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[MDlaxfan76]

From your article.

Officials involved with talks said they began in earnest last Sunday, when Kevin K. McAleenan, the acting secretary of homeland security, met over dinner with Mexico’s foreign minister. One senior government official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the closed-door negotiations that took place over several days, insisted that the Mexicans agreed to move faster and more aggressively to deter migrants than they ever have before.

Uh oh. Now you're stuck. Now you're agreeing with Trump, and you believe that the problem has been solved.

Trump's quote, again: is that this deal will greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States.”

Here Trump is claiming that this deal of his has fixed the illegal immigration crisis. That's what greatly reduced or eliminate means. Trump is telling you that illegal crossing might even drop to zero because of this deal..


You're on the spot now, 6ft. You either believe Trump, or you don't. So which is it?

Take your time and think it through, because there's a whole raft of consequences to your answer.

You said he lied about the deal created by the threat of tariffs. That paragraph says it made the Mexicans ACT faster. Begrudgingly buried in the fifth paragraph under a headline that said the opposite.So you lied.

As long as that kind of undercutting of Trumps attempts to solve the problem—by the democrats, the MSM and the never Trump republicans it will be difficult. But I don't see ANYONE else attempting to alleviate the situation. Trumps the first politician to try anything to stem the tied of illegal immigration since the 80's.

6ft, the article does not say the Mexicans actually agreed to something specific, nor even meaningful, rather it was just a US senior official who "insisted that the Mexicans agreed to move faster..." That's a US official claiming such, not a Mexican official confirming any specific agreement.

I'm not saying this was a "Deep State" attempt to keep Trump from tanking the economy, but sounds like there was quite a bit of desperation to come up with some sort of excuse to give Trump to get him to back off. The political types, including Trump's COS, were apparently trying to convince him to pull back, as they knew they were facing a revolt from the GOP Senate if they did not.

Trump declares victory, Trumpists celebrate, and economic calamity is avoided. Phew.
And the lies continue. And even now expand, get more grandiose by the hour.

oops, he just tweeted that tariffs aren't actually off the table...

"joint declaration of principles"...
Mexicans are claiming they are going to deploy their brand new "National Guard"...which is being explained as a new sort of police force...but these are really just renamed police as they certainly don't have a new group of policemen trained and ready...of course, it's not as if they haven't been struggling with the cartels as best they could, with the forces they have.

Mexican diplomats are struggling to try to provide some cover for Trump's declarations. Won't call him a liar, but they confirm there's no actual separate trade commitment the way he claims...so, they say that without the tariffs, Mexico's purchases of ag products will continue to rise...which they would in under any case absent a trade war.

The question is whether Trump truly doesn't understand this, or he's just playing his base for fools.

[Typical Lax Dad]

You have a typo. You typed base “FOR FOOLS” instead of base “OF FOOLS”

[wahoomurf]

You have a typo. You typed base “FOR FOOLS” instead of base “OF FOOLS”

"...FOR THE FOOLS THEY ARE".

[CU88]

From your article.

Officials involved with talks said they began in earnest last Sunday, when Kevin K. McAleenan, the acting secretary of homeland security, met over dinner with Mexico’s foreign minister. One senior government official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the closed-door negotiations that took place over several days, insisted that the Mexicans agreed to move faster and more aggressively to deter migrants than they ever have before.

Uh oh. Now you're stuck. Now you're agreeing with Trump, and you believe that the problem has been solved.

Trump's quote, again: is that this deal will greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States.”

Here Trump is claiming that this deal of his has fixed the illegal immigration crisis. That's what greatly reduced or eliminate means. Trump is telling you that illegal crossing might even drop to zero because of this deal..


You're on the spot now, 6ft. You either believe Trump, or you don't. So which is it?

Take your time and think it through, because there's a whole raft of consequences to your answer.

You said he lied about the deal created by the threat of tariffs. That paragraph says it made the Mexicans ACT faster. Begrudgingly buried in the fifth paragraph under a headline that said the opposite.So you lied.

As long as that kind of undercutting of Trumps attempts to solve the problem—by the democrats, the MSM and the never Trump republicans it will be difficult. But I don't see ANYONE else attempting to alleviate the situation. Trumps the first politician to try anything to stem the tied of illegal immigration since the 80's.

6ft, the article does not say the Mexicans actually agreed to something specific, nor even meaningful, rather it was just a US senior official who "insisted that the Mexicans agreed to move faster..." That's a US official claiming such, not a Mexican official confirming any specific agreement.

I'm not saying this was a "Deep State" attempt to keep Trump from tanking the economy, but sounds like there was quite a bit of desperation to come up with some sort of excuse to give Trump to get him to back off. The political types, including Trump's COS, were apparently trying to convince him to pull back, as they knew they were facing a revolt from the GOP Senate if they did not.

Trump declares victory, Trumpists celebrate, and economic calamity is avoided. Phew.
And the lies continue. And even now expand, get more grandiose by the hour.

oops, he just tweeted that tariffs aren't actually off the table...

"joint declaration of principles"...
Mexicans are claiming they are going to deploy their brand new "National Guard"...which is being explained as a new sort of police force...but these are really just renamed police as they certainly don't have a new group of policemen trained and ready...of course, it's not as if they haven't been struggling with the cartels as best they could, with the forces they have.

Mexican diplomats are struggling to try to provide some cover for Trump's declarations. Won't call him a liar, but they confirm there's no actual separate trade commitment the way he claims...so, they say that without the tariffs, Mexico's purchases of ag products will continue to rise...which they would in under any case absent a trade war.

The question is whether Trump truly doesn't understand this, or he's just playing his base for fools.

I can't wait to see a response!

I expect "Hillary", "Obama", "only Trump", "Democrats never", "Angry", "Snowflakes", "CNN", "MSM", etc...

It's really easy to always be "winning" when you can simply declare anything a "victory" and you know your supporters will believe you.

[wahoomurf]

That filthy, disgusting, vile megalomaniac has crossed the line. To view and listen to this bone-spurred, chicken turd scumbag speaking with anything but solemn reverence from the hallowed ground where 9,300, brave Americans are buried is beyond comprehension.

Of course, I realize so many equally disgusting Trumpsters on Fanlax are once again, rejoicing."But Nancy....yada,yada".She spoke her words on American soil.

Farewell.

[a fan]

As long as that kind of undercutting of Trumps attempts to solve the problem—by the democrats, the MSM and the never Trump republicans it will be difficult.

So when FoxNation and Trump undercut and undermined Obama.....you were on the Water Cooler, telling us that it's not Obama's fault, 1/3 of the nation's media is trying to keep him from doing his job, right? Over of half of Republican voters STILL think Obama is a Muslim....illustrating just how good of a job FoxNation did in sticking it to Obama.

But let's set that aside.

I'll ask the question again: do you believe Trump, or not? You're stuck. You don't want to answer the question because you don't want to go on record as saying that our problems on our southern border are now fixed.

But I don't see ANYONE else attempting to alleviate the situation. Trumps the first politician to try anything to stem the tied of illegal immigration since the 80's.

He had total control of government for two years.

Tell me: what did Trump do to fix immigration? Wheres' the bill? Where's the wall? Hint: it's nowhere. Trump passed three massive spending bill that didn't include funding for his wall. Trump doesn't want a wall. He wants a fight. Why? Because look at how happy you are that Trump is "fighting". His supporters love it, and clamor for more.

And hey, lookie here: we're "coincidentally" at an election cycle, and immigration is still a "problem", and Trump "surprisingly" doesn't have a wall.

He. DId. Nothing. And you don't care, and have a list of BS excuses as to why he did nothing. How many illegal immigrants worked at Trump properties again? You don't care. Anything to avoid holding Trump accountable for doing his job.

2 1/2 years, and you still can't bring yourself to tell me that Trump has either failed or has done something wrong. It's magical. Everyone else's fault but his.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Trump is the first politician to try to address the illegal immigration problem?



Folks need to wake up

[old salt]

https://www.dw.com/en/mexico-sends-6000 ... a-49096442

Mexico sends 6,000 National Guardsmen to control migrants at Guatemalan border

...the National Guard has been sent to stem the flow of migrants coming from Central America. The US is pressing for changes in asylum law.
Mexico is sending 6,000 members of the National Guard to reinforce its long and tangled border with southern neighbor Guatemala.

Washington is putting pressure on Mexico to change its asylum laws and to serve as a "safe third country," which would allow the US to deport Guatemalan asylum-seekers to Mexico and send Honduran and Salvadoran asylum-seekers to Guatemala.

The new Mexican government under President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador had resisted US pressure to control migrants moving across its territory towards the US, but in recent weeks has started to restrict visas and deport people back into Guatemala.

In February, Mexico's Congress approved the creation of a 60,000 strong National Guard to improve security in the country to deal with drug gangs, thousands of murders and people smuggling. Personnel have been drawn from existing federal, military and naval police rosters.

Security forces at the border have already detained a migrant caravan of several hundred people and deported them to Guatemala, and frozen bank accounts of alleged smugglers.

Mexico’s Finance Ministry said this week it had blocked the bank accounts of 26 people who had participated "in the trafficking of migrants and the illegal organization of migrant caravans."

The US Department of Homeland Security said on Wednesday that the number of people detained at the border in May had risen to the highest number in a decade: 132,887. Of these, 11,507 were children traveling alone.

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.dw.com/en/mexico-sends-6000 ... a-49096442

Mexico sends 6,000 National Guardsmen to control migrants at Guatemalan border

...the National Guard has been sent to stem the flow of migrants coming from Central America. The US is pressing for changes in asylum law.
Mexico is sending 6,000 members of the National Guard to reinforce its long and tangled border with southern neighbor Guatemala.

Washington is putting pressure on Mexico to change its asylum laws and to serve as a "safe third country," which would allow the US to deport Guatemalan asylum-seekers to Mexico and send Honduran and Salvadoran asylum-seekers to Guatemala.

The new Mexican government under President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador had resisted US pressure to control migrants moving across its territory towards the US, but in recent weeks has started to restrict visas and deport people back into Guatemala.

In February, Mexico's Congress approved the creation of a 60,000 strong National Guard to improve security in the country to deal with drug gangs, thousands of murders and people smuggling. Personnel have been drawn from existing federal, military and naval police rosters.

Security forces at the border have already detained a migrant caravan of several hundred people and deported them to Guatemala, and frozen bank accounts of alleged smugglers.

Mexico’s Finance Ministry said this week it had blocked the bank accounts of 26 people who had participated "in the trafficking of migrants and the illegal organization of migrant caravans."

The US Department of Homeland Security said on Wednesday that the number of people detained at the border in May had risen to the highest number in a decade: 132,887. Of these, 11,507 were children traveling alone.

So...nothing new after the tariff threat.
All actions in progress without the threat. February.

But again, this is not actually new or larger resources.
There isn't a larger police force than previously, just renamed.

It's not as if the police weren't already turning away some people at the border, or freezing bank accounts of smugglers, etc.
Nope, nothing actually incremental. But they're going to be a little more noisy about it at the moment.

[old salt]

It's a newly organized military national police force, drawn from other police agencies, modeled after Spain's Guardia Civil, Italy's Carabinieri, or France's National Gendarmerie. You have no clue how the police have been deployed, the scope of the effort, or wheter or not this is a significant change. Publicizing this should have a deterrent effect in the Northern Triangle. You might want to wait & see if it makes a difference before dismissing it.

Mexico now shows a sense of urgency & knows there will be consequences if they just go through the motions.
Mexico always says yes, but they rarely say when. Their Foreign Minister scrambled to DC to assure us they'd follow through.

The DHS Secy disagrees with your uninformed snarky analysis, saying it's a newly formed, larger force.
Too bad the NYT & the rest of the MSM didn't bother interviewing the Cabinet Secy in charge, ...or didn't like what he had to say.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/09/homeland- ... nt-is-new/

The acting secretary of Homeland Security on Sunday heralded Mexico’s decision to send thousands of its national guard troops to the Guatemalan border as a new development, disputing a report that said the concession that averted new tariffs had been agreed upon months ago.

“All of it is new,” Kevin McAleenan said on “Fox News Sunday.” “I mean, we’ve heard commitments before from Mexico to do more on their southern border. The last time they deployed down there, it’s about 4 or 500 officers. This is a more than tenfold commitment to increase their security in Chiapas. That’s where people are entering from Guatemala in southern Mexico.”

But the New York Times in an article Saturday said the agreement for the troops had been reached in March during talks between then-Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and Mexico’s Interior Secretary Olga Sanchez.

Fox News host Bret Baier pressed McAleenan after Trump called the newspaper the “enemy of the people” whether the action was new.

“This is the first time we’ve heard anything like this kind of law enforcement being deployed in Mexico to address migrations, not just at the southern border but also in transportation routes to the northern border and coordinated patrols in key areas around our southwest border,” McAleenan said.

Baier noted that Nielsen testified to the House Judiciary Committee in December that there had been existing talks about Mexico deploying the national guard and asked whether this new commitment is different.

“It’s very different,” McAleenan said. “The president put a charge in this whole dialogue with Mexico with the tariff threat, brought them to the table, the foreign minister from Mexico arrived within hours. He arrived the next day with real proposals on the table.”

​Baier also brought up Trump’s suggesting in another tweet that ​there may be more announcements coming of agreements between the US and Mexico.

“Yeah, so the president tweeted out that this tariff has been suspended, that Secretary Mnuchin point it out that there’s a mechanism to make sure that they do what they promise to do, that there’s an actual result, that we see a vast reduction in those numbers,” McAleenan said.

“And as the state department announced, there are going to be further actions, further dialogue with Mexico on immigration, and how to manage this asylum flow in the region, which is a small percentage of the total flow.”

[runrussellrun]

By the way just for your historically illiterate self John Kennedy fought in WW ll. You might have heard about him. Ted Kennedy was born in 1932. He would have been too old for Vietnam.

Who mentioned JFK? Regarding Teddy K, was there a draft for the Korean War? exactly

[Brooklyn]

By the way just for your historically illiterate self John Kennedy fought in WW ll. You might have heard about him. Ted Kennedy was born in 1932. He would have been too old for Vietnam.

Who mentioned JFK? Regarding Teddy K, was there a draft for the Korean War? exactly

Ted K was in the military in the early 1950s but did not go to Korea. Defo not a member of the Republican chickenhawks league.

[Brooklyn]

Douche only employs the "best":






Yeah, right.

[Brooklyn]

Ranked # 1 on the chickenhawks list:

[DMac]

Could improve that hat with 4F in the ribbons and CHICKENS**T DIVISION under DRAFT DODGER.

[OCanada]

Queen Elizabeth ll didn’t more time in the armed forces than the entire Trump family and their in-laws combined.

I forget where I found this gem

[a fan]

Comments? Hi Tech smart bomb parts to the country where all the 9/11 terrorists hailed from.....


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/07/us/s ... 8Fl7fZl9LI

[old salt]

Comments? Hi Tech smart bomb parts to the country where all the 9/11 terrorists hailed from.....


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/07/us/s ... 8Fl7fZl9LI

How bout quoting an excerpt for NYT non-subscribers.

Are those the add on kits, which convert existing dumb bombs to GPS or laser guided precision munitions ?
If so, they provide enhanced accuracy, allowing smaller bombs, resulting in less collateral damage.
They require compatible equipment in the strike aircraft which deliver them (Saudi F-15's, in this case).

Do you prefer the Russian style of targeting on display in Syria ?
That's what you'll get in Yemen if the Saudis have only dumb bombs.

Was any Saudi military equipment or technology used on 9-11 ?
The terrorists purchased their flight training in the USA.

[tech37]

Was any Saudi military equipment or technology used on 9-11 ?

box cutters

[a fan]

[How bout quoting an excerpt for NYT non-subscribers.

(snip)The move grants Raytheon and the Saudis sweeping permission to begin assembling the control systems, guidance electronics and circuit cards that are essential to the company’s Paveway smart bombs. The United States has closely guarded such technology for national security reasons.
(snip)

(snip)The new arrangement is part of a larger arms package, previously blocked by Congress, that includes 120,000 precision-guided bombs that Raytheon is prepared to ship to the coalition. These will add to the tens of thousands of bombs that Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have already stockpiled, and some in Congress fear the surplus would let the countries continue fighting in Yemen long into the future. The move also includes support for Saudi F-15 warplanes, mortars, anti-tank missiles and .50-caliber rifles.

Are those the add on kits, which convert existing dumb bombs to GPS or laser guided precision munitions ?
If so, they provide enhanced accuracy, allowing smaller bombs, resulting in less collateral damage.
They require compatible equipment in the strike aircraft which deliver them (Saudi F-15's, in this case). (snip)

(snip)A group of senators that includes Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican, Rand Paul, the Kentucky Republican, and Robert Menendez, the New Jersey Democrat, announced on Wednesday that they would introduce 22 separate measures expressing disapproval of the deals.(snip)

Do you prefer the Russian style of targeting on display in Syria ?

I'd prefer we not be involved at all, and that the fighting stop.

That's what you'll get in Yemen if the Saudis have only dumb bombs.

You're assuming they'll use the new weapons in the most benign way possible. Also assuming that we're "arming the right guys", when that brilliant idea, to put it mildly, has NOT worked out well for us in this region.

Was any Saudi military equipment or technology used on 9-11 ?

Nope. Do you think it's a full on coincidence that all involved were Saudis? And that that threat is gone forever?

Are you going to comment on this transaction? Sounds to me like you're green lighting the move. But I don't want to be accused of building straw men.