That could well be true for GC's and their subs, who have long term, multi-project relationships. Work it out over multiple projects...maybe to some extent. But that's not the same as stiffing them altogether.get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:31 pmNot a developer or a contractor. Intimately tied into the business and see all of the back and forth. GC firms are famous for needing a “little help “ on this job and promising to make it up on the next one.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:41 pmReally???get it to x wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:11 pmI get tired of hearing about contractors being stiffed. Any subcontractor that plays in that world knows they will be asked to take a haircut on about half of their jobs, no matter who the prime contractor or developer are. It just plays out that way.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:07 amLike I said, daddy's money, tax fraud, and Russian mob money...but is it really $4B? I'm from Missouri, the 'show me state'...oh yeah, Trump refuses to do so...6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:57 pmI'll take being a 4 BILLION DOLLAR failure.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:57 amAnd to be further clear, Trump’s an enormous failure as an an entrepreneur or business man. Rather he’s a con man, a cheat. Daddy ‘s money, and tax fraud. When that ran out along with OPM, Russians, mob money etc. But a good ‘marketer’ yes, always appealing to the basest of desires, greed, jealousy, sexual excess.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:48 am I’m with you on the last bit, as long as the china being broken is neither the law nor ethics. Plenty of entrepreneurial types achieve success without cutting legal and ethical corners.
Yes, bureaucrat would probably be a more appropriate word than politician to describe your point. Or maybe ‘institutionalist’.
But in Mueller ‘s case, you’d need to also call him a leader and a highly effective prosecutor. Lots of ‘bureaucrats ‘ just push paper, never achieve much. That’s not Mueller.
You people are way gone.
Of course, he claimed it was $10B...
But then, how much OPM did he lose along the way?
How did his investors do?
How did his contractors do?
I've never stiffed a contractor in any of my real estate projects.
I've a few times asked them to defend their bill when it was out of whack with expectations or actually poor work, and had discounts applied, but nothing like what Trump apparently did regularly on fully contracted bid work that was completed on time and on budget.
Not sure why you'd suggest that stiffing contractors is something to be expected. You been a developer who has stiffed your contractors?
That's the Trump situation. He was a developer who stiffed architects, the guy providing the drapes, you name it, he stiffed them. They rarely said 'thank you, may have another sir'. Took what they could get, signed the NDA and walked away in regret. Trump's a con artist and a cheat. Eventually enough people wised up that he had to change his model.