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old salt wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:10 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:35 pm Mad dogs. Don’t want to be near them when the karma-rang comes.

“It was the deadliest day of Israeli attacks in Lebanon since at least 2006. More than a thousand were also injured, Lebanon’s health ministry said, without saying how many were civilians. The armed group Hezbollah sent rockets into northern Israel and vowed to keep attacking.”

Never, ever, ever put your hand near fighting dogs. Ever.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/23 ... -hezbollah
Don't stick around if Hezbollah parks a missile in your garage.
My garage? I have no garage in this fight, do you?
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Bengie has been cozying up to dight wing governments for a while now and selling high tech to them through an Israeli corporation.
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OCanada wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:40 pm Bengie has been cozying up to dight wing governments for a while now and selling high tech to them through an Israeli corporation.
... so remind me again, what makes Israel such a great ally. What have they ever done for us, that we couldn't do for ourselves?
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jhu72 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 6:12 pm
OCanada wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:40 pm Bengie has been cozying up to dight wing governments for a while now and selling high tech to them through an Israeli corporation.
... so remind me again, what makes Israel such a great ally. What have they ever done for us, that we couldn't do for ourselves?
Ally? What alliance is that?
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OCanada wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:17 pm Yves Smith article. Lengthy

...alert readers to how the deeply polluted state of Anglosphere reporting. It should be no surprise that it is coming to resemble Western reporting on the Ukraine conflict, as overstating Israeli successes and underplaying or ignoring Hezbollah/Axis of Resistance wins.

Yours truly in now finding it necessary to listen to Alastair Crooke’s Monday morning talks on Judge Napolitano... \

Now let us turn to the series of exchanges that started with barbarism-by-pager. Per Moon of Alabama:

But as for the rockets, we again turn to Alastair Crooke, here on Judge Napolitan
Great sources. Next you'll bring us reporting from Doug MacGregor & Scott Ritter. :roll:
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Whoever they are. Specifically what do you have an issue with?

Yves Smith: https://www.ineteconomics.org/research/ ... /yvessmith

Very highly regsrded

As opposed to someone who gets caught in his own BS.
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OCanada wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:31 pm Whoever they are. Specifically what do you have an issue with?

Yves Smith: https://www.ineteconomics.org/research/ ... /yvessmith

Very highly regsrded

As opposed to someone who gets caught in his own BS.
Very highly regarded by you maybe. You must be enamored with her own name. Has a nice Frenchie twang to it. :D
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cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:38 am
OCanada wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:31 pm Whoever they are. Specifically what do you have an issue with?

Yves Smith: https://www.ineteconomics.org/research/ ... /yvessmith

Very highly regsrded

As opposed to someone who gets caught in his own BS.
Very highly regarded by you maybe. You must be enamored with her own name. Has a nice Frenchie twang to it. :D
When you got nothing you got nothing to lose. Guess you did not read the link. Yves has a blog Naked Capitalism. Guess what? Yves does not lie about the price of eggs and does not assault women nor is he a convicted felon. I enjoy these kind of posts from you they reveal so much

Seems a bit of penis envy leaking in as well as misogyny and xenophobia creeping in.
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OCanada wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:35 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:38 am
OCanada wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:31 pm Whoever they are. Specifically what do you have an issue with?

Yves Smith: https://www.ineteconomics.org/research/ ... /yvessmith

Very highly regsrded

As opposed to someone who gets caught in his own BS.
Very highly regarded by you maybe. You must be enamored with her own name. Has a nice Frenchie twang to it. :D
When you got nothing you got nothing to lose. Guess you did not read the link. Yves has a blog Naked Capitalism. Guess what? Yves does not lie about the price of eggs and does not assault women nor is he a convicted felon. I enjoy these kind of posts from you they reveal so much

Seems a bit of penis envy leaking in as well as misogyny and xenophobia creeping in.
I did read the link. It didn't mention how highly respected she was outside of your own opinion. :D
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Guess you just do not have the capacity to comprehendor interpolate.

Let me help. https://www.ineteconomics.org/research/ ... /yvessmith
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Israel has a numbers problem.

"About 287,000 Israelis were called up to serve in the military after Oct. 7, a massive number in a country of less than 10 million. Many were integral to their companies, and have struggled to balance career goals with front line duties.

Idan Ben-David, a 28 year-old who reported at 8 a.m. on Oct. 7, still spends four nights a week serving with Israel’s air force; during the day, he runs Tauga AI, a start-up focused on using artificial intelligence to personalize learning."

"Israel’s economy is generally resilient in the face of conflict, said Dany Bahar, a senior fellow at the Center for Global Development. He said Israel’s outsize contributions to innovation and technology have created a massive start-up culture, making the country a destination for international research and development.

“But this war seems like the mother of all wars,” he added. “That means it is expensive … and the money has to come from somewhere.”

Where is that money going to come from?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... vists-war/
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Israelis are not messing around

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/27/us/p ... syria.html

Israel’s New Campaign Against Hezbollah Started With Raid in Syria
An attack on a secret weapons lab was one of the most daring Israeli operations against the Iranian proxy group in years, covert in name only.
The commandos came in helicopters, on a nearly moonless night.

The guards outside the secret weapons lab in northwestern Syria had already been killed in a short series of airstrikes when the thrumming of Israeli Air Force helicopters approached.

At first the Sept. 8 strike seemed like many others carried out by Israel, which had long had the facility in its sights. Israeli officials believed that Iran and the Lebanese militia Hezbollah planned to manufacture a new generation of precision missiles there.

But this was a different kind of operation. The helicopters flew low, without lights. Soon dozens of camouflage-clad commandos were rappelling down cables and rushing into the complex, which in places was more than 200 feet underground, according to U.S., European and Israeli officials.

What followed was one of the most daring Israeli military operations against Hezbollah in years.

In the panoply of Israeli strikes and assassinations since the deadly Hamas-led attack on Oct. 7, the commando raid stands out. Israel sent special operations troops, boots on the ground, into a sovereign country to carry out a mission.

It initially looked to be a one-off attack on a Hezbollah weapons facility, but it now appears to have been the opening salvo in a covert-in-name-only campaign against the Iranian proxy group.
Hezbollah’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, vowed that Israel would “face just retribution and a bitter reckoning.”

“This retribution will come,” he said last week. “Its manner, size, how and where — these are things we will certainly keep to ourselves, in the narrowest circles even among us.”
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This account of the raid is based on interviews with U.S., European and Israeli officials who are familiar with aspects of the operation. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence.

Before conducting the raid, Israel notified senior American officials, including Gen. Michael E. Kurilla, the head of United States Central Command, according to a U.S. official. That Sunday, General Kurilla was in Israel visiting the deep-underground war room of the Israel Defense Forces’ Northern Command, where he was presented with the military’s operational plans for countering Hezbollah, according to the Israeli military.

Israeli intelligence had information about the location of the guard posts and the layout of the facility. After the guards were killed that Sunday night, the 100 or so Israeli commandos who rappelled down from the helicopters were able to enter the site unchallenged.

Using stolen maps, the commandos split into teams, each tasked with destroying a different part of the facility.The raid lasted about 15 minutes.

The factory, which is near the city of Masyaf in northwestern Syria, is officially known as the Syrian Scientific Studies and Research Center. But while nominally controlled by the Syrian Ministry of Defense, Western officials say Hezbollah and Iran have taken over operations.

It is only about 30 miles from the Lebanese border, which is why, Israeli and American officials say, Hezbollah manufactures weapons there instead of in Iran. Transporting missiles and weapons from Iran to Lebanon is a more than 1,000-mile odyssey with an array of challenges.For years, Israel has been tracking, and trying to destroy, the facility and those associated with it. In 2018, Aziz Asbar, one of Syria’s most important rocket scientists, was killed in Masyaf by a car bomb apparently planted by the Mossad, the Israeli spy agency.

A year earlier, Israeli warplanes also struck Masyaf, killing two people, according to Syrian officials, as part of Israel’s efforts to prevent Syria and Hezbollah from acquiring advanced weapons.

Before the Syrian civil war began in 2011, chemical weapons were also made at the Masyaf facility, but that work has stopped, U.S. officials said.

In recent years, the Syrian government has moved equipment to the well-protected site as it consolidated its missile production capability. And Iran and Hezbollah began upgrading the underground area that was struck this month. Hezbollah intended to use the missiles being developed against Israel, according to officials briefed on the intelligence.

Viewed in that light, the Sept. 8 attack was both a continuation of Israel’s long-running efforts to destroy the center and an apparent shift in its nearly yearlong war effort from Hamas in Gaza to Hezbollah.

The strategy, senior Israeli officials told their American colleagues after the raid, reflects the lessons of the Oct. 7 attack. When the Israeli government gathers intelligence that an Iranian proxy is trying to develop a new weapon, the Israeli military will take action to stop it, the officials said.

The strike on Masyaf was also the opening round in a series of attacks aimed at halting Hezbollah’s cross-border missile and drone attacks.

U.S. officials had pressed both Israel and Hezbollah to try to contain a northern front, anxious to stop the war in Gaza from expanding. But Hezbollah’s continued shelling has driven thousands of Israelis from their homes, and pressure has mounted on the Israeli government to stop the attacks. While U.S. officials believe a peace agreement for Gaza is the best way to contain the cross-border violence in the north, the Israeli government opted to intensify its campaign against Hezbollah.

Now, U.S. officials find themselves trying to push for a cease-fire in both Gaza and Lebanon.

The facility in Syria had become a top priority for the Israelis because they feared Hezbollah would be able to make a far more precise weapon and many more missiles there once it was complete.

U.S. and Israeli officials said an important goal of the commando raid was to destroy equipment related to creating explosives for warheads and fueling missiles. The Israeli military believed that destroying the special equipment at the facility could significantly hinder the manufacturing effort.

A breakthrough for Israel came when its signals intelligence agency, known as Unit 8200, obtained detailed plans for the facility through a computer hack, officials said. Unit 8200 is the same unit faulted for Israel’s intelligence failure before Oct. 7.

Three months before the Hamas attacks, a veteran analyst with Unit 8200 warned that Hamas had conducted an intense, daylong training exercise that appeared ominous. But a colonel in the Israeli military’s Gaza division brushed off the analyst’s concerns, according to encrypted emails viewed by The New York Times.

This time, not only did the spy group get the physical blueprints of the agency, Unit 8200 also learned the location of the guards at the entrances to the underground facility. As a result, the commandos moved swiftly and were headed back to the helicopters within minutes.

The explosives they set began to detonate, dealing a huge setback to Syria, Iran and Hezbollah.

But it was also the opening shots in a new phase of the war, whose end game is anything but certain."
Hezbollah began attacking northern Israel soon after Oct. 7, and the two sides have been exchanging fire ever since. Then on Sept. 17, about a week after the raid, thousands of pagers carried by Hezbollah members exploded across Lebanon. The next day, hundreds of walkie-talkies used by the militants detonated. Israel has neither confirmed nor denied a role in the attacks, which killed dozens of people and injured more than 3,000.

Israel then launched a heavy bombing campaign that has killed hundreds of people in Lebanon.

How Hezbollah and Iran will react remains an open question. Hezbollah has yet to mount an effective counterattack, but American officials believe the group wants vengeance for the string of attacks that began with the raid on the Syrian facility

They targeted Nasrallah in Beirut today
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/27 ... llah-hamas

"Israel Targets Hezbollah Leader in Strike on Residential Buildings Near Beirut
Officials said the target of the strike was Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah. It was not clear whether he was killed in the attack.
The attack came shortly after Benjamin Netanyahu, who is returning to Israel tonight, defended his country’s wars in Gaza and Lebanon at the U.N. in New York."
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PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 2:19 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:10 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:35 pm Mad dogs. Don’t want to be near them when the karma-rang comes.

“It was the deadliest day of Israeli attacks in Lebanon since at least 2006. More than a thousand were also injured, Lebanon’s health ministry said, without saying how many were civilians. The armed group Hezbollah sent rockets into northern Israel and vowed to keep attacking.”

Never, ever, ever put your hand near fighting dogs. Ever.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/23 ... -hezbollah
Don't stick around if Hezbollah parks a missile in your garage.
My garage? I have no garage in this fight, do you?
It's what is buried UNDER the garage where it gets interesting. You do know that unless you are firing from a mobile launcher there is a problem? When you backtrack the directional azimuth and elevation of the fired rocket it points to exactly where the launch point was. An artillery expert like our VP candidate can explain the rationale behind " shoot and scoot " You keep punching out rounds from the same location your life expectancy gets shorter and shorter. There are bad actors in Hezbollah that are finding this out the hard way. That is if they can find their recently blown off testicles while answering their pagers.
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Mad Man delivers a speech at the UN as the audience empties the venue. This is not going to end well for Bibi, the Israelis and the US. If Trump is elected, he will make it much worse.
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jhu72 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 4:39 pm Mad Man delivers a speech at the UN as the audience empties the venue. This is not going to end well for Bibi, the Israelis and the US. If Trump is elected, he will make it much worse.
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jhu72 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 4:39 pm Mad Man delivers a speech at the UN as the audience empties the venue. This is not going to end well for Bibi, the Israelis and the US. If Trump is elected, he will make it much worse.
Has WWIII already begun? Will this event(Bibi's address of the UN) mark the future arbitrary point of inception?
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 5:11 pm
jhu72 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 4:39 pm Mad Man delivers a speech at the UN as the audience empties the venue. This is not going to end well for Bibi, the Israelis and the US. If Trump is elected, he will make it much worse.
What would you want to be the perfect outcome?
That is such an easy question a kiddie garden student could answer it. Doc 72 wants Israel to lose and become subservient to the bad actors that surround the nation of Israel. The Jewish people have faced the reality already. They take very seriously threats from other nations that vow to wipe them off the face of the earth. I guess that is the end result of having had a crazy leader that actually did try to wipe them off the face of the earth. I have yet to hear the bad actors that surround Israel acknowledge their right to exist as a nation. Without that formal acknowledgement there will never be a 2 state solution.
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Alea iacta est.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... news-gaza/

“ The Middle East was bracing for possible retaliation from Hezbollah or its allies after Israel and Hezbollah announced the death of Hasan Nasrallah, the militant group’s longtime leader. The Israel Defense Forces said it “eliminated” Nasrallah in a Friday strike on Hezbollah’s “central headquarters” that leveled several residential buildings in the southern suburbs of Beirut. Israel’s defense minister said the strike was one of “the most important countermeasures” in Israel’s history, as Hezbollah allies across the region called for a swift response.”
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 3:37 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 2:19 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:10 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:35 pm Mad dogs. Don’t want to be near them when the karma-rang comes.

“It was the deadliest day of Israeli attacks in Lebanon since at least 2006. More than a thousand were also injured, Lebanon’s health ministry said, without saying how many were civilians. The armed group Hezbollah sent rockets into northern Israel and vowed to keep attacking.”

Never, ever, ever put your hand near fighting dogs. Ever.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/23 ... -hezbollah
Don't stick around if Hezbollah parks a missile in your garage.
My garage? I have no garage in this fight, do you?
It's what is buried UNDER the garage where it gets interesting. You do know that unless you are firing from a mobile launcher there is a problem? When you backtrack the directional azimuth and elevation of the fired rocket it points to exactly where the launch point was. An artillery expert like our VP candidate can explain the rationale behind " shoot and scoot " You keep punching out rounds from the same location your life expectancy gets shorter and shorter. There are bad actors in Hezbollah that are finding this out the hard way. That is if they can find their recently blown off testicles while answering their pagers.
The ahistorical CS ignoring over a century of history. Israel has not lived up to the terms of independence, has made itself into sn apartheid state, has different levels of justice for Israelis and Arabs and has allowed settlers to destroy property, murder and steal land as a proxy. There will never be peace as long as Israel wants ALL the land and subservience too. Neither side is without fault and no side has a monopoly on grievance.
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jhu72 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 4:39 pm Mad Man delivers a speech at the UN as the audience empties the venue. This is not going to end well for Bibi, the Israelis and the US. If Trump is elected, he will make it much worse.
Maybe you missed this last time....

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