Ok, so yes, you're including fascism because the Nazis included the word. I've never heard them described as anything but 'right wing', but I truly don't care about left or right when it comes to authoritarians. Came to power through populism. Envy and hate and nationalism driving the appeal. The Nazis gained control without majority approval, burnt down the legislature...HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:35 pmI don't think you understand what authoritarian means??...? Once someone at the Fed level has achieved authoritarian control of the government, there won't be elections - certainly not fair ones.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:41 pmboy, that's too logical.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:26 pmThe ballot box. Same as we do for the local government.HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:21 pm My observation is that in the US we tend to be more comfortable with socialist enterprises that are locally administered. I think that is part of the idiot-savant nature of your average US citizen. Joe Sixpack tends to intuitively understand that power like that is more easily controlled when it is localized. In the US we have the best of both worlds, because when locally administered socialist enterprises go astray (think public schools in the 60's) the local citizens can go to the feds for protection (BrownvBoard of Education).
When the Federal Government has that power - who do we go to when it is abused?
Actually, I understand quite well what 'authoritarian' means. Yes, "unfair" or flat out 'bogus' elections are a typical ploy to ensure continuation of control.
Ruling by fiat, not the rule of law. No real check by legislatures or courts; when they attempt to do so, jail the critics. Lock her up.
Demonization of the Other. Send her home.
When the black community wanted open access to schools - why didn't they just vote the suckers out at the "local" ballot box?.... I will wait..... the answer is they couldn't because they were either outnumbered or there weren't fair elections. SO, they had to go to the Feds.
Not sure of your point. They went "to the Feds" to appeal to the Constitution, and when states ignored the ruling of the Supreme Court and brought police and dogs to suppress protest, they appealed to federal enforcement. Thank goodness there was a Constitution and Supreme Court that responded, a federal government that answered the call. Imagine a federal gov't who sent the dogs too. A demagogue in the mold of Wallace in the Oval Office.
so, you call these right wing? Then let me get this straight - if the military takes over it is somehow by definition "right wing" in your mind? The Nazi's (I assume those are the fascists to whom you refer) were socialists. Many (though not all) of the Asian and South American dictatorships were put in place under the name of some form of socialist or communist type of guiding principal.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:53 pm But quick question: what do you mean by "modern age" and "successful"?
Are you including fascism?
Are you including right wing dictatorships in South America, Asia, Africa, ME?
Modern age is 20th century. I purposely put successful in quotes. But what I meant by that was that someone actually took and held power for multiple decades. Or, in what appears to be the best barometer of success for a "socialist" government - their success in murdering a significant percentage of their own citizens in their rises to power.....
Likewise, most any military junta has been "anti-socialist or anti-communist", has self defined as "right-wing". But, hey, it really doesn't matter.
We're not there yet. But unless we reject these tendencies strongly, they really do have appeal to many.
I can't help but think that the Greenville Groupies as well VSG's 40%'ers long for the days of Timothy McVeigh, Coast Guard Lt.Christopher Hasson, the Charlottesville Christian Marching Society, Joseph Mengele, Lester "PICKRICK" Maddox, David Duke, Stalin among other good people. Those wonderful folks knew how to deal with "problems" efficiently.
