Military readiness

[a fan]

How & where did we enter the ME mess just after WW II ? Where did we put US forces ashore ?

Are you serious? Propping up a dictator in Iran. Step #1 "arm some guy"

How did Obama look after Putin invaded Ukraine ? You'd prefer that the Russians would have taken Kyiv ?

A. Obama looked REALLY smart. We spend zero resources to do what Obama meant. You're on here whining about money and how we don't have enough weapons.

This is what you do: throw stones at Obama for "doing it wrong"....and then you come on here years later, and whine about the consequences of "Arming some guy"....it's expensive, is plowing through US munitions, and is leading to the unforeseen consequences that Old Salt did want to hear about when he thought it was AWESOME to "arm some guy"

Yet you're on here calling people warmongers and lecturing us about the danger of nuclear war

Dude, Biden is doing what YOU thought was a swell idea. Yell at yourself for nothing thinking for yourself BEFORE we "arm some guy"

B. YES, I told you I'd rather Putin invade Ukraine MULTIPLE TIMES. If Ukraine was SO important? Sign a treaty, and park US troops there. Then Putin can't invade. You didn't want to hear it. And I told you this BEFORE Putin invaded.

Did you listen? F no. So here we are, having blown billions of pointless dollars, and it's only a matter of time before you show up and tell us "US Troops can never leave Ukraine". Tried to tell you this, but you're too stupid and stubborn to listen.

I know this is a challenge for your simple one size fits all mind, but there are significant differences. China has not invaded Taiwan yet.

You're an idiot. What part of: in Taiwan we're at "Step #1 Arm some guy" right now. How many more times do I have to explain this to you.

Arming Taiwan is the first step toward war. I told you this with Ukraine, and you didn't want to hear it. And after telling you this directly..... where are we in Ukraine, you moron? Oh, that's right, we're in another proxy war for the 3,432nd time.

We won't have troops in Ukraine if Trump wins. I can't guarantee that if Harris wins.

That's a four year window, you idiot.

You're moving the goal posts. You know I was referring to US boots on the ground in a combat zone. I thought you were concerned about US forces casualties.

No, you idiot. What I'm telling you is: in Ukraine, we are headed for "US troops can never leave Ukraine" at full speed.

How do you not understand this pattern we've followed for 70 years? How the F did you graduate from military school, and not see this?

Again. Trump want's to draw down our forces in EUrope. That makes all the neocons & you Dems nervous ?

I"m not a Dem, and YOU are the neo con.

Trump can draw down forces in NATO tomorrow, and I'll cheer. How the F do you think Putin's piddly Army..... that can't even beat the Ukrainians with one shipment of arms and training from Trump....is going to beat the battle-hardened US military???

How far back do you want to crank your crackpot revisionist "I told you so" wayback machine ? If our founding fathers hadn't revolted against the crown, all these problems would fall on the Brits. You'd now be residing in Mexico. Quebec would extend S to New Orleans. If we'd let the CSA secede, the USA would not be strong enough to police the world now ? Should we have gone "over there" in 1917 ? Mission creep (& Hitler) lead to WW II. Japan wouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor if we hadn't stolen Spain's Pacific empire. Remember the Maine = mission creep.

Translation: "but mommy, I don't LIKE logic".

I'll keep the goalposts firmly back just a few years ago when Trump armed Ukraine. That recent enough to get rid of your piddly excuses as to why you can't figure out why "arming some guy" ALWAYS leads to "US Troops can never leave".

You just SUCK at logic: I give you MULTIPLE examples of how "arming some guy" leads to "US Troops can never leave"....and you come back with "oh that was back in time".

There's lots of people besides Charlie Wilson to blame.

That's right. I blame you, and your way of thinking. And you and your way of thinking has been at the helm of US policy for 70 years. And you REFUSE to learn from your mistakes, because you're all so full of yourselves, that you refuse to consider that sometimes, you make mistakes or make bad decisions. Your ego won't let you do that. So what do you do? Apply the same thinking to every situation, and then yell at me for having "one size fits all thinking". Right. The man who thinks "arming some guy" is the solution to EVERY problem, no matter where or when we are in US history, you think that's a SWELL thing to do.

[old salt]

How & where did we enter the ME mess just after WW II ? Where did we put US forces ashore ?

Are you serious? Propping up a dictator in Iran. Step #1 "arm some guy"

You greatly oversimplify a highly complex situation. We didn't just ""arm some guy". At the height of the Cold War, we secured a powerful ally, bordering the USSR, ensuring Western access to the world's most critical energy supply.

Iran had immense wealth. If we had not allied with them & sold them arms, the USSR would have.

We helped Iran modernize & become a great country. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/1979 ... d-america/
Had we not allied with Iran & sold them arms, the USSR would have, as they did with Iraq, Syria & Egypt.
Iran was a critical Cold War ally of NATO.

It"s no longer the 19th century. We would not survive in your splendid isolation.
You're the master second guesser of historical hindsight. You would have paid tribute to the Barbary pirates.

[a fan]

You greatly oversimplify a highly complex situation.

And you're moving the goalposts around in every discussion because you REFUSE to admit that there are long term consequences to the short term thinking that you champion.

I told you what was coming in stepping in militarily with Ukraine and you ignored me. And I told you this BEFORE it happened.


Now? You're on here lecturing me about "revisionist". And why? Because you can't stomach that fact that I was right, and you were wrong.

Here are the steps for Ukraine, and your giant ego can't handle that the same thing happened with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and Korea:

1. we arm some guy. This is the part YOU LOVE, where you think we can get "just a little bit pregnant", think about the short term game, and TOTALLY IGNORE allll the long term problems that ALWAYS dwarf the short term gain guys like you love so much.

2. the arms aren't enough, and you think we're pot committed. So we send US Troops either directly into the country, or in bases nearby. This is why we have hundreds of bases all over the world. This is now what you mockingly call "deterrence".

3. now we're in Powell's Pottery Barn Rules game. We can now "never leave".

We're already at step #2 with Ukraine. Not only are we arming them, we've sent more troops to adjacent NATO nations after having provoked a response from Putin by step #1 "arming some guy".

To cut through you moving the goalposts around: and I'm telling you this BEFORE it happened as I told you with Step #1. it's too late to turn back and we will have step #3. It's only a matter of time.

Want to put money on this outcome? You've been lying your &ss off, claiming I'm backseat driving. Nope. I told you that Obama did it right with Ukraine and Crimea in real time.....you, hypocritically, mocked Obama for not reacting militarily right here. Check out my response:

Obama just did sanctions & looked the other way.

Yep. Smart man. Do we have a treaty with Ukraine, or not?

Do you want to avoid pointless war, or not?

You want it all, and I frankly can't believe that I have to explain this to you for the 1,000th time in 10+ years of discussion.

Notice the date of this exchange?


Now here you are in 2024 after having cheered "arming some guy" in Ukraine on, and ripping on Obama for REFUSING to "arm some guy".....and lecturing us about how you're pretending to be upset about all the pointless bloodshed.

Yeah dude. I told you about all the consequences of "arming some guy" BEFORE we armed Ukraine. You made fun of me for not wanting to arm Ukraine, or getting involved militarily. You made fun of Obama NOT arming Ukraine, and for mocking you and your way of thinking with is "the 80s called..." quip.

We are now on the path that Old Salt championed and cheered on. So if you're upset about the current war and all the pointless death? Look in the mirror: YOU asked for this, and we have it in writing that YOU asked for this.

I told you that we should NOT get involved militarily with Ukraine. I was right, you were wrong, and your ego is too big to simply admit this is, and to FINALLY learn from your failed advice to Trump and Biden to arm Ukraine.

Steak dinner says you didn't learn a freaking thing from this, and will find some excuse as to why you're still right, and that arming some guy is awesome.

[old salt]

You greatly oversimplify a highly complex situation.

And you're moving the goalposts around in every discussion because you REFUSE to admit that there are long term consequences to the short term thinking that you champion.

I told you what was coming in stepping in militarily with Ukraine and you ignored me. And I told you this BEFORE it happened.


Now? You're on here lecturing me about "revisionist". And why? Because you can't stomach that fact that I was right, and you were wrong.

Here are the steps for Ukraine, and your giant ego can't handle that the same thing happened with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and Korea:

1. we arm some guy. This is the part YOU LOVE, where you think we can get "just a little bit pregnant", think about the short term game, and TOTALLY IGNORE allll the long term problems that ALWAYS dwarf the short term gain guys like you love so much.

2. the arms aren't enough, and you think we're pot committed. So we send US Troops either directly into the country, or in bases nearby. This is why we have hundreds of bases all over the world. This is now what you mockingly call "deterrence".

3. now we're in Powell's Pottery Barn Rules game. We can now "never leave".

We're already at step #2 with Ukraine. Not only are we arming them, we've sent more troops to adjacent NATO nations after having provoked a response from Putin by step #1 "arming some guy".

To cut through you moving the goalposts around: and I'm telling you this BEFORE it happened as I told you with Step #1. it's too late to turn back and we will have step #3. It's only a matter of time.

Want to put money on this outcome? You've been lying your &ss off, claiming I'm backseat driving. Nope. I told you that Obama did it right with Ukraine and Crimea in real time.....you, hypocritically, mocked Obama for not reacting militarily right here. Check out my response:

Obama just did sanctions & looked the other way.

Yep. Smart man. Do we have a treaty with Ukraine, or not?

Do you want to avoid pointless war, or not?

You want it all, and I frankly can't believe that I have to explain this to you for the 1,000th time in 10+ years of discussion.

Notice the date of this exchange?


Now here you are in 2024 after having cheered "arming some guy" in Ukraine on, and ripping on Obama for REFUSING to "arm some guy".....and lecturing us about how you're pretending to be upset about all the pointless bloodshed.

Yeah dude. I told you about all the consequences of "arming some guy" BEFORE we armed Ukraine. You made fun of me for not wanting to arm Ukraine, or getting involved militarily. You made fun of Obama NOT arming Ukraine, and for mocking you and your way of thinking with is "the 80s called..." quip.

We are now on the path that Old Salt championed and cheered on. So if you're upset about the current war and all the pointless death? Look in the mirror: YOU asked for this, and we have it in writing that YOU asked for this.

I told you that we should NOT get involved militarily with Ukraine. I was right, you were wrong, and your ego is too big to simply admit this is, and to FINALLY learn from your failed advice to Trump and Biden to arm Ukraine.

Steak dinner says you didn't learn a freaking thing from this, and will find some excuse as to why you're still right, and that arming some guy is awesome.

You have no clue about how things will play out in Ukraine. You've gone from sending in US forces everywhere & getting out troops killed, to just selling or providing arms. It may be news to you, but we have no US military forces serving in Ukraine & there is no indication that we will, other than in your fevered dreams....& you accuse me of moving the goal posts.

We have helped Ukraine survive & demonstrate their ability to defend themselves. They've earned the military aid they've received & deserve to receive more help to defend themselves. There is no indication that we will give them sufficient arms to regain their lost territory. It appears that we are headed for a stalemate & frozen conflict as we have in Korea (as I predicted from the outset). The current line of control represent a mutually defensible border which would allow Ukraine to survive & their economy to recover. We can prevent getting dragged into the war, especially if Trump is elected.

The pottery barn rule does not apply. We didn't invade Ukraine. We didn't break Ukraine. We're helping Ukraine prevent Russia from doing so.

[OCanada]

You greatly oversimplify a highly complex situation.

And you're moving the goalposts around in every discussion because you REFUSE to admit that there are long term consequences to the short term thinking that you champion.

I told you what was coming in stepping in militarily with Ukraine and you ignored me. And I told you this BEFORE it happened.


Now? You're on here lecturing me about "revisionist". And why? Because you can't stomach that fact that I was right, and you were wrong.

Here are the steps for Ukraine, and your giant ego can't handle that the same thing happened with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and Korea:

1. we arm some guy. This is the part YOU LOVE, where you think we can get "just a little bit pregnant", think about the short term game, and TOTALLY IGNORE allll the long term problems that ALWAYS dwarf the short term gain guys like you love so much.

2. the arms aren't enough, and you think we're pot committed. So we send US Troops either directly into the country, or in bases nearby. This is why we have hundreds of bases all over the world. This is now what you mockingly call "deterrence".

3. now we're in Powell's Pottery Barn Rules game. We can now "never leave".

We're already at step #2 with Ukraine. Not only are we arming them, we've sent more troops to adjacent NATO nations after having provoked a response from Putin by step #1 "arming some guy".

To cut through you moving the goalposts around: and I'm telling you this BEFORE it happened as I told you with Step #1. it's too late to turn back and we will have step #3. It's only a matter of time.

Want to put money on this outcome? You've been lying your &ss off, claiming I'm backseat driving. Nope. I told you that Obama did it right with Ukraine and Crimea in real time.....you, hypocritically, mocked Obama for not reacting militarily right here. Check out my response:

Obama just did sanctions & looked the other way.

Yep. Smart man. Do we have a treaty with Ukraine, or not?

Do you want to avoid pointless war, or not?

You want it all, and I frankly can't believe that I have to explain this to you for the 1,000th time in 10+ years of discussion.

Notice the date of this exchange?


Now here you are in 2024 after having cheered "arming some guy" in Ukraine on, and ripping on Obama for REFUSING to "arm some guy".....and lecturing us about how you're pretending to be upset about all the pointless bloodshed.

Yeah dude. I told you about all the consequences of "arming some guy" BEFORE we armed Ukraine. You made fun of me for not wanting to arm Ukraine, or getting involved militarily. You made fun of Obama NOT arming Ukraine, and for mocking you and your way of thinking with is "the 80s called..." quip.

We are now on the path that Old Salt championed and cheered on. So if you're upset about the current war and all the pointless death? Look in the mirror: YOU asked for this, and we have it in writing that YOU asked for this.

I told you that we should NOT get involved militarily with Ukraine. I was right, you were wrong, and your ego is too big to simply admit this is, and to FINALLY learn from your failed advice to Trump and Biden to arm Ukraine.

Steak dinner says you didn't learn a freaking thing from this, and will find some excuse as to why you're still right, and that arming some guy is awesome.

You have no clue about how things will play out in Ukraine. You've gone from sending in US forces everywhere & getting out troops killed, to just selling or providing arms. It may be news to you, but we have no US military forces serving in Ukraine & there is no indication that we will, other than in your fevered dreams....& you accuse me of moving the goal posts.

We have helped Ukraine survive & demonstrate their ability to defend themselves. They've earned the military aid they've received & deserve to receive more help to defend themselves. There is no indication that we will give them sufficient arms to regain their lost territory. It appears that we are headed for a stalemate & frozen conflict as we have in Korea (as I predicted from the outset). The current line of control represent a mutually defensible border which would allow Ukraine to survive & their economy to recover. We can prevent getting dragged into the war, especially if Trump is elected.

The pottery barn rule does not apply. We didn't invade Ukraine. We didn't break Ukraine. We're helping Ukraine prevent Russia from doing so.

Seriously? “We can prevent getting dragged into the war especially if Trump is elected.” If Trump is elected there will be no war to get dragged into. You just noted UK has justified the aid they have received then you endorse Trump who will sell out UK and give Putin what he wants.

Trump loved him some right wing authoritarians. Het gave Bibi the embassy move to Jerusalem unilaterally overturning long standing US position and got ZERO in return. He has said Putin is a genius and gave him a very big blank check. Had Trump won in 2020 the war would be over and UK gutted. Putin wants what Putin wants and when Biden won he was left having to invade to get it.

[a fan]

You have no clue about how things will play out in Ukraine. You've gone from sending in US forces everywhere & getting out troops killed, to just selling or providing arms. It may be news to you, but we have no US military forces serving in Ukraine & there is no indication that we will, other than in your fevered dreams....& you accuse me of moving the goal posts.

You're an idiot.

I've told you the same pattern happens over and over, and I've demonstrated how YOUR line of thinking plays out over and over and over. And because you REFUSE to look at history, which is both sad and hilarious because you claim to be a student of history....you can't see the pattern.

I've told you what the pattern is---directly---multiple times now in this very conversation, and you can't refute that we're in that pattern again, so what do you do? You tell me I'm oversimplifying things.

1. We already armed "some guy". That's in the rear view mirror.

2. Then we escalate. Which is where we are now, today, right this minute.

3. Unintended consequences of choice #1 start to show up....you and Tech lecturing others about potential nuclear war, as if both of you didn't cheer as we did Step #1 "arm some guy"....which led to these unintended consequences.

4. Watch and learn. US forces will be in Ukraine when things calm down. Could be with NATO. Could be alone. The question is: when that happens. You're unable to understand this, that much is plain. You think a NeoCon US President can sit back and let this happen again? Not a chance...they have military guys like you telling them about "deterrence", and how many billions we blew to keep Ukraine free. How do you NOT understand this?

"Pottery barn doesn't apply"...... Yeah, right.


And now you're on here talking about Trump. Dude.....you are AWFUL at this. Trump, at best, will be involved for a whopping four years. What did I JUST tell you about decisions we made with Iran way the F back in 1953, and how we are STILL dealing with the consequences of that one idiotic choice?

Four years is NOTHING, Old Salt. But you're CLEARLY unable to think even medium term, let alone long term. Par for the course with you and your buds....."shoot first, worry about what happens later" should be America's foreign policy motto.

It appears that we are headed for a stalemate & frozen conflict as we have in Korea (as I predicted from the outset).

You predicted no such thing.....you and your fellow military geniuses predicted they'd take Kyiv. I"m the one who told you you need MONEY to play the game of war, and you MOCKED me.

Don't come on here and tell us you said that Putin would stall out a few miles in, and have to recruit old freaking men in a draft to send them out as cannon fodder. You CANNOT handle being wrong. You were wrong, and now you're telling us you saw this coming.


You "predicted" a stalemate AFTER Russia failed to advance, and were stalled out for weeks on end. Wow, what a prediction.

[Kismet]

Pentagon announces new ME deployments including multiple fighter squadrons of F-15s, F-16s and F-22 fighter jets as well as A-10 warplanes, adding substantially to American air capability.

The Pentagon declined to say exactly how many more troops were being deployed. But one official put the number at between 2,000 and 3,000.

[old salt]

It appears that we are headed for a stalemate & frozen conflict as we have in Korea (as I predicted from the outset).

You predicted no such thing.....you and your fellow military geniuses predicted they'd take Kyiv. I"m the one who told you you need MONEY to play the game of war, and you MOCKED me.

Don't come on here and tell us you said that Putin would stall out a few miles in, and have to recruit old freaking men in a draft to send them out as cannon fodder. You CANNOT handle being wrong. You were wrong, and now you're telling us you saw this coming.


You "predicted" a stalemate AFTER Russia failed to advance, and were stalled out for weeks on end. Wow, what a prediction.

....and proving once again that you're full of sh!t & lying about my position.

I am not hoping or "rooting" for this, but I think it is the most likely short term outcome.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-hard-t ... eatst_pos1

At this point, however, the most likely outcome is that both sides fall short of total victory and that a stalemate sets in, with Ukraine governing the west and Russian forces occupying the east. This would create what Gen. Budanov calls “North and South Korea in Ukraine.”

As you can see, just one month after the invasion I predicted a Korea style stalemate. I made no predictions before that.

[old salt]

If you watch FNC for news on our naval assets in the E Med/ME, be advised that their graphic doubly depicts 5 ships = 3 DDG's in the Lincoln CVBG & 1 LPD & 1 LSD in the Wasp ARG. We currently have the following in theatre :
1 SSGN, 1 LHD, 1 LPD, 1 LSD, 1 CVN, 8 DDG's, 1 LCS = 14 warships in total.

[a fan]

At this point, however, the most likely outcome is that both sides fall short of total victory and that a stalemate sets in, with Ukraine governing the west and Russian forces occupying the east. This would create what Gen. Budanov calls “North and South Korea in Ukraine.”


As you can see, just one month after the invasion I predicted a Korea style stalemate. I made no predictions before that.

Yeah, when the invasion failed and stalled out almost immediately, yes, you did that.

The prediction you made was mocking me for telling you Putin needs money for military adventurism. He got his butt kicked by an army that doesn't even rank in the top 30. Seems he DID need that money.

And while you swear you want discussions here, you can't be bothered to simply say "you know, you were right about that need for money, Putin's army is really a mess, and I didn't see it".


All of this discussion...years and years of it...... was me telling you why we shouldn't arm random countries. You called me every name under the book for this position. Simplistic, naive, dumb, peacenik, unrealistic, pacifist. The whole thing.

And yet here we are, once again, in a mess in Ukraine, when as i told you BEFORE we armed them....that it was stupid, pointless, and leads to negative outcomes that can, and do, last for decades. And I cheered both Obama and Trump for not arming Ukraine....until Trump changed his mind.


No revisionism....I told you all this in real time, BEFORE the invasion happened.

And instead of simply saying, "you know, maybe you have a point"......you're STILL on here yelling at me for what is clearly a rational, wise approach.

And you'd think it would be easy for you to CONSIDER this, because unless you're lying, you are NOT happy with the outcome we have on hand.

[old salt]

At this point, however, the most likely outcome is that both sides fall short of total victory and that a stalemate sets in, with Ukraine governing the west and Russian forces occupying the east. This would create what Gen. Budanov calls “North and South Korea in Ukraine.”


As you can see, just one month after the invasion I predicted a Korea style stalemate. I made no predictions before that.

Yeah, when the invasion failed and stalled out almost immediately, yes, you did that.

The prediction you made was mocking me for telling you Putin needs money for military adventurism. He got his butt kicked by an army that doesn't even rank in the top 30. Seems he DID need that money.

And while you swear you want discussions here, you can't be bothered to simply say "you know, you were right about that need for money, Putin's army is really a mess, and I didn't see it".


All of this discussion...years and years of it...... was me telling you why we shouldn't arm random countries. You called me every name under the book for this position. Simplistic, naive, dumb, peacenik, unrealistic, pacifist. The whole thing.

And yet here we are, once again, in a mess in Ukraine, when as i told you BEFORE we armed them....that it was stupid, pointless, and leads to negative outcomes that can, and do, last for decades. And I cheered both Obama and Trump for not arming Ukraine....until Trump changed his mind.


No revisionism....I told you all this in real time, BEFORE the invasion happened.

And instead of simply saying, "you know, maybe you have a point"......you're STILL on here yelling at me for what is clearly a rational, wise approach.

And you'd think it would be easy for you to CONSIDER this, because unless you're lying, you are NOT happy with the outcome we have on hand.

You declared the outcome before the war started. >2.5 years after the war started, Russia still holds 20% of Ukraine"s ersatz territory & Ukraine is running out of men of fighting age. You are a genius military analyst. You cited the Budapest Memorandum as to why we should provide Ukraine military assistance, now you say we should not have provided military assistance. Make up your mind.

You've been predicting Russia's collapse for years. When is it going to happen ?

[OCanada]

At this point, however, the most likely outcome is that both sides fall short of total victory and that a stalemate sets in, with Ukraine governing the west and Russian forces occupying the east. This would create what Gen. Budanov calls “North and South Korea in Ukraine.”


As you can see, just one month after the invasion I predicted a Korea style stalemate. I made no predictions before that.

Yeah, when the invasion failed and stalled out almost immediately, yes, you did that.

The prediction you made was mocking me for telling you Putin needs money for military adventurism. He got his butt kicked by an army that doesn't even rank in the top 30. Seems he DID need that money.

And while you swear you want discussions here, you can't be bothered to simply say "you know, you were right about that need for money, Putin's army is really a mess, and I didn't see it".


All of this discussion...years and years of it...... was me telling you why we shouldn't arm random countries. You called me every name under the book for this position. Simplistic, naive, dumb, peacenik, unrealistic, pacifist. The whole thing.

And yet here we are, once again, in a mess in Ukraine, when as i told you BEFORE we armed them....that it was stupid, pointless, and leads to negative outcomes that can, and do, last for decades. And I cheered both Obama and Trump for not arming Ukraine....until Trump changed his mind.


No revisionism....I told you all this in real time, BEFORE the invasion happened.

And instead of simply saying, "you know, maybe you have a point"......you're STILL on here yelling at me for what is clearly a rational, wise approach.

And you'd think it would be easy for you to CONSIDER this, because unless you're lying, you are NOT happy with the outcome we have on hand.

You declared the outcome before the war started. >2.5 years after the war started, Russia still holds 20% of Ukraine"s ersatz territory & Ukraine is running out of men of fighting age. You are a genius military analyst. You cited the Budapest Memorandum as to why we should provide Ukraine military assistance, now you say we should not have provided military assistance. Make up your mind.

You've been predicting Russia's collapse for years. When is it going to happen ?

Interesting question. You have difficulty with delayed gratification? When containment of Russia was first set ss policy the direction was to spend it into the ground. That took until the 1980s. Decades. It did happen though did it not? Trump claims he can fix almost anything in one day. You believe that BS. It will take time and Russia is greatly stressed. He invaded UK when the revolution. threw out Putin’s puppet and held an election.

[a fan]

You declared the outcome before the war started. >2.5 years after the war started, Russia still holds 20% of Ukraine"s ersatz territory & Ukraine is running out of men of fighting age. You are a genius military analyst.

Yes, I did. You and your buds thought Putin would plow through to Kyiv in a matter of hours. and that they were a titanic military. Turns out nope, Russia is a paper army because, duh, they don't have the GDP the Soviets had, and Putin and his pals are busy fleecing Russian citizens of the money that's supposed to go to the army, and instead...it's a Kleptocracy.

Tried to tell you. You didn't want to hear it....and you STILL don't want to hear it.

You cited the Budapest Memorandum as to why we should provide Ukraine military assistance, now you say we should not have provided military assistance. Make up your mind.

Keep trying. I cited the B Memorandum as to why, if we believe that paper, we should have a treaty with them.

You don't want to do that.....which is why we are here, this is what YOU want.

-you don't want them to join Nato, or for the US to be big boys, and simply craft a treaty directly with Ukriane

-instead, you want to arm them, and then act shocked when we're in a stalemate where we're blowing billions, instead of simply signing a treaty, and parking 2,000 marines in Ukraine so that Putin CAN'T invade.

This is YOUR path, not mine. I told you when there was a kerfuffle in the Black Sea that Trump had to do nothing about it...and he did nothing, and I CHEERED him for doing nothing. Instead of playing your D's and R's game, I cheered the R's when they did what I wanted, and ripped Biden BEFORE the invasion happened, knowing he's a NeoCon like you, and knew where this is all headed.

Now we're on the clock for when 'we can never leave" Ukraine. Here comes the mission creep, OS! Be sure to act shocked when it arrives....

You've been predicting Russia's collapse for years. When is it going to happen ?

Nope. What I've been telling you is that the economy is second or third rate, when it could have been 1st rate had Putin taken Obama up on his offer of trade and peace.

And I've been 100% right, no matter how much you're on here cheering Putin on. And then denying you're rooting for Putin.

The Russian people are royally F'ed, and you will never admit that, because a Dem is in the White House, which makes you cheer for Putin over your own country. It's.....sad.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Trump downplays troop brain injuries from Iran attack during his presidency as ‘headaches’

More suckers and losers according to Trump.

[OCanada]

Trump downplays troop brain injuries from Iran attack during his presidency as ‘headaches’

More suckers and losers according to Trump.

But but Trump claimed no such happening during his term. To make that claim he made brain injuries into headaches. He claimed Biden was not talking to the GA governor about aid but when he said it the aid had already been promised. I have a big dog not at all worried about it being eaten. He lies around the clock. Do not believe he is telling the truth on Truth Social either. Should have decked him bsck in the 1980s when i had the opportunity.

I am not much for the distinction some are trying to draw thst they are not voting for him even though they talk his points. To me it is all one and the same

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You declared the outcome before the war started. >2.5 years after the war started, Russia still holds 20% of Ukraine"s ersatz territory & Ukraine is running out of men of fighting age. You are a genius military analyst.

Yes, I did. You and your buds thought Putin would plow through to Kyiv in a matter of hours. and that they were a titanic military. Turns out nope, Russia is a paper army because, duh, they don't have the GDP the Soviets had, and Putin and his pals are busy fleecing Russian citizens of the money that's supposed to go to the army, and instead...it's a Kleptocracy.

Tried to tell you. You didn't want to hear it....and you STILL don't want to hear it.

You cited the Budapest Memorandum as to why we should provide Ukraine military assistance, now you say we should not have provided military assistance. Make up your mind.

Keep trying. I cited the B Memorandum as to why, if we believe that paper, we should have a treaty with them.

You don't want to do that.....which is why we are here, this is what YOU want.

-you don't want them to join Nato, or for the US to be big boys, and simply craft a treaty directly with Ukriane

-instead, you want to arm them, and then act shocked when we're in a stalemate where we're blowing billions, instead of simply signing a treaty, and parking 2,000 marines in Ukraine so that Putin CAN'T invade.

This is YOUR path, not mine. I told you when there was a kerfuffle in the Black Sea that Trump had to do nothing about it...and he did nothing, and I CHEERED him for doing nothing. Instead of playing your D's and R's game, I cheered the R's when they did what I wanted, and ripped Biden BEFORE the invasion happened, knowing he's a NeoCon like you, and knew where this is all headed.

Now we're on the clock for when 'we can never leave" Ukraine. Here comes the mission creep, OS! Be sure to act shocked when it arrives....

You've been predicting Russia's collapse for years. When is it going to happen ?

Nope. What I've been telling you is that the economy is second or third rate, when it could have been 1st rate had Putin taken Obama up on his offer of trade and peace.

And I've been 100% right, no matter how much you're on here cheering Putin on. And then denying you're rooting for Putin.

The Russian people are royally F'ed, and you will never admit that, because a Dem is in the White House, which makes you cheer for Putin over your own country. It's.....sad.

Liar. Show me my words where I ever predicted a quick victory for Russia.
It's not rooting for Putin to acknowledge the reality of the situation & the difficulty for Ukraine to regain all lost territory.
Mission creep ? You seem to think we have US forces in Ukraine. We do not & there's no indication we ever will.
Depending on this election, there's no guarantee there will be any further future military aid, let alone deployment of forces.
If we were going to get involved, it would have been at the outset with a no fly zone.
You're hysterical. You've been 100% right ? I don't recall you predicting the present stalemate -- that was my prediction.