I don’t know why you asked if you already knew what deal 72 was referring to.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:49 amThanks....but I knew about this, It was NOT just the US in this deal, not to mention longstanding Iran Deals dating back half of centuries, and it was noted in your Wiki link, the 'Deal" was barely cobbled together in the first place; see below from your cite.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:40 amSigh. Read youth’s question. 72 was referring to the deal struck in 2015. Read the link.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:31 amOhhh, it was a United Nations concoction? The Iranian leadership sure is grateful to have tool bags like you and doc 72 carrying their water for them. Common sense would have been the US government tying up any payments to Iran in the court system for decades. The Iranian leadership provided the IEDs that killed and maimed many US service members in Iraq and Afghanistan. That 16 billion dollars should have allocated to the VA medical facilities where it could have been put to good use. I'm sure your consistent enough to not like that suggestion either.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:13 amI’m going to assume you aren’t gaslighting.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:50 pmI am confused, Biden lifted sanctions and returned their 16 Billion. What treaty are you referencing?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:55 pmThey want sanctions lifted. We broke the treaty NOT THEM!! We would be in an entirely different and better place if we had stayed the course, making Iranian heros out of the western favoring politicians. Instead, we fu*ked them and they retreated to the old hard liners. The western favoring politicians are back in power for the time being.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:11 pmNormalize beyond lifting sanctions 3 years ago and returning all their 16billion. What more do we need to do?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:39 pm... that's my take. Iran wants relations with the US to normalize. Killing a bunch of innocents isn't going to help that cause. Doing nothing loses face in the neighborhood. Expensive light show, but apparently that's all it was meant to be. US kept it from being more. Which should be understood by Bibi.
2015 deal between Iran and all permanent members UN Security Council and EU. Trump broke it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nucl ... _framework
72 is correct about the implications of that to who was governing Iran. Moderates were pushed out by angry hardliners.
That deal encouraged Iranian moderates who were in ascendence. It was a multilateral deal.
Trump immediately broke it and the hardliners used that to regain power. Fact.
With regard to the 16 billion, this was Never US money. We never had the ability to take it for our own use. To claim otherwise is just ignorant or stupid or gaslighting.
We’ve previously discussed the rationale for the release of Iran’s frozen funds, including the release of Americans in Iranian prisons, and if you want to do so again, ok. But it’s tedious that you can’t recall what has already been discussed.
In addition to the final statement, both the United States and Iran have made public more detailed descriptions of their agreement. Officials of both sides acknowledge that they have different narratives on this draft.[9] The U.S. government has published a fact sheet summarizing the main points of the deal.[11] Shortly after it was published, top Iranian officials, including the Iranian supreme leader and the Iranian minister of defense have disputed the document on key points which remain unresolved.[12][13][14]
On 22 July 2015, Abbas Araghchi, Iran's deputy foreign minister who led the negotiations, made an announcement on state-controlled television that the recently reached nuclear deal with the world powers did not include limitations on Iran's weapons capabilities or missile power and that Tehran would keep arming its regional allies. "We have told them [the P5+1 world powers] in the negotiations that we will supply arms to anyone and anywhere necessary and will import weapons from anywhere we want and we have clarified this during the negotiations," Araghchi said.[15]
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In a speech the following Saturday, Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei added, "Our policy will not change with regards to the arrogant US government."[15]
Further, the Saudi's AND Israeal know full well that Iran is crooked as a 3 dollar bill, and all the deals and treaties ain't gonna stop a crooked country, when all they do is continually had militant proxies flare up all over the ME. To lay this at the US' feet, just seems like an inability to actually see the forest, for the trees.
Yes, the point is this was a multilateral deal in which numerous countries agreed to harness Iran’s development of nuclear weapons, including international inspections, else sanctions again. The deal strengthened the hand of moderates though you’re correct that there was some hardliner posturing in response. But moderates who advocated for the benefits of participation in the world economy were gaining power.
No guarantees that they would continue to be successful in moderating Iran, but that’s what the international community wanted, as did the US.
Trump dashed those hopes and the moderates were ousted as having failed. US can’t be trusted. And they restarted their program to get closer. They never made the decision to cross the line, but they want the option and threat. Huge issue if they ever do decide to go full nuclear weapons.
Of course we should have the same concern about their trustworthiness! Who is in power matters a lot. Just like here.
We want the moderates to succeed. The hardliners are flat nuts.