Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:16 pm
Agreed that it’s very very far from a free market and I never said anything in said post about free markets. What I said which is a fact is that by almost every measure of well being that we are far ahead of these countries being held as superior models that we in this country have collectively agreed to strive for. We have not in any of these forums agreed that we care about those countries in entirety, taking one piece and trying to shoehorn it in doesn’t work. I was responding to the idea that because we aren’t falling in line with models in worse off countries, many of whom we’ve whipped, ignored and stood high above and that is somehow a product of labeling by one political party.
We don't have to use their models. What I'm pointing to are outcomes. If fully free markets got us a better outcome, I'd be the first to applaud.
But I'd imagine you'd agree, I want to strive to be the best country in the world and, I want to destroy the other countries in the quest for the best economy in the world, and see that success spread to all Americans, not just those of us at the top. A middle ground between socialism and capitalism.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:16 pm
Go look at the UE rate under 30 in European countries. Certainly median income (not mean or average). Same wig most other data points and setting Canada aside, we’re actually far more tolerant,less racists and have more open borders than almost all of Europe. Free speech, more liberties. We are still by far the “cleanest dirty shirt in the laundry”. Why the hell would we care about modeling ourselves after inferior countries? They’re all dynamic systems. The notion we could lift one piece and drop it into ours and have similar results is specious at best.
I agree. Again, I'm talking about outcomes. Another way to phrase my point is that I find the very notion that the other countries I listed can provide health care to all citizens, and America can't... offensive.
Buffalo bagels to that. We can absolutely do it, and do it better than the rest. I find it frustrating that millions of Americans have lost the "can do", "America is exceptional" attitude when we need it most.
Both America's GDP and marketplace are the envy of the world. It's like we're at the Final table, and are unwilling to use the fact that we are sitting with ten times the chips than the next guy, and are unwilling to shove our chips in to stick it to other countries (competitively speaking).
We should be pushing the chip advantage the Greatest Generation gave us. We're not doing that....and so, as a nation, we're losing chips from the rake hand after hand.....
oddly enough it seems like a lot of these Democrats were totally unaware of what a reprobate that Trump was/is.
We were actually told the US government was better run country - swear on a stack of bibles, I rolled out of the bar stool a few times and it was not from too many drinks 