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CU88 wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:22 pm Interesting to see how the deplorables spin this outcome:

Trump dossier author Steele gets 16-hour DOJ grilling

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/ ... lid=964328

"The interview was contentious at first, the sources added, but investigators ultimately found Steele’s testimony credible and even surprising. The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016."

Option 1 is "blame the swamp",
Option 2 is "blame our failing Intelligence",
Option 3 is "Blame Obama and missing emails",
Option 4 is :lol: :lol: :lol:
Option 5 -- gathering detailed testimony from Steele to compare with the testimony already given by the subjects under investigation by the IG.

Pick up the mic.
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old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:15 am
CU88 wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:22 pm Interesting to see how the deplorables spin this outcome:

Trump dossier author Steele gets 16-hour DOJ grilling

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/ ... lid=964328

"The interview was contentious at first, the sources added, but investigators ultimately found Steele’s testimony credible and even surprising. The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016."

Option 1 is "blame the swamp",
Option 2 is "blame our failing Intelligence",
Option 3 is "Blame Obama and missing emails",
Option 4 is :lol: :lol: :lol:
Option 5 -- gathering detailed testimony from Steele to compare with the testimony already given by the subjects under investigation by the IG.

Pick up the mic.
Sounds like #5’s already done. You seem to not want to hear that.
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He’s exonerated!!

Ohh, just read it. Still a liar.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:27 am
old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:15 am
CU88 wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:22 pm Interesting to see how the deplorables spin this outcome:

Trump dossier author Steele gets 16-hour DOJ grilling

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/ ... lid=964328

"The interview was contentious at first, the sources added, but investigators ultimately found Steele’s testimony credible and even surprising. The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016."

Option 1 is "blame the swamp",
Option 2 is "blame our failing Intelligence",
Option 3 is "Blame Obama and missing emails",
Option 4 is :lol: :lol: :lol:
Option 5 -- gathering detailed testimony from Steele to compare with the testimony already given by the subjects under investigation by the IG.

Pick up the mic.
Sounds like #5’s already done. You seem to not want to hear that.
What ? I posted #5. It's what I think is most likely happening.
Getting Steele's version of his contacts with the DoJ, FBI, & State Dept.
I suspect that's why they spent so much time with Steele & why they're extending the investigation.
Since meeting with Steele, officials they interviewed before are contacting them to revise their stories
& others are coming forward.
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old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:32 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:27 am
old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:15 am
CU88 wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:22 pm Interesting to see how the deplorables spin this outcome:

Trump dossier author Steele gets 16-hour DOJ grilling

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/ ... lid=964328

"The interview was contentious at first, the sources added, but investigators ultimately found Steele’s testimony credible and even surprising. The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016."

Option 1 is "blame the swamp",
Option 2 is "blame our failing Intelligence",
Option 3 is "Blame Obama and missing emails",
Option 4 is :lol: :lol: :lol:
Option 5 -- gathering detailed testimony from Steele to compare with the testimony already given by the subjects under investigation by the IG.

Pick up the mic.
Sounds like #5’s already done. You seem to not want to hear that.
What ? I posted #5. It's what I think is most likely happening.
Getting Steele's version of his contacts with the DoJ, FBI, & State Dept.
I suspect that's why they spent so much time with Steele & why they're extending the investigation.
Since meeting with Steele, officials they interviewed before are contacting them to revise their stories
& others are coming forward.
Well, that’s not what is being reported. The reporting is that the IG team found Steele quite credible, even surprisingly so, and what he shared to be quite disturbing.

Of course the reporting could be wrong.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:46 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:32 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:27 am
old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:15 am
CU88 wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:22 pm Interesting to see how the deplorables spin this outcome:

Trump dossier author Steele gets 16-hour DOJ grilling

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/ ... lid=964328

"The interview was contentious at first, the sources added, but investigators ultimately found Steele’s testimony credible and even surprising. The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016."

Option 1 is "blame the swamp",
Option 2 is "blame our failing Intelligence",
Option 3 is "Blame Obama and missing emails",
Option 4 is :lol: :lol: :lol:
Option 5 -- gathering detailed testimony from Steele to compare with the testimony already given by the subjects under investigation by the IG.

Pick up the mic.
Sounds like #5’s already done. You seem to not want to hear that.
What ? I posted #5. It's what I think is most likely happening.
Getting Steele's version of his contacts with the DoJ, FBI, & State Dept.
I suspect that's why they spent so much time with Steele & why they're extending the investigation.
Since meeting with Steele, officials they interviewed before are contacting them to revise their stories
& others are coming forward.
Well, that’s not what is being reported. The reporting is that the IG team found Steele quite credible, even surprisingly so, and what he shared to be quite disturbing.

Of course the reporting could be wrong.
You're not understanding -- Steele may be credible in explaining his dealings with FBI/DoJ people -- which is what the DoJ IG is investigating.
The DoJ/FBI people who've already talked to the IG may have a different version of their dealings with Steele, which may be why some of them are revising their statement & others are coming forward.

Think about it -- it's 3 DoJ IG lawyers, not CIA Russia analysts.
Do you think DoJ IG lawyers are there to verify Steele's "intel" ?
That's not their area of subject matter expertise.
They're investigating how DoJ/FBI members conducted the Crossfire Hurricane investigation & (possilby) the subsequent counter intell investigation of Trump, until Mueller took over.
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old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:10 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:46 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:32 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:27 am
old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:15 am
CU88 wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:22 pm Interesting to see how the deplorables spin this outcome:

Trump dossier author Steele gets 16-hour DOJ grilling

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/ ... lid=964328

"The interview was contentious at first, the sources added, but investigators ultimately found Steele’s testimony credible and even surprising. The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016."

Option 1 is "blame the swamp",
Option 2 is "blame our failing Intelligence",
Option 3 is "Blame Obama and missing emails",
Option 4 is :lol: :lol: :lol:
Option 5 -- gathering detailed testimony from Steele to compare with the testimony already given by the subjects under investigation by the IG.

Pick up the mic.
Sounds like #5’s already done. You seem to not want to hear that.
What ? I posted #5. It's what I think is most likely happening.
Getting Steele's version of his contacts with the DoJ, FBI, & State Dept.
I suspect that's why they spent so much time with Steele & why they're extending the investigation.
Since meeting with Steele, officials they interviewed before are contacting them to revise their stories
& others are coming forward.
Well, that’s not what is being reported. The reporting is that the IG team found Steele quite credible, even surprisingly so, and what he shared to be quite disturbing.

Of course the reporting could be wrong.
You're not understanding -- Steele may be credible in explaining his dealings with FBI/DoJ people -- which is what the DoJ IG is investigating.
The DoJ/FBI people who've already talked to the IG may have a different version of their dealings with Steele, which may be why some of them are revising their statement & others are coming forward.

Think about it -- it's 3 DoJ IG lawyers, not CIA Russia analysts.
Do you think DoJ IG lawyers are there to verify Steele's "intel" ?
That's not their area of subject matter expertise.
They're investigating how DoJ/FBI members conducted the Crossfire Hurricane investigation & (possilby) the subsequent counter intell investigation of Trump, until Mueller took over.
I could well be misunderstanding but I believe the reporting is that the IG team spent 16 hours with Steele themselves. Initially skeptical, they came away as believers.

Of course, the whole right wing conspiracy theory is that the Deep State folks at FBI and our IC, including the Russia experts, in general all were too accepting of Steele's information as credible. Indeed, that they remained convinced that there was strong reason to at a minimum investigate whether the fundamental proposition was correct, that the Russians had an extensive active measures campaign to disrupt the election on behalf of Trump. There was more, of course, including the proposition that Trump himself, as well as others on his Campaign, were vulnerable to Russian leverage because of various information that the Russians knew and Trump and his campaign staffers (including Chairman and family members) weren't telling the public.

Both of those fundamental propositions have proven out as accurate. Were all the details accurate? Let's assume not. But the fundamental concern was amply justified, as the FBI indeed learned, and this is just based upon what we've seen in the public filings in court and in the core information of the Mueller Report. What we don't know is what remains an ongoing counter-intelligence investigation, as Mueller avoided anything pertaining to ongoing investigations. All we know is that such exist.

So, now we're hearing that the IG folks also found Steele credible, not just the IC specialists on Russia. You want to pooh pooh that? Are you beginning to not trust the IG team too?
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:19 pmI could well be misunderstanding but I believe the reporting is that the IG team spent 16 hours with Steele themselves. Initially skeptical, they came away as believers.
...believers in what ? What Steele reported in his dossier or what Steele told them about his dealings with the DoJ, FBI, State Dept & MSM ?

What is the IG investigating ?

You think you know what the IG's going to conclude ?
You don't even know what they questioned Steele about.
Here's the original report from Marc Hosenball of Reuters, upon which all the other "reporting" (& speculation) are based :
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1U410I

Federal lawyers probing the origins of the investigation of ties between Russia and President Donald Trump’s campaign have interviewed the author of a “dossier” that alleged misconduct between Trump and Moscow, prompting the lawyers to extend their inquiry.

Three attorneys from the Inspector General’s office of the U.S. Department of Justice met in person in early June with dossier author Christopher Steele in Britain, said two sources with direct knowledge of the lawyers’ travels.

The Justice Department’s inspector general has been examining the earliest stages of an FBI investigation of Trump, his former 2016 presidential campaign rival Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, Russia and former Trump adviser Carter Page.

One of the two sources said Horowitz’s investigators appear to have found Steele’s information sufficiently credible to have to extend the investigation. Its completion date is now unclear.

A key focus of the Horowitz probe is whether the FBI followed proper procedures when it applied for a warrant with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to secretly conduct surveillance on Page and his ties to Russia.

Declassified documents show that the FBI cited information in Steele’s dossier when it asked the secretive FISA court in late 2016 for a warrant to eavesdrop electronically on Page, a U.S. businessman with interests in Russia.

Horowitz’s office in Washington declined to comment.
A spokesman for Orbis Business Intelligence, Steele’s London investigations firm, declined to comment.
UK government agencies declined to disclose whether they were in contact with Horowitz’s team in London.

Investigators working for Mueller in September 2017 twice interviewed Steele, who also gave written testimony to the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee in August 2018. That panel and other committees of Congress have taken up where Mueller left off after his investigation ended.
Mueller had the intel analysts at his disposal. The IG does not. Steele's dossier is barely mentioned in the Mueller report.
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old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:19 pmI could well be misunderstanding but I believe the reporting is that the IG team spent 16 hours with Steele themselves. Initially skeptical, they came away as believers.
...believers in what ? What Steele reported in his dossier or what Steele told them about his dealings with the DoJ, FBI, State Dept & MSM ?

What is the IG investigating ?

You think you know what the IG's going to conclude ?
You don't even know what they questioned Steele about.
Here's the original report from Marc Hosenball of Reuters, upon which all the other "reporting" (& speculation) are based :
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1U410I

Federal lawyers probing the origins of the investigation of ties between Russia and President Donald Trump’s campaign have interviewed the author of a “dossier” that alleged misconduct between Trump and Moscow, prompting the lawyers to extend their inquiry.

Three attorneys from the Inspector General’s office of the U.S. Department of Justice met in person in early June with dossier author Christopher Steele in Britain, said two sources with direct knowledge of the lawyers’ travels.

The Justice Department’s inspector general has been examining the earliest stages of an FBI investigation of Trump, his former 2016 presidential campaign rival Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, Russia and former Trump adviser Carter Page.

One of the two sources said Horowitz’s investigators appear to have found Steele’s information sufficiently credible to have to extend the investigation. Its completion date is now unclear.

A key focus of the Horowitz probe is whether the FBI followed proper procedures when it applied for a warrant with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to secretly conduct surveillance on Page and his ties to Russia.

Declassified documents show that the FBI cited information in Steele’s dossier when it asked the secretive FISA court in late 2016 for a warrant to eavesdrop electronically on Page, a U.S. businessman with interests in Russia.

Horowitz’s office in Washington declined to comment.
A spokesman for Orbis Business Intelligence, Steele’s London investigations firm, declined to comment.
UK government agencies declined to disclose whether they were in contact with Horowitz’s team in London.

Investigators working for Mueller in September 2017 twice interviewed Steele, who also gave written testimony to the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee in August 2018. That panel and other committees of Congress have taken up where Mueller left off after his investigation ended.
Mueller had the intel analysts at his disposal. The IG does not. The Mueller Report did not even cite Steele's "intel".
Yup, they found Steele credible. 16 hours.
What, do you think he told him it was all bogus and that's what they found credible? :roll:

No, they were looking to try to find evidence that the counter-intelligence operation was ill-founded, or worse. That's what Barr wants to hear. Find that, and the IG can give the GOP what it wants and wrap things up with a report to that effect. Find the opposite and the investigation continues on.

Now, the reporting could be inaccurate or confused, but it says they found Steele to be credible.
Kinda undermines the whole notion that he's a liar.

But why would the Steele dossier be discussed at any length in the Mueller Report?

Mueller reported on what his team's investigation uncovered from an actual investigation that they, not Steele, performed. Of course, what they did not include was all sorts of threads and information that remain outstanding in other investigations, both counter intelligence and financial crimes etc. Whole bunch of investigations outstanding.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:36 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:19 pmI could well be misunderstanding but I believe the reporting is that the IG team spent 16 hours with Steele themselves. Initially skeptical, they came away as believers.
...believers in what ? What Steele reported in his dossier or what Steele told them about his dealings with the DoJ, FBI, State Dept & MSM ?

What is the IG investigating ?

You think you know what the IG's going to conclude ?
You don't even know what they questioned Steele about.
Here's the original report from Marc Hosenball of Reuters, upon which all the other "reporting" (& speculation) are based :
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1U410I

Federal lawyers probing the origins of the investigation of ties between Russia and President Donald Trump’s campaign have interviewed the author of a “dossier” that alleged misconduct between Trump and Moscow, prompting the lawyers to extend their inquiry.

Three attorneys from the Inspector General’s office of the U.S. Department of Justice met in person in early June with dossier author Christopher Steele in Britain, said two sources with direct knowledge of the lawyers’ travels.

The Justice Department’s inspector general has been examining the earliest stages of an FBI investigation of Trump, his former 2016 presidential campaign rival Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, Russia and former Trump adviser Carter Page.

One of the two sources said Horowitz’s investigators appear to have found Steele’s information sufficiently credible to have to extend the investigation. Its completion date is now unclear.

A key focus of the Horowitz probe is whether the FBI followed proper procedures when it applied for a warrant with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to secretly conduct surveillance on Page and his ties to Russia.

Declassified documents show that the FBI cited information in Steele’s dossier when it asked the secretive FISA court in late 2016 for a warrant to eavesdrop electronically on Page, a U.S. businessman with interests in Russia.

Horowitz’s office in Washington declined to comment.
A spokesman for Orbis Business Intelligence, Steele’s London investigations firm, declined to comment.
UK government agencies declined to disclose whether they were in contact with Horowitz’s team in London.

Investigators working for Mueller in September 2017 twice interviewed Steele, who also gave written testimony to the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee in August 2018. That panel and other committees of Congress have taken up where Mueller left off after his investigation ended.
Mueller had the intel analysts at his disposal. The IG does not. The Mueller Report did not even cite Steele's "intel".
Yup, they found Steele credible. 16 hours.
What, do you think he told him it was all bogus and that's what they found credible? :roll:

No, they were looking to try to find evidence that the counter-intelligence operation was ill-founded, or worse. That's what Barr wants to hear. Find that, and the IG can give the GOP what it wants and wrap things up with a report to that effect. Find the opposite and the investigation continues on.

Now, the reporting could be inaccurate or confused, but it says they found Steele to be credible.
Kinda undermines the whole notion that he's a liar.

But why would the Steele dossier be discussed at any length in the Mueller Report?

Mueller reported on what his team's investigation uncovered from an actual investigation that they, not Steele, performed. Of course, what they did not include was all sorts of threads and information that remain outstanding in other investigations, both counter intelligence and financial crimes etc. Whole bunch of investigations outstanding.
The IG is trying to determine if DoJ officials acted within DoJ guidelines in seeking FISA warrants.
The IG is examining the nexus between Steele & DoJ officials.
This inquiry was commenced before Barr became AG.
Nobody's accusing Steele of lying, rather -- he was duped & fed disinformation by his Russian sources,
& DoJ officials were remiss in using it in FISA applications, without substantiation.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:36 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:19 pmI could well be misunderstanding but I believe the reporting is that the IG team spent 16 hours with Steele themselves. Initially skeptical, they came away as believers.
...believers in what ? What Steele reported in his dossier or what Steele told them about his dealings with the DoJ, FBI, State Dept & MSM ?

What is the IG investigating ?

You think you know what the IG's going to conclude ?
You don't even know what they questioned Steele about.
Here's the original report from Marc Hosenball of Reuters, upon which all the other "reporting" (& speculation) are based :
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1U410I

Federal lawyers probing the origins of the investigation of ties between Russia and President Donald Trump’s campaign have interviewed the author of a “dossier” that alleged misconduct between Trump and Moscow, prompting the lawyers to extend their inquiry.

Three attorneys from the Inspector General’s office of the U.S. Department of Justice met in person in early June with dossier author Christopher Steele in Britain, said two sources with direct knowledge of the lawyers’ travels.

The Justice Department’s inspector general has been examining the earliest stages of an FBI investigation of Trump, his former 2016 presidential campaign rival Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, Russia and former Trump adviser Carter Page.

One of the two sources said Horowitz’s investigators appear to have found Steele’s information sufficiently credible to have to extend the investigation. Its completion date is now unclear.

A key focus of the Horowitz probe is whether the FBI followed proper procedures when it applied for a warrant with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to secretly conduct surveillance on Page and his ties to Russia.

Declassified documents show that the FBI cited information in Steele’s dossier when it asked the secretive FISA court in late 2016 for a warrant to eavesdrop electronically on Page, a U.S. businessman with interests in Russia.

Horowitz’s office in Washington declined to comment.
A spokesman for Orbis Business Intelligence, Steele’s London investigations firm, declined to comment.
UK government agencies declined to disclose whether they were in contact with Horowitz’s team in London.

Investigators working for Mueller in September 2017 twice interviewed Steele, who also gave written testimony to the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee in August 2018. That panel and other committees of Congress have taken up where Mueller left off after his investigation ended.
Mueller had the intel analysts at his disposal. The IG does not. The Mueller Report did not even cite Steele's "intel".
Yup, they found Steele credible. 16 hours.
What, do you think he told him it was all bogus and that's what they found credible? :roll:

No, they were looking to try to find evidence that the counter-intelligence operation was ill-founded, or worse. That's what Barr wants to hear. Find that, and the IG can give the GOP what it wants and wrap things up with a report to that effect. Find the opposite and the investigation continues on.

Now, the reporting could be inaccurate or confused, but it says they found Steele to be credible.
Kinda undermines the whole notion that he's a liar.

But why would the Steele dossier be discussed at any length in the Mueller Report?

Mueller reported on what his team's investigation uncovered from an actual investigation that they, not Steele, performed. Of course, what they did not include was all sorts of threads and information that remain outstanding in other investigations, both counter intelligence and financial crimes etc. Whole bunch of investigations outstanding.
Soooooo MD, you bring up and interesting conundrum here. Do we not need to wait for the IG report to see how it dovetails(or does not) with the Mueller report? I have read a little bit of the Mueller report, i am about 100 pages in over the course of a month and so far it is a monotonous read. I think the cliff notes would serve me better, but I did say i would read it and I will. So far I think Mueller wasted alot of peoples time chasing whatever he was looking for. IMO this entire issue has turned into a cluster fudge. Our country could spend the next 50 years looking into this and nothing more will ever be known. So maybe in 2020 Putin will have a love affair with Bernie and decide he will rig the election so that he wins. I only wonder if that if Bernie becomes POTUS via what ever nefarious methods the Russians use will there still be the same outrage on this forum? I can see it already Bernie and Vlad, shirtless in a hot tub swilling down stollies and deciding how do we finally destroy all those capitalists. The only outrage will be JHU 72 didn't get an invitation to join them... :lol:
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Now, Former Republican VP candidate and Speaker of the House Paul Ryan admits Trump knows nothing about Government. Courage delayed is, what, useless?

Paul Ryan: "We've gotten so numbed ... Not in government, but where we live our lives, we have a responsibility to try and rebuild. Don't call a woman a 'horse face.' Don't cheat on your wife. Don't cheat on anything. Be a good person. Set a good example."
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Trinity wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:11 pm Now, Former Republican VP candidate and Speaker of the House Paul Ryan admits Trump knows nothing about Government. Courage delayed is, what, useless?

Paul Ryan: "We've gotten so numbed ... Not in government, but where we live our lives, we have a responsibility to try and rebuild. Don't call a woman a 'horse face.' Don't cheat on your wife. Don't cheat on anything. Be a good person. Set a good example."
The last time I remember the FLP consensus on Paul Ryan was not very impressive. If you kick Trump in the crotch verbally you too Paul Ryan can become a hero. :D
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http://www.insider.com/mueller-report-r ... her-2019-7

The Cliff Notes, by the author of Black Hawk Down.
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Thanks. Mark Bowden is my favorite author (present company excepted.
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De nada. He’s a master.
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That's a very readable narrative. It's telling how lengthy Vol II is, compared to Vol I.
Even if everyone reads it, I doubt it will generate sufficient public support for impeachment, based on obstruction of an investigation into a criminal conspiracy which could not be proven, or even credibly accused by Mueller.

I enjoyed his description of Flynn. Based on that -- apparently he concluded that Trump ok'd Flynn's call to Kislyak, via KT, then told him (indirectly) to lie (& keep Pence out of it). It was so stupid to send Pence out. They should have just refused to comment on anything based on an alleged leak of a classified intercept.

Blackhawk Down may be my all time favorite movie. I can't not rewatch it every time it pops up on cable.
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Trinity wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:00 pm The Congress is trying to determine if Trump is compromised. No one will say.
Too FN FUNNY

2.5 years 2500 subpoenas 19 democrat prosecutors 40 investigators. 500 witnesses questioned.

NO ONES TELLING. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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