Orange Duce

[Typical Lax Dad]

Don't know if this is true or not but would be interesting to know if the 650MM came from FEMA. If true, might shut up some people on this board just a little... naaaah.

https://x.com/mirandadevine/status/1842509463405707713

Of course, you said NADA when Orange Fatso transferred $$$$$ from FEMA during his administration for immigration-related costs. They stiffed both NC (Hurricane Matthew)- and Puerto Rico (Hurricane Maria)

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019 ... cement-wh/

Not to mention that this one has been debunked already

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna173955

https://www.newsweek.com/fema-response- ... ts-1963702

But what about Trump!

Debunked?... by NBC and Newsweek? No bias there. You believe Mayorkas and his people... sorry, I don't.

If you're so informed, prove the 650MM didn't come from FEMA. I'll be sure to thank you for getting to the bottom of it.

It's a free country - you can believe whatever you want but that doesn't make it true.
Now look in the mirror kismet and realize that's exactly what I just said to you.

You won't believe Mayorkas but you bought all the BS Chad Wolf fed you for YEARS?
Who's Chad Wolf?... just some baseless distraction from you?

Chad Wolf was Mayorkas' predecessor - he was only temporary because the administration failed to get him confirmed into the job.
In fact, he was out of the country on January 6.

We can agree to disagree AGAIN I suppose.

Tech, YA, C&S, Old Salt and Petey, and people like them, rely on alternatives to facts.

[tech37]

Don't know if this is true or not but would be interesting to know if the 650MM came from FEMA. If true, might shut up some people on this board just a little... naaaah.

https://x.com/mirandadevine/status/1842509463405707713

Of course, you said NADA when Orange Fatso transferred $$$$$ from FEMA during his administration for immigration-related costs. They stiffed both NC (Hurricane Matthew)- and Puerto Rico (Hurricane Maria)

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019 ... cement-wh/

Not to mention that this one has been debunked already

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna173955

https://www.newsweek.com/fema-response- ... ts-1963702

But what about Trump!

Debunked?... by NBC and Newsweek? No bias there. You believe Mayorkas and his people... sorry, I don't.

If you're so informed, prove the 650MM didn't come from FEMA. I'll be sure to thank you for getting to the bottom of it.

It's a free country - you can believe whatever you want but that doesn't make it true.
Now look in the mirror kismet and realize that's exactly what I just said to you.

You won't believe Mayorkas but you bought all the BS Chad Wolf fed you for YEARS?
Who's Chad Wolf?... just some baseless distraction from you?

Chad Wolf was Mayorkas' predecessor - he was only temporary because the administration failed to get him confirmed into the job.
In fact, he was out of the country on January 6.

We can agree to disagree AGAIN I suppose.

True that. I am skeptical of EVERYTHING in this day and age. Don't understand you and others on here wrapped in smug certainty. Oh well.

[Kismet]

Don't know if this is true or not but would be interesting to know if the 650MM came from FEMA. If true, might shut up some people on this board just a little... naaaah.

https://x.com/mirandadevine/status/1842509463405707713

Of course, you said NADA when Orange Fatso transferred $$$$$ from FEMA during his administration for immigration-related costs. They stiffed both NC (Hurricane Matthew)- and Puerto Rico (Hurricane Maria)

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019 ... cement-wh/

Not to mention that this one has been debunked already

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna173955

https://www.newsweek.com/fema-response- ... ts-1963702

But what about Trump!

Debunked?... by NBC and Newsweek? No bias there. You believe Mayorkas and his people... sorry, I don't.

If you're so informed, prove the 650MM didn't come from FEMA. I'll be sure to thank you for getting to the bottom of it.

It's a free country - you can believe whatever you want but that doesn't make it true.
Now look in the mirror kismet and realize that's exactly what I just said to you.

You won't believe Mayorkas but you bought all the BS Chad Wolf fed you for YEARS?
Who's Chad Wolf?... just some baseless distraction from you?

Chad Wolf was Mayorkas' predecessor - he was only temporary because the administration failed to get him confirmed into the job.
In fact, he was out of the country on January 6.

We can agree to disagree AGAIN I suppose.

True that. I am skeptical of EVERYTHING in this day and age. Don't understand you and others on here wrapped in smug certainty. Oh well.

You are certainly entitled to be skeptical for whatever you wish to be skeptical about. It's your choice but it doesn't apply to others.
You could have left it at certainty but dropped the SMUG in there - which perhaps makes you just a different shade than me. No better no worse.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Don't know if this is true or not but would be interesting to know if the 650MM came from FEMA. If true, might shut up some people on this board just a little... naaaah.

https://x.com/mirandadevine/status/1842509463405707713

Of course, you said NADA when Orange Fatso transferred $$$$$ from FEMA during his administration for immigration-related costs. They stiffed both NC (Hurricane Matthew)- and Puerto Rico (Hurricane Maria)

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019 ... cement-wh/

Not to mention that this one has been debunked already

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna173955

https://www.newsweek.com/fema-response- ... ts-1963702

But what about Trump!

Debunked?... by NBC and Newsweek? No bias there. You believe Mayorkas and his people... sorry, I don't.

If you're so informed, prove the 650MM didn't come from FEMA. I'll be sure to thank you for getting to the bottom of it.

It's a free country - you can believe whatever you want but that doesn't make it true.
Now look in the mirror kismet and realize that's exactly what I just said to you.

You won't believe Mayorkas but you bought all the BS Chad Wolf fed you for YEARS?
Who's Chad Wolf?... just some baseless distraction from you?

Chad Wolf was Mayorkas' predecessor - he was only temporary because the administration failed to get him confirmed into the job.
In fact, he was out of the country on January 6.

We can agree to disagree AGAIN I suppose.

True that. I am skeptical of EVERYTHING in this day and age. Don't understand you and others on here wrapped in smug certainty. Oh well.

It ain’t certain you will be alive next week. Why save or invest…. You definitely don’t need any insurance coverage.

[OCanada]

Don't know if this is true or not but would be interesting to know if the 650MM came from FEMA. If true, might shut up some people on this board just a little... naaaah.

https://x.com/mirandadevine/status/1842509463405707713

Of course, you said NADA when Orange Fatso transferred $$$$$ from FEMA during his administration for immigration-related costs. They stiffed both NC (Hurricane Matthew)- and Puerto Rico (Hurricane Maria)

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019 ... cement-wh/

Not to mention that this one has been debunked already

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna173955

https://www.newsweek.com/fema-response- ... ts-1963702

But what about Trump!

Debunked?... by NBC and Newsweek? No bias there. You believe Mayorkas and his people... sorry, I don't.

If you're so informed, prove the 650MM didn't come from FEMA. I'll be sure to thank you for getting to the bottom of it.

It's a free country - you can believe whatever you want but that doesn't make it true.
Now look in the mirror kismet and realize that's exactly what I just said to you.

You won't believe Mayorkas but you bought all the BS Chad Wolf fed you for YEARS?
Who's Chad Wolf?... just some baseless distraction from you?

Chad Wolf was Mayorkas' predecessor - he was only temporary because the administration failed to get him confirmed into the job.
In fact, he was out of the country on January 6.

We can agree to disagree AGAIN I suppose.

True that. I am skeptical of EVERYTHING in this day and age. Don't understand you and others on here wrapped in smug certainty. Oh well.

It ain’t certain you will be alive next week. Why save or invest…. You definitely don’t need any insurance coverage.

Very easilu understood once you accept that mostly truth and fact underlie. Not so with Trump and Vance who are compulsive liars

[Typical Lax Dad]

Don't know if this is true or not but would be interesting to know if the 650MM came from FEMA. If true, might shut up some people on this board just a little... naaaah.

https://x.com/mirandadevine/status/1842509463405707713

Of course, you said NADA when Orange Fatso transferred $$$$$ from FEMA during his administration for immigration-related costs. They stiffed both NC (Hurricane Matthew)- and Puerto Rico (Hurricane Maria)

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019 ... cement-wh/

Not to mention that this one has been debunked already

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna173955

https://www.newsweek.com/fema-response- ... ts-1963702

But what about Trump!

Debunked?... by NBC and Newsweek? No bias there. You believe Mayorkas and his people... sorry, I don't.

If you're so informed, prove the 650MM didn't come from FEMA. I'll be sure to thank you for getting to the bottom of it.

It's a free country - you can believe whatever you want but that doesn't make it true.
Now look in the mirror kismet and realize that's exactly what I just said to you.

You won't believe Mayorkas but you bought all the BS Chad Wolf fed you for YEARS?
Who's Chad Wolf?... just some baseless distraction from you?

Chad Wolf was Mayorkas' predecessor - he was only temporary because the administration failed to get him confirmed into the job.
In fact, he was out of the country on January 6.

We can agree to disagree AGAIN I suppose.

True that. I am skeptical of EVERYTHING in this day and age. Don't understand you and others on here wrapped in smug certainty. Oh well.

It ain’t certain you will be alive next week. Why save or invest…. You definitely don’t need any insurance coverage.

Very easilu understood once you accept that mostly truth and fact underlie. Not so with Trump and Vance who are compulsive liars

Tech may believe that the government is giving illegal immigrants homes in Victor and Skaneateles along with cottages on Brant Lake and Lake George. Forcing folks out of their homes and giving them to illegals because they will vote Democrat

[Brooklyn]

every time orange douchebag opens his mouth he spews crap:


https://packaged-media.redd.it/vmag7bwh ... 9c3a0eb755



Biden was said to be "too old" at age 78. If so, then the same standard for tRump:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https% ... 583b014b9d

[OCanada]

This is the Smith Indictment annotated and with the names inserted.it was prepared by Just Security.

. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... dium=email

[3rdPersonPlural]

I been thinkin'

Trump is 6 to 18 months from becoming undeniably demented. Medically.

My mom descended into the ugly, blanked out part of that disease and several friends are slipping that way. Most of the folks on this board probably have some experience in this tragedy.

My mom was in a facility near my sister's home for 3 years and Sis became friends with several of the Docs and Nurses there. These are people who live and breathe Dementia in all of it's variations. According to Sis, they all recognize the signs in Trump. Some think that he should be sent to a place like my sainted Mom went to RIGHT NOW but even the 18 month people feel that he won't endure a 4 year contract to be President.

So we all need to think about a Vance Presidency.

Vance was a curious choice for Trump because of his prior 'Never Trump' position, but he comes in endorsed by Super-wealthy Silicon Valley Venture Capital bro's with (probably) a generous sluice of cash for Trump's personal account.

Vance contributed to the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 and, IMHO, is it's figurehead. He is more nuanced than Trump, and less inclined to think ONLY about what is best for him. He is a slicker Politician. He is less Chaotic. But read the 900+ page Project 2025 Intro and ask yourself if you want to vote Trump only to find out that 6 to 18 months later he's retired and the Heritage Figurehead (supported by 6 Heritage Justices in SCOTUS) is now in charge.

Think about that for as long as you need.

[a fan]

Don't know if this is true or not but would be interesting to know if the 650MM came from FEMA. If true, might shut up some people on this board just a little... naaaah.

https://x.com/mirandadevine/status/1842509463405707713

Of course, you said NADA when Orange Fatso transferred $$$$$ from FEMA during his administration for immigration-related costs. They stiffed both NC (Hurricane Matthew)- and Puerto Rico (Hurricane Maria)

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019 ... cement-wh/

Not to mention that this one has been debunked already

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna173955

https://www.newsweek.com/fema-response- ... ts-1963702

But what about Trump!

Debunked?... by NBC and Newsweek? No bias there. You believe Mayorkas and his people... sorry, I don't.

If you're so informed, prove the 650MM didn't come from FEMA. I'll be sure to thank you for getting to the bottom of it.

It's a free country - you can believe whatever you want but that doesn't make it true.
Now look in the mirror kismet and realize that's exactly what I just said to you.

You won't believe Mayorkas but you bought all the BS Chad Wolf fed you for YEARS?
Who's Chad Wolf?... just some baseless distraction from you?

Chad Wolf was Mayorkas' predecessor - he was only temporary because the administration failed to get him confirmed into the job.
In fact, he was out of the country on January 6.

We can agree to disagree AGAIN I suppose.

True that. I am skeptical of EVERYTHING in this day and age. Don't understand you and others on here wrapped in smug certainty. Oh well.

It ain’t certain you will be alive next week. Why save or invest…. You definitely don’t need any insurance coverage.

Very easilu understood once you accept that mostly truth and fact underlie. Not so with Trump and Vance who are compulsive liars

Tech may believe that the government is giving illegal immigrants homes in Victor and Skaneateles along with cottages on Brant Lake and Lake George. Forcing folks out of their homes and giving them to illegals because they will vote Democrat

Kismet, what's wrong with you? Don't you understand it's on YOU to disprove made-up stuff written by "some guy on the internet"??

While you're at it, I read from "some guy on the internet" that Jewish space lasers caused the flooding, and it's on YOU, Kismet, to prove me wrong. Get on it.

America is in a GREAT place, don't you think?? Wouldn't change a thing. Well, other than cutting spending on education even more because, hey, look at these GREAT outcomes we're getting in public discourse!

[Brooklyn]

North Carolina’s second-largest newspaper condemns Trump for ‘ridiculous’ Helene response ‘falsehoods’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no ... fa9d&ei=16


Donald Trump is now facing condemnation from the editorial board of North Carolina’s second-largest newspaper as he continues to take criticism for politicizing the response to Hurricane Helene across the US southeast.

Trump was in Georgia last week to survey hurricane damage alongside the state’s governor, Brian Kemp — a one-time foe who has returned to the Trumpworld fold, like many Republicans, seeking political cover.

On Monday, he attacked Vice President Kamala Harris and the Biden administration in a Truth Social post for supposedly “going out of their way to not help people in Republican areas”, a false charge. A Republican lawmaker representing three counties in hard-hit western North Carolina — which is largely rural, and politically trends conservative — has called it a “junk” conspiracy.

He’d go further in an interview with Kellyanne Conway, one of his most ardent truth-twisters on cable TV before she was largely exiled from the networks, accusing Harris of trying to “hurt” western North Carolina residents.

On Saturday, Trump’s claims provoked a response from one of the state’s most widely-read newspapers, the Charlotte Observer. The Observer’s editorial board slammed the ex-president for his lies about the federal response to Helene, which is believed to have killed more than 100 across the state.

“This is not a situation to capitalize on for political gain. But former President Donald Trump has politicized the situation at every turn, spreading falsehoods and conspiracies that fracture the community instead of bringing it together,” read the newspaper’s editorial.

“There’s no evidence to support any of those ridiculous claims. And by every indication, state and federal agencies have been working to help people in need,” it continued.

Adding that the hurricane-ravaged areas of the state were not a “political football” for the Trump campaign, the Observer also swiped at the state’s Trump-endorsed lieutenant governor, Mark Robinson, for spreading the conspiracies. Robinson’s reasoning for doing so is clear: he’s at the center of the complete implosion of his campaign over a shocking CNN investigation which found that a screen name and email address linked to the sitting lieutenant governor was linked to a wide array of disgusting and vile comments on a porn site.

Harris herself was in the state on Saturday and visited Asheville — a city hit by substantial flooding during the storm.

“We're here for the long haul,” she told a volunteer leader.

Robinson also received special mention in the piece for his failure to show up for a key vote to declare a state of emergency, part of his role as lieutenant governor, while he continued to campaign for the governorship. The vote still passed without his participation.

Hundreds are believed dead after Helene caused massive flooding and triggered landslides that wiped out bridges and homes. It’s now the second-deadliest hurricane to strike the US in more than a half-century.

Federal aid approved for Helene survivors has already passed $45m, and that number may continue to rise. FEMA’s website indicates that the disaster relief agency has already distributed more than 1.5m meals and more than 12.6m liters of drinking water as part of aid efforts.

The agency has even been forced to put out a separate webpage to counter misinformation and conspiracies surrounding Hurricane Helene relief, including charges from right-wing social media accounts claiming that aid is being distributed on the basis of ethnicity.



Sadly, many right wing lame brains believe the garbage spewed by hater tRump. No matter how much proof you present to the contrary, they still believe his hate filled treasonous lies.

[Seacoaster(1)]

The shape of things to come, if YA and Old Salt have their way?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... taliation/

"Republicans backing Donald Trump are threatening Deloitte, a consulting firm that is one of the federal government’s largest business partners, with the loss of billions of dollars in contracts because an employee shared messages from 2020 in which GOP vice-presidential nominee JD Vance criticized the former president’s record.

On Sept. 27, Donald Trump Jr. exposed the employee’s name and photograph to millions of people on social media, writing, “Maybe it’s time for the GOP to end Deloitte’s taxpayer funded gravy train?” Others — including Vance’s chief spokesman and a Republican senator — circulated Trump Jr.'s comments, and the conservative website Breitbart published a story naming the man and highlighting his job.

Deloitte receives about $3 billion annually from federal agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services and Department of Defense.

Ethics experts said the episode is a potentially ominous preview of how a second Trump administration might use the enormous power the federal government wields over private industry to punish political acts by individual workers. Although federal contracting laws prohibit cutting off a business because of its workers’ private political views, such threats could have a chilling effect, they said.

“I’ve never seen anything like this,” said Kedric Payne, senior director of ethics at the nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center and former deputy chief counsel in the Office of Congressional Ethics, adding that the goal was probably to pressure Deloitte into firing the worker. “You can’t imagine that if one employee out of thousands made a statement that offended an official, that then the government contracts would be in jeopardy.”

On Sept. 27, The Washington Post published a report about direct messages Vance sent during the final year of Trump’s presidency to an acquaintance over the social media platform then called Twitter. Among other remarks, Vance said in the messages that Trump had “thoroughly failed to deliver” on his economic agenda in the White House, and predicted he would probably lose the election to Joe Biden.

The Post agreed before publication that it would not name the messages’ recipient, Kevin Gallagher, because he was concerned about possible retaliation. However, Gallagher said The Post could identify him later if he experienced reprisals from Trump, Vance or their allies. The Post is naming Gallagher in keeping with that agreement. Gallagher declined to comment for this report.

The episode is the latest bout of public threats from Trump’s MAGA movement. The former president has threatened to use the Justice Department to jail his opponents, among other things, if he wins a second term. Many Trump supporters on social media have urged that Gallagher be fired.

Deloitte declined to address questions about how it has handled the situation and whether Gallagher has been subject to any internal discipline.

“This individual shared private personal messages on his own volition without the knowledge of Deloitte, which is a non-partisan firm,” the company said in a statement. “Deloitte is deeply committed to supporting our government and commercial clients and we have a long track record of doing so across parties and administrations.”

Deloitte has a political action committee that in recent elections has distributed its spending across candidates in both parties. So far in the 2024 cycle it has given approximately $1.3 million to Republicans and $1.2 million to Democrats, the company said.

Vance spokesman William Martin, who recirculated on his own X account Trump Jr.’s post targeting Deloitte, said in a statement that Vance has not called for the company to lose its federal contracts and “has no opinion on the issue.” He also said that neither Vance nor Trump Jr. has explicitly called for Gallagher to be fired.

“The moment Kevin Gallagher chose to leak his private communications to The Washington Post, he went from a private citizen to a willing participant in the political arena,” Martin said. “When he made that decision, he dragged Deloitte Consulting into the political arena with him.”

Trump Jr., through a spokesman, responded to questions for this report with a written statement calling a Post reporter a “scumbag” and asserting that there was nothing inappropriate about the social media posts targeting Deloitte’s contracts.

“Kevin Gallagher had a right to leak the communications, Washington Post had a right to print them and as a private citizen I have a right to speak my mind about where my tax dollars go,” Trump Jr. said in the statement.

The episode is the latest example of the ways in which Vance’s prolific digital correspondence in the years before he became a politician has come back to haunt him.

Vance initiated his conversation with Gallagher through a direct message on Twitter in October 2019, praising an essay Gallagher had written the previous year about the interplay between Catholicism and politics, according to the correspondence Gallagher previously shared with The Post. Vance, who had become a public figure and commentator after the publication of his best-selling memoir, was working at the time as a venture capitalist based in Cincinnati and had recently joined the Catholic Church. He wrote that Gallagher’s piece “was really helpful to me as I thought about my own conversion.”

Over the following 11 months, the pair corresponded intermittently, mostly about politics and current events. In one early exchange, Vance asked Gallagher what he did for a living; Gallagher replied that he was a consultant who worked with investment managers. Otherwise Gallagher did not discuss his professional life in the messages, and at no point in the exchanges that were shared with The Post did he identify Deloitte as his employer or discuss his clients.

Vance offered several opinions, notably about Trump, that contradicted the public stances he would adopt as a politician. In February 2020, Vance wrote that “Trump has just so thoroughly failed to deliver on his economic populism (excepting a disjointed China policy).” Trump’s wealthy donors, he added, would probably remain loyal to him because he had served their interests in the White House.

Vance has acknowledged criticizing Trump in 2016 but said he changed his mind after seeing Trump’s performance in office. But the messages show Vance still disparaging Trump’s record near the end of his first term.

In June 2020, a few months before ballots were cast in an election that Vance later claimed was stolen by Democrats, he predicted Trump would probably lose to Biden. Vance also suggested in the messages that he had been offered and had turned down a position in the Trump administration; criticized Republicans for underestimating the harm caused by the coronavirus; and expressed openness to Medicare-for-all, the government-run universal health insurance proposal popular among progressive Democrats.

Vance’s campaign has said his statement that Trump had “thoroughly failed” was intended as a critique of “establishment Republicans who thwarted much of Trump’s populist economic agenda.” The campaign did not respond to questions about his prediction that Trump would lose or his claim to have been offered a job. A Vance spokesman said that the senator’s view on the coronavirus changed after 2020 and that Vance now thinks Medicare-for-all “would make health care worse for Americans.”

Despite their shared Catholic faith and intellectual interests, Vance often disagreed on political questions with Gallagher, who in his own messages criticized Trump and expressed support for some causes of the left. Vance nevertheless messaged Gallagher that he saw him as “an ally” because of their mutual interest in improving conditions for workers and curbing the influence of rich corporations.

“You’re playing a strategic game,” Vance wrote in February 2020, “the same as me.”

A Post reporter made contact with Gallagher in late August this year while reporting on Vance’s connections among conservative Catholic political theorists. Gallagher brought up the correspondence with Vance and later agreed to share it on the condition he not be identified as its source in The Post’s report.

Before publication, The Post sought comment from the Vance campaign, sharing the contents of the messages it planned to publish but withholding the name of the recipient and other identifying details. Martin, the campaign spokesman, wrote in an email to a reporter that Vance had identified Gallagher as the source of the correspondence. (After the article was published, Martin said his email had been intended as a warning that “Kevin was going to be publicly outed.”)

The Post did not confirm Gallagher’s identity to Martin but did inform Gallagher that Vance had identified him and that his name could become public. Gallagher said he understood that risk.

After the article was published, Breitbart posted an article naming Gallagher and stating that his “actions could have potentially very serious consequences for Deloitte in the future should Trump and Vance win the election — or even if the Democrats win.” It also quoted Vance’s campaign and referred to emails the campaign had sent to The Post.

Soon afterward Trump Jr. shared the Breitbart article on X, writing, “Why is an executive @DeloitteUS conspiring with the Washington Post to help Kamala Harris?”

In a follow-up post, Trump Jr. shared screenshots of a website displaying the total value of Deloitte’s current U.S. government contracts and of Gallagher’s bio page, including his photo, from the firm’s website. He tagged House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.).

Trump Jr.’s comments were viewed by 2 million and reposted 13,000 times. Some on the platform said they would stop doing business with Deloitte and called on the company to fire Gallagher.

“Kevin Gallagher FAFO!” senior Trump adviser Jason Miller wrote five minutes later, using an acronym for “f--- around and find out.”

Two days later Trump Jr. again posted the Breitbart article, writing, “We’re not forgetting this.” Sen. Eric Schmitt (R-Mo.) shared that post, writing, “This is outrageous,” and saying Deloitte “should immediately and publicly respond to this scandal.”

Spokespeople for Johnson and Schmitt did not respond to requests for comment.

During the vice-presidential debate Tuesday night, Vance was asked about The Post’s report. He said the messages didn’t capture his more nuanced view of Trump at the time but made no reference to Gallagher, Deloitte or the pressure being applied to them.

Deloitte probably would have a strong legal case against efforts to revoke its federal contracts because of Gallagher’s action, said Jessica Tillipman, associate dean for government procurement law studies at the George Washington University Law School. Under government procurement rules, only certain kinds of misconduct — such as fraud or tax evasion — can lead to a firm being barred from federal contracts, she said.

“This is not the Trump Organization deciding not to do business with someone,” Tillipman said. “There are rules in place that are designed to ensure the integrity and fairness of the federal marketplace.”

Vance’s messages with Gallagher ended in the run-up to the 2020 election. In one of their final exchanges — the same one in which Vance predicted Trump was on the verge of losing to Biden — he lamented that he had not persuaded Gallagher to take a more favorable view of conservative intellectuals who were bucking what Vance described as the Republican Party’s libertarian-leaning economic orthodoxy. Earlier in their conversation, Vance had said he and others who challenged those views faced intense pushback.

“I continue to think you should be more charitable,” Vance wrote, “to people whose views actually cost them something.”

[tech37]

Don't know if this is true or not but would be interesting to know if the 650MM came from FEMA. If true, might shut up some people on this board just a little... naaaah.

https://x.com/mirandadevine/status/1842509463405707713

Of course, you said NADA when Orange Fatso transferred $$$$$ from FEMA during his administration for immigration-related costs. They stiffed both NC (Hurricane Matthew)- and Puerto Rico (Hurricane Maria)

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019 ... cement-wh/

Not to mention that this one has been debunked already

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna173955

https://www.newsweek.com/fema-response- ... ts-1963702

But what about Trump!

Debunked?... by NBC and Newsweek? No bias there. You believe Mayorkas and his people... sorry, I don't.

If you're so informed, prove the 650MM didn't come from FEMA. I'll be sure to thank you for getting to the bottom of it.

It's a free country - you can believe whatever you want but that doesn't make it true.
Now look in the mirror kismet and realize that's exactly what I just said to you.

You won't believe Mayorkas but you bought all the BS Chad Wolf fed you for YEARS?
Who's Chad Wolf?... just some baseless distraction from you?

Chad Wolf was Mayorkas' predecessor - he was only temporary because the administration failed to get him confirmed into the job.
In fact, he was out of the country on January 6.

We can agree to disagree AGAIN I suppose.

True that. I am skeptical of EVERYTHING in this day and age. Don't understand you and others on here wrapped in smug certainty. Oh well.

It ain’t certain you will be alive next week. Why save or invest…. You definitely don’t need any insurance coverage.

Very easilu understood once you accept that mostly truth and fact underlie. Not so with Trump and Vance who are compulsive liars

Who's lying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gWjOefHf_k

[Brooklyn]

tRump declares world will come to an end if people will not believe his every word:





https://www.bing.com/search?q=Track+Dow ... cc=0&ghpl=

[OCanada]

Trump Tower will lokely be lost if he loses. It is valued $2 million less than his mortgage balance. https://www.rawstory.com/trump-40-wall-street/

His PA rally may have scammed his supporters. Chip in $5 for a chance to be on stage as a VIP guest. Only problem was there were none. Scamming your supporters is a novel approach

[a fan]

Who's lying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gWjOefHf_k

You're the supposed skeptic. Are you REALLY skeptical of an edited 23 second clip? Or are you buying what Trump is selling you without hesitation. Again. For like the 1,000th time.

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Let's see if you can figure out who's lying here......

FoxHeadline: Mayorkas says FEMA has no more disaster funds, but IG report says agency is sitting on billions
Homeland Security Inspector General says agency has billions in untapped funds for storm relief


Let's see if you're REALLY skeptical, and see how long it takes you to figure out the problem with the headline above......




https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ma ... g-billions

[Typical Lax Dad]

Who's lying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gWjOefHf_k

You're the supposed skeptic. Are you REALLY skeptical of what an edited 23 second clip? Or are you buying what Trump is selling you without hesitation. Again. For like the 1,000th time.

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Let's see if you can figure out who's lying here......

FoxHeadline: Mayorkas says FEMA has no more disaster funds, but IG report says agency is sitting on billions
Homeland Security Inspector General says agency has billions in untapped funds for storm relief


Let's see if you're REALLY skeptical, and see how long it takes you to figure out the problem with the headline above......




https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ma ... g-billions

It is there in black and white…Mayokas said “we don’t have the funds”…full stop. That’s how Old Salt, YA, C&S, Petey, Tech and people like them role. Yep he said those exact words.

[3rdPersonPlural]

I been thinkin'

Trump is 6 to 18 months from becoming undeniably demented. Medically.

My mom descended into the ugly, blanked out part of that disease and several friends are slipping that way. Most of the folks on this board probably have some experience in this tragedy.

My mom was in a facility near my sister's home for 3 years and Sis became friends with several of the Docs and Nurses there. These are people who live and breathe Dementia in all of it's variations. According to Sis, they all recognize the signs in Trump. Some think that he should be sent to a place like my sainted Mom went to RIGHT NOW but even the 18 month people feel that he won't endure a 4 year contract to be President.

So we all need to think about a Vance Presidency.

Vance was a curious choice for Trump because of his prior 'Never Trump' position, but he comes in endorsed by Super-wealthy Silicon Valley Venture Capital bro's with (probably) a generous sluice of cash for Trump's personal account.

Vance contributed to the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 and, IMHO, is it's figurehead. He is more nuanced than Trump, and less inclined to think ONLY about what is best for him. He is a slicker Politician. He is less Chaotic. But read the 900+ page Project 2025 Intro and ask yourself if you want to vote Trump only to find out that 6 to 18 months later he's retired and the Heritage Figurehead (supported by 6 Heritage Justices in SCOTUS) is now in charge.

Think about that for as long as you need.

Here's an article from an Old School Republican (like me) who thinks that Vance could be a harbinger of a less batspit crazy Republican Party that fits better into a proper liberal democracy.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-149812689

I sure hope he's right and I'm wrong....

[Seacoaster(1)]

Interesting article, for sure; thanks for posting it.

I think you're right, and Andy is wrong. Vance will inherit a movement that is more than satisfied -- indeed, spurred on by -- the rhetoric and dissembling that characterizes Trump, to wit:

"This is Nazi rhetoric. It is Trump’s alone. There is nothing he will not say. All those who are finding reasons to support his candidacy need to admit they are backing a uniquely indecent figure in American history. And decency matters."

Except I don't think it is or will be "Trump's alone." Thirty-five, 40, 60 million (?) of our fellow citizens believe that this is appropriate language to describe the "other" that Trump almost drunkenly describes as the enemy and the vermin against which they are fighting; and this, of course, includes completely rank and file center-left Democrats like me.

Sullivan quotes Vance from the debate with Walz:

"It’s really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country."

Sullivan's response:

"That takes some balls, doesn’t it? Vance then suggested that government censorship of social media was as big a threat to democracy as … trying to overturn the results of an election by fraud and violence. The argument — a reprise of his flailing in an interview with Ross — is contemptible whataboutism."

Vance must cater to the movement; he doesn't have the character or capacity to change the movement in a materially positive (and by that I mean, less lying, less victimization, less grievance-based) way. He is a surfer, navigating the loathsome curl of MAGA's waves, not a change-agent for that group. Vance will, as Andy says, matter, either as one of the politicians who try to pick the movement up when Trump thankfully dies, or as President trying to be reelected after Trump dies or his dementia becomes too pronounced even for the cult. What Vance will not do, I am confident in saying, is try to materially change the Weltanschauung of MAGA.

[a fan]

I been thinkin'

Trump is 6 to 18 months from becoming undeniably demented. Medically.

My mom descended into the ugly, blanked out part of that disease and several friends are slipping that way. Most of the folks on this board probably have some experience in this tragedy.

My mom was in a facility near my sister's home for 3 years and Sis became friends with several of the Docs and Nurses there. These are people who live and breathe Dementia in all of it's variations. According to Sis, they all recognize the signs in Trump. Some think that he should be sent to a place like my sainted Mom went to RIGHT NOW but even the 18 month people feel that he won't endure a 4 year contract to be President.

So we all need to think about a Vance Presidency.

Vance was a curious choice for Trump because of his prior 'Never Trump' position, but he comes in endorsed by Super-wealthy Silicon Valley Venture Capital bro's with (probably) a generous sluice of cash for Trump's personal account.

Vance contributed to the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 and, IMHO, is it's figurehead. He is more nuanced than Trump, and less inclined to think ONLY about what is best for him. He is a slicker Politician. He is less Chaotic. But read the 900+ page Project 2025 Intro and ask yourself if you want to vote Trump only to find out that 6 to 18 months later he's retired and the Heritage Figurehead (supported by 6 Heritage Justices in SCOTUS) is now in charge.

Think about that for as long as you need.

Here's an article from an Old School Republican (like me) who thinks that Vance could be a harbinger of a less batspit crazy Republican Party that fits better into a proper liberal democracy.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-149812689

I sure hope he's right and I'm wrong....

As a poster that's plainly to the right of the TrumpApologists here on any number of issues? We were told Trumpism would go away when Trump lost the last election. Not only didn't that happen...things are WORSE now with TinFoilHat nonsense over the last 9 years since Trumpy first showed up.

FFS, look how these brilliant Americans are handling the hurricane. EVERYTHING is a conspiracy now. The Republican party is gone. Bye bye. And we're DECADES before it will be fixed.

And buckle up, because the minute Trump dies? We'll be FLOODED with conspiracies about how he was killed, and that it's impossible for a man of Trump's age to die.