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assuming this is true, that's a helluva shot over the bow to the other side of town (in context) to announce this in the middle of their search. can't say i blame them.Chips O'Toole wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:12 pmYep. He must have gotten an offer from Harvard. Otherwise, I can't see BU doing another extension now when they just gave him one (a "long term" extension) 18 months ago. They must have had a gun to their head. Could make it interesting with their other candidates, who may have moved on by now, or in any event will realize they were not the top choice.laxpere wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:56 pmChips O'Toole wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:59 pm Does the length of time Harvard is taking to make an announcement tell us anything? Maybe a hire that is more complicated than would be typical, like a coach whose wife has to relocate her medical practice?Or maybe one who had to see how his current employer would respond?
Does the same go for Cassese? Or others?
If a player wants to play at Harvard, he should wait. Why not?
Do I detect a note of sarcasm??!!!boredatwork wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:25 pmAnd once a Junior/Senior makes a verbal commitment he has never changed his commitment...
Yep, sounds like the Harvard mentality that has led to so much success recently. We don't need no stinking recruiting! I bet it sounds great to their head coaching short list, too. (Polley was super impressed.) Yale was at every major recruiting event this summer (which is basically over now). Penn, Brown, Cornell and Princeton, too. I guess they were just wasting time. Why bother?callaxdad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:59 pmDo I detect a note of sarcasm??!!!boredatwork wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:25 pmAnd once a Junior/Senior makes a verbal commitment he has never changed his commitment...
The rising seniors are spoken for already....if a kid wants to flip to Harvard, he has time.... the rising juniors can't be contacted until 9/1.... Harvard has some time.... the next coach is likely already recruiting......no?Chips O'Toole wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:36 pmYep, sounds like the Harvard mentality that has led to so much success recently. We don't need no stinking recruiting! I bet it sounds great to their head coaching short list, too. (Polley was super impressed.) Yale was at every major recruiting event this summer (which is basically over now). Penn, Brown, Cornell and Harvard, too. I guess they were just wasting time. Why bother?callaxdad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:59 pmDo I detect a note of sarcasm??!!!boredatwork wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:25 pmAnd once a Junior/Senior makes a verbal commitment he has never changed his commitment...
Yes, all great points. But not just any kid can pull off a flip to Harvard. The ones who can are probably committed to another Ivy or great school they are very excited to attend. They've gotten to be friends with their other recruiting class members, maybe have plans to share a dorm room, etc. And yes, the next coach is out there. But who is he evaluating? Kids who want to go to Amherst? Is he fishing in the right pond?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:45 pmThe rising seniors are spoken for already....if a kid wants to flip to Harvard, he has time.... the rising juniors can't be contacted until 9/1.... Harvard has some time.... the next coach is likely already recruiting......no?Chips O'Toole wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:36 pmYep, sounds like the Harvard mentality that has led to so much success recently. We don't need no stinking recruiting! I bet it sounds great to their head coaching short list, too. (Polley was super impressed.) Yale was at every major recruiting event this summer (which is basically over now). Penn, Brown, Cornell and Princeton, too. I guess they were just wasting time. Why bother?callaxdad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:59 pmDo I detect a note of sarcasm??!!!boredatwork wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:25 pmAnd once a Junior/Senior makes a verbal commitment he has never changed his commitment...
There are strong students at lots of schools. We saw a player from Hofstra go to Penn, a player from Stony Brook go to Duke and. Player from Albany go to Yale. Good students and I am sure they can do the work. Harvard’s issue is not attracting the “wrong” kind of players. Harvard’s 2020 Class is full. The 2021 Class is in the works. If a player wants to go to Harvard to play lacrosse and he is a high level player and a high level student, he will have a chance. Contact is Sept. 1st. Worst case scenario, the 2021 Class could be soft. Will just be recruited over.Chips O'Toole wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:17 pmYes, all great points. But not just any kid can pull off a flip to Harvard. The ones who can are probably committed to another Ivy or great school they are very excited to attend. They've gotten to be friends with their other recruiting class members, maybe have plans to share a dorm room, etc. And yes, the next coach is out there. But who is he evaluating? Kids who want to go to Amherst? Is he fishing in the right pond?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:45 pmThe rising seniors are spoken for already....if a kid wants to flip to Harvard, he has time.... the rising juniors can't be contacted until 9/1.... Harvard has some time.... the next coach is likely already recruiting......no?Chips O'Toole wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:36 pmYep, sounds like the Harvard mentality that has led to so much success recently. We don't need no stinking recruiting! I bet it sounds great to their head coaching short list, too. (Polley was super impressed.) Yale was at every major recruiting event this summer (which is basically over now). Penn, Brown, Cornell and Princeton, too. I guess they were just wasting time. Why bother?callaxdad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:59 pmDo I detect a note of sarcasm??!!!boredatwork wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:25 pmAnd once a Junior/Senior makes a verbal commitment he has never changed his commitment...
Sowell does make a lot of sense, at least on paper. For one thing I can't see him turning down an offer - no chance of him squeezing more $$$ from his current gig, after all. And if they finalized this today no one would be talking about recruiting tomorrow. So what's the hold up? Personality issues? Control issues? Bad reports from Navy?PicLax wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:11 am So Chips you’re assuming it’s JT?
This delay not only hurting Harvard recruiting, but other schools as well. What are JT and KC telling potential Amherst and Lehigh prospects? Who are they recruiting for?
My money for the Harvard HC is Sowell. HC and Ivy experience. Able to walk into an HC job right away, important in both recruiting rest of this summer, fall recruiting and start of fall practices. JT probably a top ten coach in all of college lacrosse, but can’t see him leaving a program he has built and gotten to within one win of a championship, especially with all the talent he has returning. KCs departure from Lehigh would be disruptive as well.
Ok, I didn't know that. IL shows 3 players committed for 2020, replacing an outgoing class with 13 players who accounted for over 100 points last season. I guess their info is incomplete. As for the 2021 class, I'm sure some work has been done, I'm just not sure by whom.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:51 amHarvard’s 2020 Class is full. The 2021 Class is in the works.
Particularly big chuckle at the notion that most of the recruiting events are over. I'm not sure what folks thought were the major recruiting events, but I suspect they don't realize that the top ones are upcoming.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:51 amThere are strong students at lots of schools. We saw a player from Hofstra go to Penn, a player from Stony Brook go to Duke and. Player from Albany go to Yale. Good students and I am sure they can do the work. Harvard’s issue is not attracting the “wrong” kind of players. Harvard’s 2020 Class is full. The 2021 Class is in the works. If a player wants to go to Harvard to play lacrosse and he is a high level player and a high level student, he will have a chance. Contact is Sept. 1st. Worst case scenario, the 2021 Class could be soft. Will just be recruited over.Chips O'Toole wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:17 pmYes, all great points. But not just any kid can pull off a flip to Harvard. The ones who can are probably committed to another Ivy or great school they are very excited to attend. They've gotten to be friends with their other recruiting class members, maybe have plans to share a dorm room, etc. And yes, the next coach is out there. But who is he evaluating? Kids who want to go to Amherst? Is he fishing in the right pond?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:45 pmThe rising seniors are spoken for already....if a kid wants to flip to Harvard, he has time.... the rising juniors can't be contacted until 9/1.... Harvard has some time.... the next coach is likely already recruiting......no?Chips O'Toole wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:36 pmYep, sounds like the Harvard mentality that has led to so much success recently. We don't need no stinking recruiting! I bet it sounds great to their head coaching short list, too. (Polley was super impressed.) Yale was at every major recruiting event this summer (which is basically over now). Penn, Brown, Cornell and Princeton, too. I guess they were just wasting time. Why bother?callaxdad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:59 pmDo I detect a note of sarcasm??!!!boredatwork wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:25 pmAnd once a Junior/Senior makes a verbal commitment he has never changed his commitment...
All correct, and I know you are much more knowledgeable than I -- and most everyone -- on this. And yes, there are several big events left this summer. My point was that having no one representing Harvard at Showtime, Blackcard, Crabfeast, Big 4, Sweetlax, and probably Naptown and the other events next weekend, just doesn't strike me as optimal. All of their conference foes were at those events evaluating 2021s. And as I mentioned, IL shows Harvard as having THREE 2020 commits, but you obviously have inside info on some still unpublicized commits. If they do have a full 2020 class already locked up by Wojcic, then they will be fine. You're certainly right that their eventual coach will show up on day 1 with a robust set of evaluations of 2021s to work with come September.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:11 amParticularly big chuckle at the notion that most of the recruiting events are over. I'm not sure what folks thought were the major recruiting events, but I suspect they don't realize that the top ones are upcoming.
It's also puzzling that anyone thinks that kids are committing right now...anywhere...other than the last few rising seniors. The 2020 class is virtually done in the Ivies, and have been done since last fall. My hunch would be that Wojcik's 2020 class was already solid. Sure, there's a little bit of movement throughout the year, and can even be a little bit the summer and early fall pre actual ED admission applications, but if someone in that class can be persuaded to switch to Harvard they have plenty of time to do so.
The 2021 class can't be spoken to yet. So, zero kids have locked in commitments. And none of these coaches being discussed are unaware of who the top targets are for that class, as well as the rising potentials.