBC. BREAKING: China confirms it is suspending agricultural product purchases from the U.S. in response to Trump’s new tariffs, could hit ag imports with tariffs

“We may well be at the most dangerous financial moment since the 2009 Financial Crisis with current developments between the US and China.” Lawrence Summers

So much winning.

[a fan]

Who cares? We're not farmers, right fellas? So it's just a game.

Oh, any day now, China'll cave, right boys?

BTW, serious question for TLD and other finance wonks: how is it what China does is currency manipulation, but America's QE's aren't?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Who cares? We're not farmers, right fellas? So it's just a game.

Oh, any day now, China'll cave, right boys?

BTW, serious question for TLD and other finance wonks: how is it what China does is currency manipulation, but America's QE's aren't?

Similar.

[old salt]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

Now's the time to crank up the news on China's fentanyl production,
& launch a buy anything but made in China PR campaign.

Right. And stop selling the markets!...we're playing right into their filthy commie hands. Wouldn't the trade war on China be a great place to start unifying the country?

So now that you two realize that the Chinese aren't budging (gee, who could have seen that coming?), your new plan is to crank up the American propaganda machine....take all the hate that is bouncing around in the Trump era, and direct it toward China?

Start a real Cold War with China, and once again, do it without one single US ally in tow? That's your advice?

No -- it's to trade with the rest of the world, bring manufacturing back to the USA, & learn to live without China's cheap junk until they start playing by 1st world, developed nation rules. We've got too much unnecessary stuff anyway. China's never gonna come around if we just continue going along to get along. They need us as a market more than we need their stolen junk knock offs.

Let's focus a little of our Russophobia on the real threat to their south.
The rest of E Asia is looking for an ally to stand with against China.

[a fan]

No -- it's to trade with the rest of the world, bring manufacturing back to the USA, & learn to live without China's cheap junk until they start playing by 1st world, developed nation rules. We've got too much unnecessary stuff anyway.

Just like the Unionists and the Libs have been telling you for 50 years. You should have been voting Dem all this time...you could have kept Clinton and the sell-out Dems out of office.

China's never gonna come around if we just continue going along to get along. They need us as a market more than we need their stolen junk knock offs.

No. No, they don't. China has plenty of other countries to trade with....they'll move to other markets just as we will. We better hope this doesn't push them closer to Putin.

Remember, no one in the EU or elsewhere are fighting a trade war with China. So Trump left China all kinds of trading options, instead of getting a coalition together first.

Let's focus a little of our Russophobia on the real threat to their south.

We've lived in peace with China for hundreds of years. They're not our enemy unless we CHOOSE to make them our enemy. We're within a hair of making them our enemy. Don't pretend that you don't see that.

The rest of E Asia is looking for an ally to stand with against China.

If that was remotely true, Trump should have gone to them first, don't you think?

The least they could do is buy our agricultural products to keep more American farmers from offing themselves.

[tech37]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

Now's the time to crank up the news on China's fentanyl production,
& launch a buy anything but made in China PR campaign.

Right. And stop selling the markets!...we're playing right into their filthy commie hands. Wouldn't the trade war on China be a great place to start unifying the country?

So now that you two realize that the Chinese aren't budging (gee, who could have seen that coming?), your new plan is to crank up the American propaganda machine....take all the hate that is bouncing around in the Trump era, and direct it toward China?

Start a real Cold War with China, and once again, do it without one single US ally in tow? That's your advice?

So basically what a fan is saying is, the theft of our IP and innovations is okie dokie by him, or dead Americans due to Chinese fentanyl flooding our shores is just swell. Just look the other way cause we can't rock the status quo trade boat!...despite China's despicable acts. Not to mention their expanding military exploits. I want to puke...

Some of us see this as a war worth fighting, not only because it's the right thing to do, but for the future wellness of ours and the world economy in the name of national security.

Hate to tell you this Mr. Instant Gratification, but this isn't over yet, even though you conceded the day it started

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/ ... -one-looks

[SCLaxAttack]

China has plenty of other countries to trade with....they'll move to other markets just as we will. We better hope this doesn't push them closer to Putin.

Help me with this one aF. For months (maybe even years) you’ve been telling us Russia is a mere shell of its former self with so many financial problems we should care less about what they’re doing in Eastern Europe. Now are you saying they’ve got so many free rubles they’re going to make up for the trade China will lose with the US? What am I missing?

[CU88]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

Now's the time to crank up the news on China's fentanyl production,
& launch a buy anything but made in China PR campaign.

Right. And stop selling the markets!...we're playing right into their filthy commie hands. Wouldn't the trade war on China be a great place to start unifying the country?

So now that you two realize that the Chinese aren't budging (gee, who could have seen that coming?), your new plan is to crank up the American propaganda machine....take all the hate that is bouncing around in the Trump era, and direct it toward China?

Start a real Cold War with China, and once again, do it without one single US ally in tow? That's your advice?

So basically what a fan is saying is, the theft of our IP and innovations is okie dokie by him, or dead Americans due to Chinese fentanyl flooding our shores is just swell. Just look the other way cause we can't rock the status quo trade boat!...despite China's despicable acts. Not to mention their expanding military exploits. I want to puke...

Some of us see this as a war worth fighting, not only because it's the right thing to do, but for the future wellness of ours and the world economy in the name of national security.

Hate to tell you this Mr. Instant Gratification, but this isn't over yet, even though you conceded the day it started

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/ ... -one-looks

You totally miss the point being made; or completely agree that the current approach, USA acting alone with tariff's, entering into a Trade War with China is the best and only option.

The China situation is serious, but the current administrations approach is completely WRONG!

[tech37]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

Now's the time to crank up the news on China's fentanyl production,
& launch a buy anything but made in China PR campaign.

Right. And stop selling the markets!...we're playing right into their filthy commie hands. Wouldn't the trade war on China be a great place to start unifying the country?

So now that you two realize that the Chinese aren't budging (gee, who could have seen that coming?), your new plan is to crank up the American propaganda machine....take all the hate that is bouncing around in the Trump era, and direct it toward China?

Start a real Cold War with China, and once again, do it without one single US ally in tow? That's your advice?

So basically what a fan is saying is, the theft of our IP and innovations is okie dokie by him, or dead Americans due to Chinese fentanyl flooding our shores is just swell. Just look the other way cause we can't rock the status quo trade boat!...despite China's despicable acts. Not to mention their expanding military exploits. I want to puke...

Some of us see this as a war worth fighting, not only because it's the right thing to do, but for the future wellness of ours and the world economy in the name of national security.

Hate to tell you this Mr. Instant Gratification, but this isn't over yet, even though you conceded the day it started

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/ ... -one-looks

You totally miss the point being made; or completely agree that the current approach, USA acting alone with tariff's, entering into a Trade War with China is the best and only option.

The China situation is serious, but the current administrations approach is completely WRONG!

Completely wrong? Surely it's not perfect but completely wrong?

So tell us what the proper approach should be then, OK? Tell us what should be done now, that should have been started many years ago, long before Trump...go ahead

[Trinity]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/brazil-j ... lp00000618

Brazil subsidiary collects 62 million in Trump’s tariff aid. Brilliant

[MDlaxfan76]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

Now's the time to crank up the news on China's fentanyl production,
& launch a buy anything but made in China PR campaign.

Right. And stop selling the markets!...we're playing right into their filthy commie hands. Wouldn't the trade war on China be a great place to start unifying the country?

So now that you two realize that the Chinese aren't budging (gee, who could have seen that coming?), your new plan is to crank up the American propaganda machine....take all the hate that is bouncing around in the Trump era, and direct it toward China?

Start a real Cold War with China, and once again, do it without one single US ally in tow? That's your advice?

So basically what a fan is saying is, the theft of our IP and innovations is okie dokie by him, or dead Americans due to Chinese fentanyl flooding our shores is just swell. Just look the other way cause we can't rock the status quo trade boat!...despite China's despicable acts. Not to mention their expanding military exploits. I want to puke...

Some of us see this as a war worth fighting, not only because it's the right thing to do, but for the future wellness of ours and the world economy in the name of national security.

Hate to tell you this Mr. Instant Gratification, but this isn't over yet, even though you conceded the day it started

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/ ... -one-looks

Ok, so you're now fully out of the closet, all in for 'war'.
So, next question, all-out existential war?

[tech37]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

Now's the time to crank up the news on China's fentanyl production,
& launch a buy anything but made in China PR campaign.

Right. And stop selling the markets!...we're playing right into their filthy commie hands. Wouldn't the trade war on China be a great place to start unifying the country?

So now that you two realize that the Chinese aren't budging (gee, who could have seen that coming?), your new plan is to crank up the American propaganda machine....take all the hate that is bouncing around in the Trump era, and direct it toward China?

Start a real Cold War with China, and once again, do it without one single US ally in tow? That's your advice?

So basically what a fan is saying is, the theft of our IP and innovations is okie dokie by him, or dead Americans due to Chinese fentanyl flooding our shores is just swell. Just look the other way cause we can't rock the status quo trade boat!...despite China's despicable acts. Not to mention their expanding military exploits. I want to puke...

Some of us see this as a war worth fighting, not only because it's the right thing to do, but for the future wellness of ours and the world economy in the name of national security.

Hate to tell you this Mr. Instant Gratification, but this isn't over yet, even though you conceded the day it started

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/ ... -one-looks

Ok, so you're now fully out of the closet, all in for 'war'.
So, next question, all-out existential war?

Oh please...we're talking "trade war"

Any war with China will not exceed economics.

[MDlaxfan76]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

Now's the time to crank up the news on China's fentanyl production,
& launch a buy anything but made in China PR campaign.

Right. And stop selling the markets!...we're playing right into their filthy commie hands. Wouldn't the trade war on China be a great place to start unifying the country?

So now that you two realize that the Chinese aren't budging (gee, who could have seen that coming?), your new plan is to crank up the American propaganda machine....take all the hate that is bouncing around in the Trump era, and direct it toward China?

Start a real Cold War with China, and once again, do it without one single US ally in tow? That's your advice?

So basically what a fan is saying is, the theft of our IP and innovations is okie dokie by him, or dead Americans due to Chinese fentanyl flooding our shores is just swell. Just look the other way cause we can't rock the status quo trade boat!...despite China's despicable acts. Not to mention their expanding military exploits. I want to puke...

Some of us see this as a war worth fighting, not only because it's the right thing to do, but for the future wellness of ours and the world economy in the name of national security.

Hate to tell you this Mr. Instant Gratification, but this isn't over yet, even though you conceded the day it started

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/ ... -one-looks

You totally miss the point being made; or completely agree that the current approach, USA acting alone with tariff's, entering into a Trade War with China is the best and only option.

The China situation is serious, but the current administrations approach is completely WRONG!

Completely wrong? Surely it's not perfect but completely wrong?

So tell us what the proper approach should be then, OK? Tell us what should be done now, that should have been started many years ago, long before Trump...go ahead

The only part that isn't WRONG is the identification of China's practices as requiring necessary reform. The Chinese have moved dramatically over the past 3 decades in reforming their practices, but not far enough. That's true.

But how we engage with them, how we 'persuade' them to reform further, carrots and sticks, has been grossly mismanaged by this Administration. If we want to pressure them (sticks) we need to have cohesive economic alliances and trading partners acting in concert to place such pressures on China. But in Trump's constant focus on rejecting anything and everything his predecessors worked for, his ego needs to prove he's the 'big man in the room', his fawning over dictators, he's destroyed those alliances, undermined the world's confidence in the US' word and integrity in international relations.

Unfortunate, but true.
So, "America First" means "America Alone".
Chickens coming home to roost.

[tech37]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

Now's the time to crank up the news on China's fentanyl production,
& launch a buy anything but made in China PR campaign.

Right. And stop selling the markets!...we're playing right into their filthy commie hands. Wouldn't the trade war on China be a great place to start unifying the country?

So now that you two realize that the Chinese aren't budging (gee, who could have seen that coming?), your new plan is to crank up the American propaganda machine....take all the hate that is bouncing around in the Trump era, and direct it toward China?

Start a real Cold War with China, and once again, do it without one single US ally in tow? That's your advice?

So basically what a fan is saying is, the theft of our IP and innovations is okie dokie by him, or dead Americans due to Chinese fentanyl flooding our shores is just swell. Just look the other way cause we can't rock the status quo trade boat!...despite China's despicable acts. Not to mention their expanding military exploits. I want to puke...

Some of us see this as a war worth fighting, not only because it's the right thing to do, but for the future wellness of ours and the world economy in the name of national security.

Hate to tell you this Mr. Instant Gratification, but this isn't over yet, even though you conceded the day it started

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/ ... -one-looks

You totally miss the point being made; or completely agree that the current approach, USA acting alone with tariff's, entering into a Trade War with China is the best and only option.

The China situation is serious, but the current administrations approach is completely WRONG!

Completely wrong? Surely it's not perfect but completely wrong?

So tell us what the proper approach should be then, OK? Tell us what should be done now, that should have been started many years ago, long before Trump...go ahead

The only part that isn't WRONG is the identification of China's practices as requiring necessary reform. The Chinese have moved dramatically over the past 3 decades in reforming their practices, but not far enough. That's true.

But how we engage with them, how we 'persuade' them to reform further, carrots and sticks, has been grossly mismanaged by this Administration. If we want to pressure them (sticks) we need to have cohesive economic alliances and trading partners acting in concert to place such pressures on China. But in Trump's constant focus on rejecting anything and everything his predecessors worked for, his ego needs to prove he's the 'big man in the room', his fawning over dictators, he's destroyed those alliances, undermined the world's confidence in the US' word and integrity in international relations.

Unfortunate, but true.
So, "America First" means "America Alone".
Chickens coming home to roost.

Couldn't wait for our liberal friend from CA to answer could you?

[MDlaxfan76]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

Now's the time to crank up the news on China's fentanyl production,
& launch a buy anything but made in China PR campaign.

Right. And stop selling the markets!...we're playing right into their filthy commie hands. Wouldn't the trade war on China be a great place to start unifying the country?

So now that you two realize that the Chinese aren't budging (gee, who could have seen that coming?), your new plan is to crank up the American propaganda machine....take all the hate that is bouncing around in the Trump era, and direct it toward China?

Start a real Cold War with China, and once again, do it without one single US ally in tow? That's your advice?

So basically what a fan is saying is, the theft of our IP and innovations is okie dokie by him, or dead Americans due to Chinese fentanyl flooding our shores is just swell. Just look the other way cause we can't rock the status quo trade boat!...despite China's despicable acts. Not to mention their expanding military exploits. I want to puke...

Some of us see this as a war worth fighting, not only because it's the right thing to do, but for the future wellness of ours and the world economy in the name of national security.

Hate to tell you this Mr. Instant Gratification, but this isn't over yet, even though you conceded the day it started

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/ ... -one-looks

Ok, so you're now fully out of the closet, all in for 'war'.
So, next question, all-out existential war?

Oh please...we're talking "trade war"

Any war with China will not exceed economics.

Really? You're sure of that?
How did the trade embargo of Japan work out?

But ok, you draw the line at economics. Me too.
I just don't think we need a 'war', trade or otherwise, and if we do have one it's really, really stupid to have destroyed our international alliances and trust.
"America Alone".

[MDlaxfan76]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

Now's the time to crank up the news on China's fentanyl production,
& launch a buy anything but made in China PR campaign.

Right. And stop selling the markets!...we're playing right into their filthy commie hands. Wouldn't the trade war on China be a great place to start unifying the country?

So now that you two realize that the Chinese aren't budging (gee, who could have seen that coming?), your new plan is to crank up the American propaganda machine....take all the hate that is bouncing around in the Trump era, and direct it toward China?

Start a real Cold War with China, and once again, do it without one single US ally in tow? That's your advice?

So basically what a fan is saying is, the theft of our IP and innovations is okie dokie by him, or dead Americans due to Chinese fentanyl flooding our shores is just swell. Just look the other way cause we can't rock the status quo trade boat!...despite China's despicable acts. Not to mention their expanding military exploits. I want to puke...

Some of us see this as a war worth fighting, not only because it's the right thing to do, but for the future wellness of ours and the world economy in the name of national security.

Hate to tell you this Mr. Instant Gratification, but this isn't over yet, even though you conceded the day it started

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/ ... -one-looks

You totally miss the point being made; or completely agree that the current approach, USA acting alone with tariff's, entering into a Trade War with China is the best and only option.

The China situation is serious, but the current administrations approach is completely WRONG!

Completely wrong? Surely it's not perfect but completely wrong?

So tell us what the proper approach should be then, OK? Tell us what should be done now, that should have been started many years ago, long before Trump...go ahead

The only part that isn't WRONG is the identification of China's practices as requiring necessary reform. The Chinese have moved dramatically over the past 3 decades in reforming their practices, but not far enough. That's true.

But how we engage with them, how we 'persuade' them to reform further, carrots and sticks, has been grossly mismanaged by this Administration. If we want to pressure them (sticks) we need to have cohesive economic alliances and trading partners acting in concert to place such pressures on China. But in Trump's constant focus on rejecting anything and everything his predecessors worked for, his ego needs to prove he's the 'big man in the room', his fawning over dictators, he's destroyed those alliances, undermined the world's confidence in the US' word and integrity in international relations.

Unfortunate, but true.
So, "America First" means "America Alone".
Chickens coming home to roost.

Couldn't wait for our liberal friend from CA to answer could you?

He's free to express his opinion.
I just tuned in and expressed mine.

However, CU88's view was already quite well expressed.
I merely expanded on the details, as you seemed to be not understanding what he'd already said.

[runrussellrun]

USA, the land of goldfish memories.

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/11/worl ... china.html

Remember the Chinese nationals donating money to Bill Clinton, Jeff epsteins party pal? Something about Cox investigation? No, no, get your minds out of the gutter COX, sick bastards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... ontroversy

Reagan- Iran collusion.

BUSH' family- Saudi Collusion

Clintons-Saudi and CHINA collusion

Obama- China and Saudi Collusion

trump- ???? RUssia

Funny, every time I am in Boston and driving by the old state house..........wanna tear down the lion and unicorn. Brits still rule the world.

[a fan]

Help me with this one aF. For months (maybe even years) you’ve been telling us Russia is a mere shell of its former self with so many financial problems we should care less about what they’re doing in Eastern Europe. Now are you saying they’ve got so many free rubles they’re going to make up for the trade China will lose with the US? What am I missing?

You're missing by claiming I wrote that Russia would make up the trade lost with US. That's not what I wrote. Look again.

You are all forgetting about militaries, and focusing on trade only, as if one has nothing to with the other. I haven't a clue as to why. How much more difficult would our lives get if Putin and China got more comfortable with one another because China is looking for new places to sell its goods?

[ABV 8.3%]

There is significant anti-China sentiment in Congress & the public.

Now's the time to crank up the news on China's fentanyl production,
& launch a buy anything but made in China PR campaign.

Right. And stop selling the markets!...we're playing right into their filthy commie hands. Wouldn't the trade war on China be a great place to start unifying the country?

So now that you two realize that the Chinese aren't budging (gee, who could have seen that coming?), your new plan is to crank up the American propaganda machine....take all the hate that is bouncing around in the Trump era, and direct it toward China?

Start a real Cold War with China, and once again, do it without one single US ally in tow? That's your advice?

So basically what a fan is saying is, the theft of our IP and innovations is okie dokie by him, or dead Americans due to Chinese fentanyl flooding our shores is just swell. Just look the other way cause we can't rock the status quo trade boat!...despite China's despicable acts. Not to mention their expanding military exploits. I want to puke...

Some of us see this as a war worth fighting, not only because it's the right thing to do, but for the future wellness of ours and the world economy in the name of national security.

Hate to tell you this Mr. Instant Gratification, but this isn't over yet, even though you conceded the day it started

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/ ... -one-looks

So glad Apple decided to ship even more jobs to employ suicidal slave children. I am such an arsehole, I always ask the pretends. "...do you think the child that put your iphone together is still alive, or has saved enough to buy a Euro-rail-pass and travel thru eastern europe? If they are even allowed to leave China? "

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