The purpose was not to have you stop posting critical things about anyone. I was not advising you what you could post or for you to watch what you post, you can post freely what you want, I was just giving you a reason some may take certain posts critical. Be as critical of the women as you want there was no paternalistic notion on my part what so ever. You found the lacrosse world recently, great and welcome but realize what a small world it is.wlaxnut wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:52 pmI have always understood that talking about sports teams and their coaches and players and how they perform on the field was very natural. I try to keep in perspective that I am talking about games; organized athletics. They are, all of them, pastimes. Not devotion to God, or country or family. Sports.Bart wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:54 amThat works for you because you see it as faceless teams/players/coaches. There is a lot in here that I was going to comment on but deleted a much longer post. Feel free to comment as you will but also be aware that there are probably many on this forum who have deep personal relationships with people,coaches, players or alum of those teams that you see as faceless. What you see as a faceless entity someone else will see it as an aggressive unpleasant attack on someone or something they hold dear and will answer accordingly.wlaxnut wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:13 amI am new to the sport of women’s lacrosse. I discovered this fascinating sport six years ago when I was surfing the ESPN3 website for something to watch. I came across Kayla Treanor and the exciting Syracuse Orange and was immediately hooked. I am also new to these forums. I discovered LaxPower in 2018, and the superior Back-Up Stick in ’19. My daughter doesn’t play lacrosse, nor do any of my sons. After reading and considering your comments, I can understand where you’re coming from--and I can understand why some members take exception to some of my critical opinions. I’ll try to explain my philosophy, for what it’s worth.Bart wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:58 am
Antagonistic/confrontational comes from all sides...just a matter of perspective. Antagonistic to a group of fans/parents/team members to read their team was a bunch of underachievers. Confrontational/antagonistic to players/fans of a kid said to be a thug. Confrontational to a team/fans for being labeled pretenders. People can post what ever they want and stir the pot and be as provocative as they want but do not expect those who see the OP as antagonistic not to take the OP to task. The discussion one person finds "fun" may not be for others and elicit antagonistic responses in return.
NO dog directly in this kennel. It just seems to me this is akin to the kid on the playground who pokes the other kids and then runs to mom saying they are being mean to me.
I see my comments directed toward impersonal sports teams and players—and not personal attacks or judgments of a person. That may be a skewed philosophy, but that is honestly how I feel. I would probably feel differently if my daughter played lacrosse on a team mentioned on these boards, but since she doesn’t I can only see things from a fans perspective. For instance—to say that the current bullpen of the Boston Red Sox isn't performing well isn't a personal criticism of each person who makes up said bullpen to me. I have come to regard such comments/criticisms as part of the fan experience. If we pay to watch/attend the games—why don't we get to make comments on the product? For example, if I am a season ticket holder for a given team, why would it be hypocritical of me to question a players heart on that team, yet to call the ushers to break up a fight in the stands? Or to criticize a player from an opposing team as being a cheap shot artist when they are clearly trying to injure a player on the team I support/pay to see/am partly responsible for paying the salaries of--yet to want nothing to do with a fan of that opposing team who takes exception to my criticism and wants to pick a fight?
Picking fights in the stands, (or more directly, making personal attacks on these forums,) is another matter entirely, one which I think is distinct and separate from comments directed at players on the field. If I yell from the stands to exhort a player to stop loafing and get the lead out, or a similar type comment, and another fan nearby who happens to be related to that player takes exception and gets aggressive with me, I think that is inappropriate. If we’re all entitled to our opinion, then ideally we shouldn’t be personally criticized for them. Disagreeing with an opinion is one thing. To personally attack the person who states a controversial opinion is another. But we live in an imperfect world, so I understand why other members get personal. I try not to let it bother me and to take it in stride as being part of this forum fan experience.
In any event—that's just how I see it.
Again, no dog in this kennel, my kids play in a different divisions. Keep posting it makes the forum more interesting but realize the size of the lacrosse community makes it such that these things you see as faceless are not.
Sports is huge in this country. It only follows that the players and coaches of sports teams get talked about and written about 24/7 in this digital age. A good portion of the commentary is negative.
If I’m understanding what you’re saying, I’m being advised to watch what I write because someone might read it who has “deep personal relationships with people, coaches, players or alum.” and “see it as an aggressive unpleasant attack.” Perhaps have their feelings hurt. If I was to apply this rationale to any serious sports commentary in this country, people would say I was being non-sensical and ridiculous.
What is the distinction between Sports Talk Nation USA and women’s lacrosse on the Lax Power Back-Up Stick forum? Why is it okay to talk about male players and coaches freely, including the men’s lacrosse boards on this same Back-Up Stick, but a restrictive standard exists for what we can write about the performances of the female players and coaches of women’s lacrosse? All male athletes and coaches have family and friends with “deep personal relationships with people, coaches, players or alum.” I can’t imagine anyone saying we should stop saying critical things about male players and coaches for their performances on the field for the same reason. The notion is absurd.
I would strongly encourage you, and anyone else reading this, to search the word “paternalistic” on these boards and read what Badlands has eloquently opined on the subject. I can’t say it better than him.
https://youtu.be/pxeR7BPwVD8
as for "serious sports commentary..." That in itself is non-sensical. Sport commentary is just a distraction to take up time,there is nothing serious about it. Much like this board, it is nothing more than entertainment. There is nothing serious about it.
