Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Reality equals whataboutism. Deny all you want.

OBAMA HELD MORE THAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN SHELTERS COMPARED TO TRUMP WHITE HOUSE

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administ ... ver-949099

Must be true, it's ON the internet.

Obamer was for open borders

[OCanada]

OS once again view with selective bias.

The USA is paying 750 per diem to for profit corporations to house kids taken away from their parentsz. Coris with ties to the WH in some cases.

There were deals in the table move forward. One deal Trump approved and then torpedoed.

Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different out come. Mitch McConnell and the Freedom cough caucus.

[old salt]

How much do you suppose those contractors have to pay in premiums for liability insurance?
What if CBP, ICE or HHS release a kid to a trafficker falsely claiming to be a parent ?

So how do you house & detain a surge of tens of thousands of migrants, on short notice ?

How long does it take to fund & build facilities, then hire, train & certify staff for them ?
Then you're stuck with them when the surge subsides.

Look at the resistance to using active duty military or border state National Guard.
It's ok to use our military to build refugee camps for thousands in Haiti & send a Navy hospital ship, but a]Trump's a military dictator if he tries to use our military to house & detain illegal entrants & asylum seekers on our southern border.

Remember -- this was just a phony caravan crisis a few months ago.

[a fan]

Reality equals whataboutism. Deny all you want.

OBAMA HELD MORE THAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN SHELTERS COMPARED TO TRUMP WHITE HOUSE

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administ ... ver-949099

Must be true, it's ON the internet.

Great. So tell me: what did the Republican held Congress do to fix the problem in those years?

Same thing the Dems in the House and the Republicans in the Senate are doing now: nothing. And oh hey, look: there's an election right around the corner, and now they have the same exact issue that Trump ran on two years ago to campaign on..... wow. Must be a coincidence, right?

Catching on yet?

[ABV 8.3%]

Reality equals whataboutism. Deny all you want.

OBAMA HELD MORE THAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN SHELTERS COMPARED TO TRUMP WHITE HOUSE

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administ ... ver-949099

Must be true, it's ON the internet.

Great. So tell me: what did the Republican held Congress do to fix the problem in those years?

Same thing the Dems in the House and the Republicans in the Senate are doing now: nothing. And oh hey, look: there's an election right around the corner, and now they have the same exact issue that Trump ran on two years ago to campaign on..... wow. Must be a coincidence, right?

Catching on yet?

where can I pick up my TAATS badge?

[OCanada]

SenMajLdr is currently sitting on about 400? Pieces of legislation not permitting votes on them. Many would likely pass. He has also said if a dem reaches the WH nothing will pass. Refers to himself as the grim reaper. Day after Obama was elected SML days he will make sure he is a one term president and refuses to let anything advance that might look like an accomplishment.

Meanwhile some point back and say well Obama ....trying to erase the SML.

Obama actually deported 2x as many as trump did last year. In one year. The difference was the judicial process was followed. Trump could do the same but chooses not to do it. He also could alleviate conditions but chooses not to do it. The he sends surrogates like Pence and Conway to lie about it. Fox amplifies the lie and the right wing international conspiracy organizations swing into action. Then devourers of Fox help spread the fertilizer

[old salt]

SenMajLdr is currently sitting on about 400? Pieces of legislation not permitting votes in them.

See if Lindsey Graham can get Mitch to bring his bill to a Senate vote :

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politi ... 23308.html

U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham put his reelection at stake in 2014 for helping champion a bipartisan, comprehensive immigration bill the year before.
On Tuesday, at a closely watched congressional hearing, the South Carolina Republican reminded everyone of that fact — and got a Trump administration official to confirm under oath that, had that bill been signed into law, many of today’s border security hurdles would be moot.

“If we’d passed th(is) ... bill, do you agree that most of the problems we’re dealing with, if not all, would not exist?” Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, asked acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan.
" We’d have 20,000 additional border security agents,” replied McAleenan, testifying before the committee Tuesday on the overwhelming numbers of migrants from Central America trying to enter the United States. “We’d be a lot more secure on the border.”

Later, Graham asked McAleenan, “isn’t there generally a tradeoff in a deal, where one side gets something and the other side gets something? Hasn’t the old trade-off been, we’ll give a pathway to citizenship for non-felons in return for better border security?”
“That was where you had 68 votes,” McAleenan conceded, referencing the compromise immigration bill from 2013.

After the hearing, Graham told McClatchy his reason for bringing up the 2013 immigration measure — which passed the U.S. Senate 68-32 but was never taken up in the U.S. House — was “just to let people know that there were solutions out there that would work. It’s my way of saying, according to the experts, the (2013) bill would work.”
Graham also was trying to extoll the virtues of compromise in crafting any kind of immigration bill.

Graham is currently touting a bill aimed at stopping the flood of migrants seeking entry into the United States through the southern border. As currently written, the bill would force migrants to make asylum claims in their home countries prior to arriving at the border. It also would allow minors to be held in detention with their families for 100 days, up from the current 20-day maximum window.

Graham is getting praised by conservatives for this proposal, which was the subject of the Tuesday hearing that called for McAleenan’s testimony. The legislation is, in fact, basically the bill version of the Trump administration’s wish list for dealing with what many consider an escalating humanitarian crisis.

Graham, whose default position as a legislator is that of a dealmaker, is eager to find a compromise that allows his bill to advance. He plans to schedule a Judiciary Committee meeting for next week to debate and make amendments to the measure, and has invited Democrats to offer their policy suggestions.
He’s optimistic Democrats are realizing they’ll be blamed politically for stonewalling a bill to stem the border crisis, just as Republicans will be blamed if they can’t send their president a bill that addresses the dilemma because of a refusal to negotiate.
“If they don’t get the reality that we’re working in good faith with them and they say ‘no,’ they’re going to get blamed,” Graham predicted, “and vice versa.”

There’s another political advantage for Graham in proceeding on this path: He could end up presiding over a bipartisan compromise bill that gets signed into law by a Republican president who still remains popular in his state.

The chances for such an outcome are slim given the partisan acrimony and distrust around the immigration debate particularly. Even Graham has signaled some equivocation on how committed he is to bipartisanship this time around, suggesting just weeks ago he would only let Democrats debate broader immigration legislation if they agreed to pass his asylum bill first.

Still, there were signs of a thawing of partisanship at the Judiciary Committee hearing on Tuesday.
U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., Graham’s longtime partner on immigration legislation, said he could not support the border security bill as written, but that he was “hopeful” members of both parties could find common ground.
“I’m hopeful because I know this chairman,” Durbin said. “I’ve worked with this chairman on bipartisan solutions.”
“I hope, Mr. Chairman, that your side will sit down with us and see if we can’t work out some bill of which we, as Americans, can really be proud,” U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, added.

[old salt]

PBS Newshour report on how Brazil uses their military to care for Venezuelan migrants :

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/for-v ... ncertainty

[6ftstick]

Who needs border security? They're all just families seeking asylum.

Wielding machetes and baseball bats, MS-13 carried out ‘medieval’ killings, feds say

Of the 22 defendants, 19 had entered the United States illegally in the past three or four years, according to Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles.

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/na ... 7a892.html

[a fan]

Who needs border security? They're all just families seeking asylum.

Wielding machetes and baseball bats, MS-13 carried out ‘medieval’ killings, feds say

Of the 22 defendants, 19 had entered the United States illegally in the past three or four years, according to Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles.

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/na ... 7a892.html

Have you sent a letter to Trump yet? Or your Republican representatives?

If this is such a problem, why do Trump's ratings keep going up among you and your fellow Republicans?

[6ftstick]

Who needs border security? They're all just families seeking asylum.

Wielding machetes and baseball bats, MS-13 carried out ‘medieval’ killings, feds say

Of the 22 defendants, 19 had entered the United States illegally in the past three or four years, according to Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles.

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/na ... 7a892.html

Have you sent a letter to Trump yet? Or your Republican representatives?

If this is such a problem, why do Trump's ratings keep going up among you and your fellow Republicans?

All legislation originates in the House of representatives. Where democrats are doing nothing to fix the issue.

Except calling the federal agents ENFORCING federal law Nazis and racists.

Trump is trying everything to fix it. Thats why his favorables increase.

19 illegal immigrants HACK other humans to death and you ask "IF" THIS IS A PROBLEM?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Who needs border security? They're all just families seeking asylum.

Wielding machetes and baseball bats, MS-13 carried out ‘medieval’ killings, feds say

Of the 22 defendants, 19 had entered the United States illegally in the past three or four years, according to Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles.

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/na ... 7a892.html

Have you sent a letter to Trump yet? Or your Republican representatives?

If this is such a problem, why do Trump's ratings keep going up among you and your fellow Republicans?

All legislation originates in the House of representatives. Where democrats are doing nothing to fix the issue.

Except calling the federal agents ENFORCING federal law Nazis and racists.

Trump is trying everything to fix it. Thats why his favorables increase.

19 illegal immigrants HACK other humans to death and you ask "IF" THIS IS A PROBLEM?

“Dems” been in charge for how many months?

[a fan]

All legislation originates in the House of representatives.

Give that man a cigar!

Let's try for two correct answers: how come Trump didn't fix the problem all of 7 months ago when Republicans controlled the House?

Let me guess-----it wasn't his fault then, either, right?

Yes. I ask "if' this is a problem. You're a Republican. Republicans had control of all of Government for two years. Further, Trump is the leader of the party.

I don't remember one single solitary angry post from you over the last two years about how your party did nothing to fix the problem.

You waved it through, and just like you did at the Water Cooler, give your own party every excuse in the book for why "it's cool" that they did nothing about the problem.

It was the single biggest thing Trump ran on, and you're acting like he "forgot" to pass an immigration bill. Same goes for Obamacare.

Wanna know how Trump could fix it? "Republican Congressmen---i won't sign one single bill until you pass immigration reform. Get on it."

THAT would work. Did he do that? Nope. What did he do instead? Signed three massive spending bills, making the 1% and everyone in DC richer than ever. Pelosi voted yes on all three bills....and upon hearing this, you ignore what I'm trying to tell you because of a little R.

Wake up.

[CU77]

I admire you for your tireless efforts, a fan, but 6ft, c&s, os, and the rest of the trumpistas here will never ever get it …

And those who haven't denounced trump's racism are all trumpistas now matter how much they mewl to the contrary …

[MDlaxfan76]

I admire you for your tireless efforts, a fan, but 6ft, c&s, os, and the rest of the trumpistas here will never ever get it …

And those who haven't denounced trump's racism are all trumpistas now matter how much they mewl to the contrary …

+1

[runrussellrun]

All legislation originates in the House of representatives. Where democrats are doing nothing to fix the issue.

Except calling the federal agents ENFORCING federal law Nazis and racists.

Trump is trying everything to fix it. Thats why his favorables increase.

19 illegal immigrants HACK other humans to death and you ask "IF" THIS IS A PROBLEM?

THis is the number one TAATS issue. 72inchstick, the facts don't lie. There were SEVERAL votes last year on immigration. All failed. tRump tweeted NOTHING about the 41 r's that voted against his bill. Repeat, tRump said not a gosh darn word. (take that back, he did jerk something like, "it would nevah pass the senate anyway " Coward. Such a deal maker Donald )

Here are all the VOTES. THE FACTS.

H.R. 6136: Border Security and Immigration Reform Act of 2018
House Vote #297
Jun 27, 2018 1:50 p.m.
Failed 121/301
On Passage of the Bill in the House
H.R. 6136 enhances enforcement of existing immigration law, closes immigration enforcement loopholes, ends the catch and release policy, provides $25 billion in funding to secure the border, provides a legislative solution for the current beneficiaries of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, and establishes a new merit-based visa ...


H.R. 4760: Securing America’s Future Act of 2018 aka, the Goodlate Bill
House Vote #282
Jun 21, 2018 2:11 p.m.
Failed 193/231
On Passage of the Bill in the House
This bill would make sweeping changes to laws governing legal and illegal immigration. For legal immigration, it would end the diversity program and chain migration by eliminating the visa lottery green card program and green card programs for relatives other than spouses and minor children. And it would increase immigration ...

On Motion to Recommit with Instructions: H.R. 3697: Criminal Alien Gang Member Removal Act
House Vote #516
Failed 184/220
Sep 14, 2017 10:50 a.m.

On Motion to Recommit with Instructions: H.R. 3003: No Sanctuary for Criminals Act
House Vote #341
Jun 29, 2017 5:07 p.m.
Failed 181/230

[runrussellrun]

But....then you go to THIS session of Congress, and it sure looks like the Democrats ARE attempting immigration reform. tRump even signed one of them into law

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/ ... ation/6206


H.R. 3401: Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Humanitarian Assistance and Security at the Southern Border Act, 2019
Jun 27, 2019 at 5:17 p.m. ET. Concurring in the Senate Amendment in the House.
This was a vote to pass H.R. 3401 in the House.

Totals
All Votes Democrats Republicans
Aye 71% 305 129 .............with 7 R's vote NO. But, 129 r's voted to support humans of brown skin. Such racists?

Or course, billions for nothing...... aka "operations and support "

[foreverlax]

6ftstick "All legislation originates in the House of representatives."

No cigars today....legislation can originate in either house.

I'm Just a Bill.

[runrussellrun]

6ftstick "All legislation originates in the House of representatives."

No cigars today....legislation can originate in either house.

I'm Just a Bill.

AFAN didn't catch that, yet he wanted to still give a cigar.

Started making my own blunts, roll them with three kinds of Connecticutt wrapper. Uncle Bobby's Blunt Truth.

[a fan]

AFAN didn't catch that, yet he wanted to still give a cigar.

Yep. Dropped the ball on that one....forgot that this is (likely) a spending bill, (likely) not a taxation bill. Bill which generate revenue must start in the House.

Sure wish other posters would admit when they're wrong as easily as I do....it ain't that hard. I was wrong.