Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

[a fan]

I hope he’s not illegal.

I love how they think this works: they think we're going got get worked up over the latest FoxNation talking point, and pretend like it's a "coincidence" that these posters who have been on this forum for YEARS are now convinced that the millions and millions of immigrants we've had arrive in America since its founding never once broke a law or killed someone.

They're on here trying to sell us that this JUST STARTED under Biden's watch. And they don't understand why the rest of us are doing anything but laughing. Oh no! Biden is bad!!

Where was this fake concern over the last, heck, just decade? Do you think immigrants breaking laws or gangs were "invented' just three years ago?

I've told them the solution: simply register them as Republicans. Then, when they break laws, the usual suspect will claim that they didn't REALLY break laws...the Deep State "tricked them" into breaking laws, and the "real problem" is law enforcement for daring to arrest a Republican.

How about you guys take a break, come up with one week of original posts that I can't find on RightWingmedia as the soup of the day?

Try it. You might like thinking for yourselves for a few minutes out of the year.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I hope he’s not illegal.

I love how they think this works: they think we're going got get worked up over the latest FoxNation talking point, and pretend like it's a "coincidence" that these posters who have been on this forum for YEARS are now convinced that the millions and millions of immigrants we've had arrive in America since its founding never once broke a law or killed someone.

They're on here trying to sell us that this JUST STARTED under Biden's watch. And they don't understand why the rest of us are doing anything but laughing. Oh no! Biden is bad!!

Where was this fake concern over the last, heck, just decade? Do you think immigrants breaking laws or gangs were "invented' just three years ago?

I've told them the solution: simply register them as Republicans. Then, when they break laws, the usual suspect will claim that they didn't REALLY break laws...the Deep State "tricked them" into breaking laws, and the "real problem" is law enforcement for daring to arrest a Republican.

How about you guys take a break, come up with one week of original posts that I can't find on RightWingmedia as the soup of the day?

Try it. You might like thinking for yourselves for a few minutes out of the year.

The stat that shows immigrants commit less crimes than full blooded Americans is a fake statistic. I know what I see on the evening news.

[youthathletics]

I have offered solutions....you just want to sling partisan mud and not pay attention. I did like what Trump was working on (which did not require a bill). Had the current administration not cancelled all the EO's, let it go hell, then Kamala now says damned near the same thing Trump was, is a clear exercise futility; which implies they wanted this to happen....why is that?

As you have noticed, you don't need a bill to make changes, it's as easy is implementing EO's, then canceling them like the recent admin did....and we ended up here. As if we a bill to solve the cazillion laws already on the books. God forbid we talk about a current administration...... oh, the tragedy. We are wise to your BS "what bill" did they [insert afan partisan talking point here]pass.

Well....there is plenty of reason to yell at our current VP, who was assigned to work on this very issue by the POTUS, in this instance, they did make it worse, and you don't even have it in you to acknowledge the facts put forth from ICE....which BTW, ain't Twitter.

It's really not that hard my man....do you lock your storefront, adhere to the Fire Marshall's capacity, and escort guests out of the building when do not follow the rules. OF course not....right?

Too bad the politicians are interested in solutions but rather like the current mess so they can demonize the other side and make it their fault.
Fatso tanked the last bill because he wanted to run on the current situation. Biden could not wait to wiilly-nilly undo anything Fatso did when he was in office.

Yep, appreciate the response that gets it. Your last sentence is the part we should be livid about...we actually had substantive progress in play, and the move was to just throw the grenade back over the wall.

Sorry but your selective outrage doesn't cut it and frankly just makes you part of the problem - it may be why you take so much sh*t around here - you do it all of the time. You couldn't leave it at just a compliment without, as you yourself, says dropping a grenade over the wall.

Selective outrage?, taking it to the nth degree I see. I was an agreeing statement.

[Kismet]

I have offered solutions....you just want to sling partisan mud and not pay attention. I did like what Trump was working on (which did not require a bill). Had the current administration not cancelled all the EO's, let it go hell, then Kamala now says damned near the same thing Trump was, is a clear exercise futility; which implies they wanted this to happen....why is that?

As you have noticed, you don't need a bill to make changes, it's as easy is implementing EO's, then canceling them like the recent admin did....and we ended up here. As if we a bill to solve the cazillion laws already on the books. God forbid we talk about a current administration...... oh, the tragedy. We are wise to your BS "what bill" did they [insert afan partisan talking point here]pass.

Well....there is plenty of reason to yell at our current VP, who was assigned to work on this very issue by the POTUS, in this instance, they did make it worse, and you don't even have it in you to acknowledge the facts put forth from ICE....which BTW, ain't Twitter.

It's really not that hard my man....do you lock your storefront, adhere to the Fire Marshall's capacity, and escort guests out of the building when do not follow the rules. OF course not....right?

Too bad the politicians are interested in solutions but rather like the current mess so they can demonize the other side and make it their fault.
Fatso tanked the last bill because he wanted to run on the current situation. Biden could not wait to wiilly-nilly undo anything Fatso did when he was in office.

Yep, appreciate the response that gets it. Your last sentence is the part we should be livid about...we actually had substantive progress in play, and the move was to just throw the grenade back over the wall.

Sorry but your selective outrage doesn't cut it and frankly just makes you part of the problem - it may be why you take so much sh*t around here - you do it all of the time. You couldn't leave it at just a compliment without, as you yourself, says dropping a grenade over the wall.

Selective outrage?, taking it to the nth degree I see. I was an agreeing statement.

You were agreeing until you weren't ....as you always do.
Explains a LOT why people give you such a hard time here - it isn't all of them it's YOU

[youthathletics]

I have offered solutions....you just want to sling partisan mud and not pay attention.

That's the southern border. And YOUR solution does nothing but slow it down, at best. Big deal.

Ummm....that's what we are discussing, the Southern Border.

What's the plan for the millions who have been here for decades? And what about the VISA overstays that's a FAR bigger number than the Southern Border that gets all your attention? What's your plan?

Umm....we are discussing the added complexity they just did that compounded the problem, but you don't care, you just want to raise taxes, pass spending bills to throw money at it, then blame an R for god knows what next. How challenging would it be to SLOW down the influx, which was already happening, like you admitted was working, catch up on processing those already here, while we process the much lower numbers that come through, with a wall that would funnel them the correct way. Yea.....we need a monstrosity bill for that, that also included spending for line items that had nothing to do with the damned border. But again, you dont give two figs.

And remember, you can't spend money to fix it. Because you claim to not want to spend money.

Where the fug did you come up with that make believe sh(t. Building a wall was something I agree with...do you somehow think that was free. Stop with trying to box people in a corner with things they do not say.

Well....there is plenty of reason to yell at our current VP, who was assigned to work on this very issue by the POTUS, in this instance, they did make it worse, and you don't even have it in you to acknowledge the facts put forth from ICE....which BTW, ain't Twitter.

You're playing dumb, and pretending that you don't know WHY I could give two figs.

Actually, no, I don't know why...b/c it would make a lot more sense to be transparent, not argumentative, and meet somewhere in the middle.

You and your "immigration is a serious problem" crew elected Trump to fix it. He didn't. You didn't care, and you didn't notice. And not only did I tell you BEFORE Trump took office that he wouldn't fix the actual, real problem....I constantly reminded you that he wasn't doing anything in real time. You. didn't. care.

Do tell or is this back to your "What bill did he pass" horsechit.

And what did I get in return for daring to point this out? I got claims of "Trump Derangement Syndrome"...and was roundly mocked. Remember? Wasn't that a cute response?

Do tell, b/c I do not recall. If he did nothing as you said, then why did Biden nix everything Trump implemented, which was working? Remember, you just told us the border is only one part of a larger issue. If your foeder springs a leak are you going to to continue to keep pouring liquid in it? Of course not.....its really that simple.

So now you're on here, with the tables turned, and want to forget all the above, because of course you do, and then get mad when I wont' do as you are asking, and get worked up over Dems "doing it wrong".....when you REFUSED to even pretend to do the same thing when your Former team's ENTIRE freaking platform was "we're going to fix immigration and our VISA system, and hold businesses accountable".

There is a lot to unpack here, because the discussion was Border crossing and the crime from it from 2021-2024. By you introducing VISA and Businesses, is a completely different subject, that conflates the line item discussion we were attempting to have. Try focusing.

Remember that? Well...scoreboard. He was lying to you, and I told you he was lying to you, and just like you're doing now, you called me a partisan for calling Trump's BS out.

Again, the VISA and Business aspect is an etnirely different subject....so yes you are right, he did not do anything about that. we agree. I am for turning on e-Verify and have stated that before. I even posted all the negatives about it, but was still in favor of it.

You had your chance to throw stones at Trumpy. You REFUSED to do it. Yet you're here with a straight face, demanding that we hold the Dems accountable. And you seriously don't get why I'm laughing at this demand?

You are conflating all aspects of immigration again, answered that in last comment.

Dude. Have just a little hubris. You know doggone well you behaved like a full on R partisan for the entirety of Trump. Stop yelling at me for YOUR partisan behavior.

Correct, b/c I wanted to see the fruit of the labor from the wall being finished, supporting our Border Patrol completely, without the need to spend just to increase their numbers, by using the wall and technology. As noted numerous times, stopping the bleeding is the major issue, everything else

[cradleandshoot]

I hope he’s not illegal.

I love how they think this works: they think we're going got get worked up over the latest FoxNation talking point, and pretend like it's a "coincidence" that these posters who have been on this forum for YEARS are now convinced that the millions and millions of immigrants we've had arrive in America since its founding never once broke a law or killed someone.

They're on here trying to sell us that this JUST STARTED under Biden's watch. And they don't understand why the rest of us are doing anything but laughing. Oh no! Biden is bad!!

Where was this fake concern over the last, heck, just decade? Do you think immigrants breaking laws or gangs were "invented' just three years ago?

I've told them the solution: simply register them as Republicans. Then, when they break laws, the usual suspect will claim that they didn't REALLY break laws...the Deep State "tricked them" into breaking laws, and the "real problem" is law enforcement for daring to arrest a Republican.

How about you guys take a break, come up with one week of original posts that I can't find on RightWingmedia as the soup of the day?

Try it. You might like thinking for yourselves for a few minutes out of the year.

The stat that shows immigrants commit less crimes than full blooded Americans is a fake statistic. I know what I see on the evening news.

In Lester Holt and the NBC nightly news you trust. I've heard rumors the gubmint is going to put Lesters picture on the thousand dollar bill...

[Typical Lax Dad]

I wonder if she was here legally?

[a fan]

Ummm....that's what we are discussing, the Southern Border.

No. That's what YOU want to limit the discussion to. I could give a fig about the S border if everyone wants to ignore the the far, far, far larger problem.

And I've told you this several time.

Umm....we are discussing the added complexity they just did that compounded the problem, but you don't care, you just want to raise taxes, pass spending bills to throw money at it, then blame an R for god knows what next.

Nope. I asked you what YOUR solution was. And you don't have one. Which is why you're using the same misdirection and changing of the subject you almost always use when asked a direct question that you can't answer.

You DID answer why you didn't like the BiPartisan bill. But a fat lot of good that does if you don't have a replacement for it.

Where the fug did you come up with that make believe sh(t. Building a wall was something I agree with...do you somehow think that was free. Stop with trying to box people in a corner with things they do not say.

Where did I come up with the idea that you can't spend money to fix the problem? From you, my man.

Who complained that the BiPartisan bill costs money? You? Or me?

So......what did you complain about the fact bills costs money, when you're perfectly fine with spending mone?

Actually, no, I don't know why...b/c it would make a lot more sense to be transparent, not argumentative, and meet somewhere in the middle.

I'll be more direct: I spend four years under Trump, trying to get you and your fellow Republicans to hold Trump accountable for doing a good job.

You REFUSED to do it. So why are you having a difficult time understand that when you try and hold the Dems accountable now that they are in charge......your fellow posters are laughing at you?

Do tell or is this back to your "What bill did he pass" horsechit.

Yes. He didn't pass a bill fixing immigration.

Dude: you're telling us you don't care that Trump didn't pass a bill fixing immigration....yet at the same time, you're whining that the rreaking Dem VP didn't pass a bill fixing immigration?? What part of "you're being a hypocrite, YA" are you missing?

Do tell, b/c I do not recall.

You don't recall mocking posters for criticizing Trump? Yeah, right.

If he did nothing as you said, then why did Biden nix everything Trump implemented, which was working? Remember, you just told us the border is only one part of a larger issue.

You're talking about pointless EO's that don't do DIDDLY to fix the actual problem. You don't want to hear it, so we're at an impasse.

If your foeder springs a leak are you going to to continue to keep pouring liquid in it?

Actually, yes. That's LITERALLY what you do. But that's Foeders are weird, and the metaphor, while well intended, doesn't work here.

There is a lot to unpack here, because the discussion was Border crossing and the crime from it from 2021-2024. By you introducing VISA and Businesses, is a completely different subject, that conflates the line item discussion we were attempting to have. Try focusing.

I'm not "introducing" anything. I have told you REPEATEDLY that VISA overstays are larger numbers than the S border in terms of illegal workers. You just don't care.

Again, the VISA and Business aspect is an etnirely different subject....so yes you are right, he did not do anything about that. we agree. I am for turning on e-Verify and have stated that before. I even posted all the negatives about it, but was still in favor of it.

You agree NOW, and I appreciate that.

But you let him do NOTHING while he was in office, and mocked folks for ripping him for failing to complete the task that campaigned on. Immigration was Trump's reason to run. That, and 'draining the swamp'. He did neither. And you didn't care about this.

\Correct, b/c I wanted to see the fruit of the labor from the wall being finished, supporting our Border Patrol completely, without the need to spend just to increase their numbers, by using the wall and technology. As noted numerous times, stopping the bleeding is the major issue, everything else

Do you not understand that the wall doesn't work? Dude. You're a smart, smart guy. How hard do you think it would be for you to figure out how to get over or through Trump's wall. Use your head.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion ... 372239002/

[a fan]

I have offered solutions....you just want to sling partisan mud and not pay attention. I did like what Trump was working on (which did not require a bill). Had the current administration not cancelled all the EO's, let it go hell, then Kamala now says damned near the same thing Trump was, is a clear exercise futility; which implies they wanted this to happen....why is that?

As you have noticed, you don't need a bill to make changes, it's as easy is implementing EO's, then canceling them like the recent admin did....and we ended up here. As if we a bill to solve the cazillion laws already on the books. God forbid we talk about a current administration...... oh, the tragedy. We are wise to your BS "what bill" did they [insert afan partisan talking point here]pass.

Well....there is plenty of reason to yell at our current VP, who was assigned to work on this very issue by the POTUS, in this instance, they did make it worse, and you don't even have it in you to acknowledge the facts put forth from ICE....which BTW, ain't Twitter.

It's really not that hard my man....do you lock your storefront, adhere to the Fire Marshall's capacity, and escort guests out of the building when do not follow the rules. OF course not....right?

Too bad the politicians are interested in solutions but rather like the current mess so they can demonize the other side and make it their fault.
Fatso tanked the last bill because he wanted to run on the current situation. Biden could not wait to wiilly-nilly undo anything Fatso did when he was in office.

Yep, appreciate the response that gets it. Your last sentence is the part we should be livid about...we actually had substantive progress in play, and the move was to just throw the grenade back over the wall.

Sorry but your selective outrage doesn't cut it and frankly just makes you part of the problem - it may be why you take so much sh*t around here - you do it all of the time. You couldn't leave it at just a compliment without, as you yourself, says dropping a grenade over the wall.

Selective outrage?, taking it to the nth degree I see. I was an agreeing statement.

Youth.....you think like Old Salt does. You think that the years of posts you've made here "don't count", and that folks don't remember what you have posted in the past. You think that every post here is like a brand new baby, and that no one remembers your four years of defending and/or making excuses for Trump. Or worse, ignoring when he does something bad, and then turning around, and losing it when a Dem does the same thing.

To wit: you're yelling at VP Kamala for "failing' to fix immigration, when you couldn't be bothered to make the same complaint when Trump didn't fix it.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I have offered solutions....you just want to sling partisan mud and not pay attention. I did like what Trump was working on (which did not require a bill). Had the current administration not cancelled all the EO's, let it go hell, then Kamala now says damned near the same thing Trump was, is a clear exercise futility; which implies they wanted this to happen....why is that?

As you have noticed, you don't need a bill to make changes, it's as easy is implementing EO's, then canceling them like the recent admin did....and we ended up here. As if we a bill to solve the cazillion laws already on the books. God forbid we talk about a current administration...... oh, the tragedy. We are wise to your BS "what bill" did they [insert afan partisan talking point here]pass.

Well....there is plenty of reason to yell at our current VP, who was assigned to work on this very issue by the POTUS, in this instance, they did make it worse, and you don't even have it in you to acknowledge the facts put forth from ICE....which BTW, ain't Twitter.

It's really not that hard my man....do you lock your storefront, adhere to the Fire Marshall's capacity, and escort guests out of the building when do not follow the rules. OF course not....right?

Too bad the politicians are interested in solutions but rather like the current mess so they can demonize the other side and make it their fault.
Fatso tanked the last bill because he wanted to run on the current situation. Biden could not wait to wiilly-nilly undo anything Fatso did when he was in office.

Yep, appreciate the response that gets it. Your last sentence is the part we should be livid about...we actually had substantive progress in play, and the move was to just throw the grenade back over the wall.

Sorry but your selective outrage doesn't cut it and frankly just makes you part of the problem - it may be why you take so much sh*t around here - you do it all of the time. You couldn't leave it at just a compliment without, as you yourself, says dropping a grenade over the wall.

Selective outrage?, taking it to the nth degree I see. I was an agreeing statement.

Youth.....you think like Old Salt does. You think that the years of posts you've made here "don't count", and that folks don't remember what you have posted in the past. You think that every post here is like a brand new baby, and that no one remembers your four years of defending and/or making excuses for Trump. Or worse, ignoring when he does something bad, and then turning around, and losing it when a Dem does the same thing.

To wit: you're yelling at VP Kamala for "failing' to fix immigration, when you couldn't be bothered to make the same complaint when Trump didn't fix it.

Kamala’s job wasn’t to fix immigration. It was to focus on the root cause and and take steps to address it. Republicans labeled her as a Czar. They are good at defining something even when it’s not true. Happens all the time. Anyone know what Pence was in charge of? Immigration has been a problem since Reagan was in office but for the first time the VP of the USA is responsible for fixing it. YA and people like him are idiots, disingenuous and liars, IMHO and with all due respect.

[Typical Lax Dad]

We can eliminate illegal aliens committing crimes but we can’t do anything about this….we take solace in the fact that the perpetrator was a red blooded American.

[youthathletics]

I have offered solutions....you just want to sling partisan mud and not pay attention. I did like what Trump was working on (which did not require a bill). Had the current administration not cancelled all the EO's, let it go hell, then Kamala now says damned near the same thing Trump was, is a clear exercise futility; which implies they wanted this to happen....why is that?

As you have noticed, you don't need a bill to make changes, it's as easy is implementing EO's, then canceling them like the recent admin did....and we ended up here. As if we a bill to solve the cazillion laws already on the books. God forbid we talk about a current administration...... oh, the tragedy. We are wise to your BS "what bill" did they [insert afan partisan talking point here]pass.

Well....there is plenty of reason to yell at our current VP, who was assigned to work on this very issue by the POTUS, in this instance, they did make it worse, and you don't even have it in you to acknowledge the facts put forth from ICE....which BTW, ain't Twitter.

It's really not that hard my man....do you lock your storefront, adhere to the Fire Marshall's capacity, and escort guests out of the building when do not follow the rules. OF course not....right?

Too bad the politicians are interested in solutions but rather like the current mess so they can demonize the other side and make it their fault.
Fatso tanked the last bill because he wanted to run on the current situation. Biden could not wait to wiilly-nilly undo anything Fatso did when he was in office.

Yep, appreciate the response that gets it. Your last sentence is the part we should be livid about...we actually had substantive progress in play, and the move was to just throw the grenade back over the wall.

Sorry but your selective outrage doesn't cut it and frankly just makes you part of the problem - it may be why you take so much sh*t around here - you do it all of the time. You couldn't leave it at just a compliment without, as you yourself, says dropping a grenade over the wall.

Selective outrage?, taking it to the nth degree I see. I was an agreeing statement.

Youth.....you think like Old Salt does. You think that the years of posts you've made here "don't count", and that folks don't remember what you have posted in the past. You think that every post here is like a brand new baby, and that no one remembers your four years of defending and/or making excuses for Trump. Or worse, ignoring when he does something bad, and then turning around, and losing it when a Dem does the same thing.

To wit: you're yelling at VP Kamala for "failing' to fix immigration, when you couldn't be bothered to make the same complaint when Trump didn't fix it.

Nopity nope.....you have selective memory and revisionist history. We talk different love languages than you, maybe its a right brain / left brain thing? I dont know, I like to focus on baby steps when solving problems, rather than throwing the kitchen sink at them, that way you know what fixed it and how to further tweak it.....like tuning a PID Loop. I like to keep the derivative new zero, otherwise you could swing the wrong way, real quick.

I just told you in writing, not even an hour ago, that I was optimistic about the wall being built, relieving stress on border control, and allowing processing to be manageable. There literally was little to complain about b/c 'something was being attempted' about crossings. Again, you want some magic pill all encompassing bill. I would like to start with enforcing what we already have.

Both POTUS' had a majority in their terms, and both signed no legislation. But one made it worse than the other, which is what we are fussing about now. Guess which one?

[youthathletics]

Ummm....that's what we are discussing, the Southern Border.

No. That's what YOU want to limit the discussion to. I could give a fig about the S border if everyone wants to ignore the the far, far, far larger problem.

That is how we got into this long running conversation. My post was singularly focused on the border, based on stats that came out from ICE yesterday. You didn't give a sh(t what they presented and made it about what you YOU wanted to talk about. Kinda hard to sing an acapella duet together when you are beating drums.

[a fan]

Nopity nope.....you have selective memory and revisionist history. We talk different love languages than you, maybe its a right brain / left brain thing? I dont know, I like to focus on baby steps when solving problems, rather than throwing the kitchen sink at them, that way you know what fixed it and how to further tweak it.....like tuning a PID Loop. I like to keep the derivative new zero, otherwise you could swing the wrong way, real quick.

That's fine. We haven't done even a baby step.

I just told you in writing, not even an hour ago, that I was optimistic about the wall being built, relieving stress on border control, and allowing processing to be manageable. There literally was little to complain about b/c 'something was being attempted' about crossings. Again, you want some magic pill all encompassing bill. I would like to start with enforcing what we already have.

No. I want them to do something tangible and effect.

The wall does. not. work. How many videos and stories have you seen that illustrate that duh: when a wall is hundreds of miles long, cutting a freaking hole in it, or putting up ladders is EASY. Duh.

I will say this, though: if you guys are dumb enough to want one? Fine. Build the thing, so you can stop using the "we need a wall" as an excuse to not work on the ACUTAL problems.

Trump didn't even build the freaking wall, YA.

Both POTUS' had a majority in their terms, and both signed no legislation. But one made it worse than the other, which is what we are fussing about now. Guess which one?

Oh, that's easy: Trump.

Do you know what he did that made things worse? You should be able to tell me INSTANTLY.

[a fan]

Ummm....that's what we are discussing, the Southern Border.

No. That's what YOU want to limit the discussion to. I could give a fig about the S border if everyone wants to ignore the the far, far, far larger problem.

That is how we got into this long running conversation. My post was singularly focused on the border, based on stats that came out from ICE yesterday. You didn't give a sh(t what they presented and made it about what you YOU wanted to talk about. Kinda hard to sing an acapella duet together when you are beating drums.

No. They didn't "come from ICE" they were delivered what they were asked for by a partisan House member: "hey, can you send me some bad numbers about immigration. And whatever you do, don't give us numbers from when Trump was in charge, because guys like YA will figure out that they're getting played for the 1,000th time".

[a fan]

Both POTUS' had a majority in their terms, and both signed no legislation. But one made it worse than the other, which is what we are fussing about now. Guess which one?

You're ripping Biden for "letting" Trump kill the bipartisan bill??

Dude, you can't help yourself, can you?

[youthathletics]

Both POTUS' had a majority in their terms, and both signed no legislation. But one made it worse than the other, which is what we are fussing about now. Guess which one?

You're ripping Biden for "letting" Trump kill the bipartisan bill??

Dude, you can't help yourself, can you?

Ha!!! Every Trump EO was torn up before the bill was even considered. Wake up.

Even Kamala gets it….now. https://x.com/mazemoore/status/18398392 ... a82I2GssRg

[old salt]

Kamala's detailed speech on immigration begs the question -- what has the Border Czar been doing for the past 3+ years ?

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/kamala-harr ... _now_opn_1

Harris Spins a New Border Tale
Blaming the surge on Republicans evades years of failed policies.
by The Editorial Board, Sept. 27, 2024

The U.S.-Mexico border on Friday was the latest stop on Kamala Harris’s reinvention tour, and defending her record there will take more than a smile and shifting blame. She criticized Donald Trump and Republicans for rejecting a bipartisan Senate deal, as we did at the time. But as usual she blew past the steps that she and President Biden failed to take for more than three years as illegal migrant border crossings surged to record levels.

The Vice President chose Douglas, Ariz., for her border speech, hoping to convince swing-state voters that she’s serious about reducing the flow of migrants. The visit represents a shift to Plan B after the failure of her first strategy, which was to dodge the issue. Her campaign spent the first weeks after she gained the nomination telling the press that President Biden had never named her “border czar.”

But residents in border towns like Douglas aren’t likely to forget how security has unraveled on her Administration’s watch. More than 10 million migrants have been apprehended nationwide during the Biden Presidency, with a peak of 3.2 million last fiscal year. That compares with about three million in total under President Trump.

Democrats blame the surge on problems the White House had little power to fix, like the worldwide spread of Covid and disarray in countries such as Venezuela and Haiti. But Biden-Harris policies kept the border valve open while those forces built pressure.

The Administration signaled its openness to migrants in its first week when President Biden said he’d cancel Title 42, a policy Mr. Trump used to expel border crossers before they could claim asylum. The next month Mr. Biden moved to end Remain in Mexico, another Trump practice that kept migrants south of the border while they awaited legal entry.

The pace of migration rose again last year when Title 42 was finally ended after years of litigation, and the Administration had failed for two years to enact another deterrent. There was plenty of tough talk; Ms. Harris told Guatemalans “do not come” in 2021, and Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas said “the border is closed.” Yet Mr. Mayorkas backed away from several policy restrictions, such as requiring all migrants to seek asylum in countries they cross en route to the U.S.

Ms. Harris now says all this is moot because Mr. Trump and Congressional Republicans shot down a bill that would have boosted border security. The plan, which collapsed in February, included a higher standard for asylum claims, and would have halted claims once crossings surpassed a weekly average of 5,000 a day.

The bill would have helped at the margin, assuming the Administration had enforced it—and doubts about the latter were part of the political rub. Since the spring, the Administration has required migrants to claim asylum only at ports of entry, and border crossings have fallen sharply. The President had this authority all along but was unwilling to use it for fear of offending his party’s left wing.

This record of failure has been especially frustrating for anyone who favors generous legal immigration, as we do. The surge of migrants and its spread of fiscal, housing and law enforcement woes has soured public support.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement told Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales this week that, as of July 21, “there were 662,566 noncitizens with criminal histories on ICE’s national docket,” detained and non-detained. This plays into the hands of border restrictionists.

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Ms. Harris says it’s possible to have both border security and a humane immigration system. That’s true, but that requires an Administration willing to enforce the rules. President Biden hasn’t.

Ms. Harris says she will, and we’d like to believe it. But even after the last three years, she refuses to call the Biden policies a failure. If she won’t admit that now to win over swing voters, why would she risk the left’s wrath once she’s elected? It takes a great leap of political faith to believe she won’t revert to Biden form.

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Ummm....that's what we are discussing, the Southern Border.

No. That's what YOU want to limit the discussion to. I could give a fig about the S border if everyone wants to ignore the the far, far, far larger problem.

That is how we got into this long running conversation. My post was singularly focused on the border, based on stats that came out from ICE yesterday. You didn't give a sh(t what they presented and made it about what you YOU wanted to talk about. Kinda hard to sing an acapella duet together when you are beating drums.

As opposed to the silly stuff you usually post here while complaining that people are mean to you.

Like it or not, you cannot help piling on when it's your turn.

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Kamala's detailed speech on immigration begs the question -- what has the Border Czar been doing for the past 3+ years ?

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/kamala-harr ... _now_opn_1

Harris Spins a New Border Tale
Blaming the surge on Republicans evades years of failed policies.
by The Editorial Board, Sept. 27, 2024

The U.S.-Mexico border on Friday was the latest stop on Kamala Harris’s reinvention tour, and defending her record there will take more than a smile and shifting blame. She criticized Donald Trump and Republicans for rejecting a bipartisan Senate deal, as we did at the time. But as usual she blew past the steps that she and President Biden failed to take for more than three years as illegal migrant border crossings surged to record levels.

The Vice President chose Douglas, Ariz., for her border speech, hoping to convince swing-state voters that she’s serious about reducing the flow of migrants. The visit represents a shift to Plan B after the failure of her first strategy, which was to dodge the issue. Her campaign spent the first weeks after she gained the nomination telling the press that President Biden had never named her “border czar.”

But residents in border towns like Douglas aren’t likely to forget how security has unraveled on her Administration’s watch. More than 10 million migrants have been apprehended nationwide during the Biden Presidency, with a peak of 3.2 million last fiscal year. That compares with about three million in total under President Trump.

Democrats blame the surge on problems the White House had little power to fix, like the worldwide spread of Covid and disarray in countries such as Venezuela and Haiti. But Biden-Harris policies kept the border valve open while those forces built pressure.

The Administration signaled its openness to migrants in its first week when President Biden said he’d cancel Title 42, a policy Mr. Trump used to expel border crossers before they could claim asylum. The next month Mr. Biden moved to end Remain in Mexico, another Trump practice that kept migrants south of the border while they awaited legal entry.

The pace of migration rose again last year when Title 42 was finally ended after years of litigation, and the Administration had failed for two years to enact another deterrent. There was plenty of tough talk; Ms. Harris told Guatemalans “do not come” in 2021, and Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas said “the border is closed.” Yet Mr. Mayorkas backed away from several policy restrictions, such as requiring all migrants to seek asylum in countries they cross en route to the U.S.

Ms. Harris now says all this is moot because Mr. Trump and Congressional Republicans shot down a bill that would have boosted border security. The plan, which collapsed in February, included a higher standard for asylum claims, and would have halted claims once crossings surpassed a weekly average of 5,000 a day.

The bill would have helped at the margin, assuming the Administration had enforced it—and doubts about the latter were part of the political rub. Since the spring, the Administration has required migrants to claim asylum only at ports of entry, and border crossings have fallen sharply. The President had this authority all along but was unwilling to use it for fear of offending his party’s left wing.

This record of failure has been especially frustrating for anyone who favors generous legal immigration, as we do. The surge of migrants and its spread of fiscal, housing and law enforcement woes has soured public support.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement told Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales this week that, as of July 21, “there were 662,566 noncitizens with criminal histories on ICE’s national docket,” detained and non-detained. This plays into the hands of border restrictionists.

***
Ms. Harris says it’s possible to have both border security and a humane immigration system. That’s true, but that requires an Administration willing to enforce the rules. President Biden hasn’t.

Ms. Harris says she will, and we’d like to believe it. But even after the last three years, she refuses to call the Biden policies a failure. If she won’t admit that now to win over swing voters, why would she risk the left’s wrath once she’s elected? It takes a great leap of political faith to believe she won’t revert to Biden form.

Excellent evaluation by wsj. Thanks for posting.