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youthathletics wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:16 am Exothermic Core Pulse hypothesis worked again...

Initial find here --> https://x.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1820488862462087559
Took me to here --> https://theethicalskeptic.com/2020/02/1 ... our-peril/
Then to here --> https://be.creativesociety.com/storage/ ... Report.pdf

Reading the comments in in the 2nd link, they are filled with counter ideas that seem to parlay into far more natural occurring events. Not entirely ruling out humans can and should do better.
Forget about all that non sense Biden is now going to save the planet by banning plastic knives, forks,spoons straws and cups. I just breathed a huge sigh of relief. My wife and I are going to have to learn how to use chopsticks. I wonder when the plastic cutlery division of the FBI will be mustered in? You there getting ready to cut your food... drop the cutlery and stand up and back away from the plate. In the name of planet earth do as I say. We will shoot you with environmentally safe lead free bullets. 8-)
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"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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These people scuk.

"Scientists with financial ties to industry and histories of producing controversial research to derail chemical regulations are mobilizing to attack strict new federal drinking water limits for toxic PFAS, or “forever chemicals”, documents reviewed by the Guardian reveal."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... king-water
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Nothing to see — move along.

Just another day in the South Coast paradise.

“They’re handling it,” the operator responded. “Nothing to worry about.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... ncer-alley
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Wasn't sure where to put this, but the story is kind of remarkable:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate- ... greenland/

"The strange rumble was detected mid-September last year. An odd seismic signal appeared at scientific stations around the globe, but it didn’t look like the busy squiggles of an earthquake. A day passed, and the slow tremor still reverberated. When it continued for a third day, scientists worldwide began assembling to discuss what was causing the grumble in the ground.

Some initially thought the seismic instruments recording the signal were broken, but that was quickly nixed. Maybe it was a new volcano emerging before their eyes, others said. One jokingly ruled out an alien party. As theories were checked off, the scientists dubbed the signal an “Unidentified Seismic Object,” or USO.

“No one had ever seen this. We have nothing to compare it with,” said Kristian Svennevig, a geologist at the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland.

Nine days later, the vibrations greatly dissipated. But the mystery of the USO lasted much longer. A year later, the puzzle has been solved, according to a study published in the journal Science on Thursday. It took about 70 people from 15 different countries and more than 8,000 exchanged messages (long enough for a 900-page detective novel) to crack the case.

The short answer: A mega-tsunami created waves that sloshed back and forth in a fjord in Greenland, creating vibrations that traveled around the world.

A landslide, a tsunami and a seiche

The long answer begins in the atmosphere. As greenhouse gas concentrations increase due to climate change, those heat-trapping gases accelerate ice melt particularly around Earth’s poles. On Sept. 16 last year, that extra heat thinned a glacier in eastern Greenland over time so much that it could no longer support the mountain rock above it.

A 500-foot-thick piece of metamorphic rock, about a third of a mile wide and long, fell and triggered a massive landslide. Rock and ice, enough to fill 10,000 Olympic-size swimming pools, let loose as fast as 47 meters per second and ran for more than a mile. The avalanche plunged into the Dickson Fjord, triggering a 650-foot-high tsunami — one of the highest seen in recent history.

Farther away from the fjord, tsunami waves reaching 13 feet high damaged an unoccupied research station and destroyed cultural and archaeological heritage sites, including an old trapper hut that had never been affected by tsunamis during its century-old history. It destroyed about $200,000 worth of infrastructure. Although the Dickson Fjord is commonly visited by tourist cruise ships, no ships were nearby. No fatalities were reported.

Meanwhile, in the fjord, the mega-tsunami wave traveled back and forth in the inlet and created a standing wave called a seiche. We often see small-scale seiches — this rhythmic oscillation in water — in a swimming pool or bathtub. This tsunami source was so energetic that the seiche radiated seismic waves globally, shaking the planet for nine days before it petered out.

Members of the Danish military sailed into the fjord only days after the event to collect drone imagery of the collapsed mountain face and glacier front and scars left by the tsunami.

Of course, Svennevig and many of his close colleagues didn’t fully know of the connection between the tsunamigenic landslide and the seiche as the events unfolded, which is detailed in the study.

At the time, they were scratching their heads about the data at the seismograph stations. The seiche appeared as a single slow vibration, like a monotonous-sounding hum, as opposed to the frantic lines of a typical earthquake reading. The wave peaked every 92 seconds, which is slow compared with an earthquake.

Seiches are well known, but no one had seen something of this variety. Svennevig, the lead author of the study, said it was like seeing a rainbow but with an extra color that no one had observed before.

“When we started doing this research, nobody had any ideas about what was the root cause,” said Carl Ebeling, a co-author of the study and a seismologist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California at San Diego. “Even for a large landslide under normal circumstances, it would be hard to see that on a global scale, so something special is going on here.”

Not quite bathtub science

As some scientists investigated the peculiar seismic data, another group of authorities and researchers had heard of a large tsunami in a remote fjord in eastern Greenland. The two teams, among others, joined forces, quickly growing into a 24/7 international collaboration via a messaging system. The group brought a variety of local field data and remote, global-scale observations.

“We knew there was a landslide and a tsunami. You could pull the seismic signal of those,” Svennevig said. “But then there was this other seismic signal that continued for nine days, and they were taken from roughly the same area, so they must be associated somehow.”

The seiche signal was so befuddling that one team member tried to re-create the long-lasting seiche wave in his bathtub, using a small Styrofoam float and a tape measure. It didn’t work — to no surprise to tsunami modelers.

Instead, tsunami modelers turned to advanced mathematical models to simulate how to create the wave’s height, slow movement and duration. Even then, they initially failed.

The breakthrough came when they received new bathymetry data of the fjord, similar to a topographic map, from the Danish military, which allowed them to better map the seabed in the computer models. Once incorporated, the team used an unprecedentedly high resolution model to show how the landslide direction, along with the uniquely narrow and bendy fjord channel, led to the nine-day seiche.

Svennevig and his colleagues aren’t the only ones who have been studying the global event. In August, a team of six German researchers studied the event primarily through satellite imagery. Their published findings revealed a similar story that a massive landslide caused the tsunami and long-lasting seiche, although the new study details the entire sliding process.

“This event with its fascinating, more-than-a-week-long oscillations triggered the interest of many working groups around the globe,” said Gesa Petersen, who was an author of the August study but was not involved in the new one. “The methods chosen by the teams are different, but the results agree well.”

While the landslide is the obvious instigator of events, “the root cause of this lies in climate change,” said Alice Gabriel, a co-author of the new study and a seismologist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. She said this is the first landslide of this size to occur in eastern Greenland. Large landslides are more well known in western Greenland, like a massive event in 2017 that caused four fatalities and left two villages abandoned permanently.

Many aspects of climate change are already destabilizing mountain slopes worldwide, whether from increased precipitation, increased air temperatures, or snow or ice loss, said Leigh Stearns, a glaciologist at the University of Pennsylvania who was not involved in either study. She said this landslide and tsunami event highlights the domino effect that can happen with loss of even a small glacier, but it probably won’t be the last one as temperatures rise.

“It would not be surprising if there are more destabilization events in east Greenland and elsewhere,” she said."
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:38 am Wasn't sure where to put this, but the story is kind of remarkable:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate- ... greenland/

"The strange rumble was detected mid-September last year. An odd seismic signal appeared at scientific stations around the globe, but it didn’t look like the busy squiggles of an earthquake. A day passed, and the slow tremor still reverberated. When it continued for a third day, scientists worldwide began assembling to discuss what was causing the grumble in the ground.

Some initially thought the seismic instruments recording the signal were broken, but that was quickly nixed. Maybe it was a new volcano emerging before their eyes, others said. One jokingly ruled out an alien party. As theories were checked off, the scientists dubbed the signal an “Unidentified Seismic Object,” or USO.

“No one had ever seen this. We have nothing to compare it with,” said Kristian Svennevig, a geologist at the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland.

Nine days later, the vibrations greatly dissipated. But the mystery of the USO lasted much longer. A year later, the puzzle has been solved, according to a study published in the journal Science on Thursday. It took about 70 people from 15 different countries and more than 8,000 exchanged messages (long enough for a 900-page detective novel) to crack the case.

The short answer: A mega-tsunami created waves that sloshed back and forth in a fjord in Greenland, creating vibrations that traveled around the world.

A landslide, a tsunami and a seiche

The long answer begins in the atmosphere. As greenhouse gas concentrations increase due to climate change, those heat-trapping gases accelerate ice melt particularly around Earth’s poles. On Sept. 16 last year, that extra heat thinned a glacier in eastern Greenland over time so much that it could no longer support the mountain rock above it.

A 500-foot-thick piece of metamorphic rock, about a third of a mile wide and long, fell and triggered a massive landslide. Rock and ice, enough to fill 10,000 Olympic-size swimming pools, let loose as fast as 47 meters per second and ran for more than a mile. The avalanche plunged into the Dickson Fjord, triggering a 650-foot-high tsunami — one of the highest seen in recent history.

Farther away from the fjord, tsunami waves reaching 13 feet high damaged an unoccupied research station and destroyed cultural and archaeological heritage sites, including an old trapper hut that had never been affected by tsunamis during its century-old history. It destroyed about $200,000 worth of infrastructure. Although the Dickson Fjord is commonly visited by tourist cruise ships, no ships were nearby. No fatalities were reported.

Meanwhile, in the fjord, the mega-tsunami wave traveled back and forth in the inlet and created a standing wave called a seiche. We often see small-scale seiches — this rhythmic oscillation in water — in a swimming pool or bathtub. This tsunami source was so energetic that the seiche radiated seismic waves globally, shaking the planet for nine days before it petered out.

Members of the Danish military sailed into the fjord only days after the event to collect drone imagery of the collapsed mountain face and glacier front and scars left by the tsunami.

Of course, Svennevig and many of his close colleagues didn’t fully know of the connection between the tsunamigenic landslide and the seiche as the events unfolded, which is detailed in the study.

At the time, they were scratching their heads about the data at the seismograph stations. The seiche appeared as a single slow vibration, like a monotonous-sounding hum, as opposed to the frantic lines of a typical earthquake reading. The wave peaked every 92 seconds, which is slow compared with an earthquake.

Seiches are well known, but no one had seen something of this variety. Svennevig, the lead author of the study, said it was like seeing a rainbow but with an extra color that no one had observed before.

“When we started doing this research, nobody had any ideas about what was the root cause,” said Carl Ebeling, a co-author of the study and a seismologist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California at San Diego. “Even for a large landslide under normal circumstances, it would be hard to see that on a global scale, so something special is going on here.”

Not quite bathtub science

As some scientists investigated the peculiar seismic data, another group of authorities and researchers had heard of a large tsunami in a remote fjord in eastern Greenland. The two teams, among others, joined forces, quickly growing into a 24/7 international collaboration via a messaging system. The group brought a variety of local field data and remote, global-scale observations.

“We knew there was a landslide and a tsunami. You could pull the seismic signal of those,” Svennevig said. “But then there was this other seismic signal that continued for nine days, and they were taken from roughly the same area, so they must be associated somehow.”

The seiche signal was so befuddling that one team member tried to re-create the long-lasting seiche wave in his bathtub, using a small Styrofoam float and a tape measure. It didn’t work — to no surprise to tsunami modelers.

Instead, tsunami modelers turned to advanced mathematical models to simulate how to create the wave’s height, slow movement and duration. Even then, they initially failed.

The breakthrough came when they received new bathymetry data of the fjord, similar to a topographic map, from the Danish military, which allowed them to better map the seabed in the computer models. Once incorporated, the team used an unprecedentedly high resolution model to show how the landslide direction, along with the uniquely narrow and bendy fjord channel, led to the nine-day seiche.

Svennevig and his colleagues aren’t the only ones who have been studying the global event. In August, a team of six German researchers studied the event primarily through satellite imagery. Their published findings revealed a similar story that a massive landslide caused the tsunami and long-lasting seiche, although the new study details the entire sliding process.

“This event with its fascinating, more-than-a-week-long oscillations triggered the interest of many working groups around the globe,” said Gesa Petersen, who was an author of the August study but was not involved in the new one. “The methods chosen by the teams are different, but the results agree well.”

While the landslide is the obvious instigator of events, “the root cause of this lies in climate change,” said Alice Gabriel, a co-author of the new study and a seismologist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. She said this is the first landslide of this size to occur in eastern Greenland. Large landslides are more well known in western Greenland, like a massive event in 2017 that caused four fatalities and left two villages abandoned permanently.

Many aspects of climate change are already destabilizing mountain slopes worldwide, whether from increased precipitation, increased air temperatures, or snow or ice loss, said Leigh Stearns, a glaciologist at the University of Pennsylvania who was not involved in either study. She said this landslide and tsunami event highlights the domino effect that can happen with loss of even a small glacier, but it probably won’t be the last one as temperatures rise.

“It would not be surprising if there are more destabilization events in east Greenland and elsewhere,” she said."
That’s a great article
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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/20/constel ... osoft.html

"Constellation Energy to restart Three Mile Island nuclear plant, sell the power to Microsoft for AI
Constellation Energy plans to restart the Unit 1 reactor at Three Mile Island.
It will sell the power to Microsoft to support the power needs of data centers.
Unit 1 is separate from the reactor that partially melted down in 1979 in the worst nuclear accident in U.S. history.
Constellation Energy plans to restart the Three Mile Island nuclear plant and will sell the power to Microsoft, demonstrating the immense power needs of the tech sector as they build out data centers to support artificial intelligence.

Constellation expects the Unit 1 reactor at Three Mile Island to come back online in 2028, subject to approval by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the company announced Friday.

Unit 1 ceased operations in 2019 because it could not compete economically with cheap natural gas and renewables. It is separate from the reactor that partially melted down in 1979 in the worst nuclear accident in U.S. history.

Microsoft will purchase electricity from the plant to match the energy its data centers consume with carbon-free power. Constellation described the agreement with Microsoft as the largest power purchase agreement that the nuclear plant operator has ever signed. "
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Uh oh......we have a juxtaposition here. https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1837142080398716982

Is the TWP now fake news?
Or
Are we really not in a warming crisis and TWP now trying to subtly walk it back?

Get your sweaters out. :lol:

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youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:54 pm Uh oh......we have a juxtaposition here. https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1837142080398716982

Is the TWP now fake news?
Or
Are we really not in a warming crisis and TWP now trying to subtly walk it back?
Geez. YA.

Tell you what: I'll give you the weekend to think about what you just posted. Look at the chart again, think about how long humans were in that chart, and use your head.
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a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:59 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:54 pm Uh oh......we have a juxtaposition here. https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1837142080398716982

Is the TWP now fake news?
Or
Are we really not in a warming crisis and TWP now trying to subtly walk it back?
Geez. YA.

Tell you what: I'll give you the weekend to think about what you just posted. Look at the chart again, think about how long humans were in that chart, and use your head.
That's the entire point....catch up.
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a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:59 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:54 pm Uh oh......we have a juxtaposition here. https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1837142080398716982

Is the TWP now fake news?
Or
Are we really not in a warming crisis and TWP now trying to subtly walk it back?
Geez. YA.

Tell you what: I'll give you the weekend to think about what you just posted. Look at the chart again, think about how long humans were in that chart, and use your head.
Bingo.
Let's IGNORE all the current data while we're at, too. It's all biased anyway by of bunch of liberal scientists. :oops:
A reminder that the Inquisition thought Galileo and Copernicus were heretics, too. Who ended up be correct?
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:02 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:59 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:54 pm Uh oh......we have a juxtaposition here. https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1837142080398716982

Is the TWP now fake news?
Or
Are we really not in a warming crisis and TWP now trying to subtly walk it back?
Geez. YA.

Tell you what: I'll give you the weekend to think about what you just posted. Look at the chart again, think about how long humans were in that chart, and use your head.
That's the entire point....catch up.
Yeah, you didn't do as I asked. Think about humans, and temps you think we can survive. Looking at hotter periods where we're not there ain't real helpful.
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a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:02 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:59 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:54 pm Uh oh......we have a juxtaposition here. https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1837142080398716982

Is the TWP now fake news?
Or
Are we really not in a warming crisis and TWP now trying to subtly walk it back?
Geez. YA.

Tell you what: I'll give you the weekend to think about what you just posted. Look at the chart again, think about how long humans were in that chart, and use your head.
That's the entire point....catch up.
Yeah, you didn't do as I asked. Think about humans, and temps you think we can survive. Looking at hotter periods where we're not there ain't real helpful.
The point, which eludes you, and as cradle often states, 'the earth is going earth' and the temps were at their highest in this chart when zero humans were roaming the earth...and yet, we somehow believe we can control that.

Of course we can be great stewards to this God provided visit we are offered, but to think we can 'control' mother nature, when it is clear as day, She is going to do her thing regardless.
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:30 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:02 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:59 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:54 pm Uh oh......we have a juxtaposition here. https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1837142080398716982

Is the TWP now fake news?
Or
Are we really not in a warming crisis and TWP now trying to subtly walk it back?
Geez. YA.

Tell you what: I'll give you the weekend to think about what you just posted. Look at the chart again, think about how long humans were in that chart, and use your head.
That's the entire point....catch up.
Yeah, you didn't do as I asked. Think about humans, and temps you think we can survive. Looking at hotter periods where we're not there ain't real helpful.
The point, which eludes you, and as cradle often states, 'the earth is going earth' and the temps were at their highest in this chart when zero humans were roaming the earth...and yet, we somehow believe we can control that.

Of course we can be great stewards to this God provided visit we are offered, but to think we can 'control' mother nature, when it is clear as day, She is going to do her thing regardless.
I asked one time if we humans could have prevented the eruption of Mt. Saint Helens. Nobody on this forum offered up a solution. I wonder why that is?
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:30 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:02 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:59 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:54 pm Uh oh......we have a juxtaposition here. https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1837142080398716982

Is the TWP now fake news?
Or
Are we really not in a warming crisis and TWP now trying to subtly walk it back?
Geez. YA.

Tell you what: I'll give you the weekend to think about what you just posted. Look at the chart again, think about how long humans were in that chart, and use your head.
That's the entire point....catch up.
Yeah, you didn't do as I asked. Think about humans, and temps you think we can survive. Looking at hotter periods where we're not there ain't real helpful.
The point, which eludes you, and as cradle often states, 'the earth is going earth' and the temps were at their highest in this chart when zero humans were roaming the earth...and yet, we somehow believe we can control that.

Of course we can be great stewards to this God provided visit we are offered, but to think we can 'control' mother nature, when it is clear as day, She is going to do her thing regardless.
Except for that vertical line at the right side of the chart which is the opposite of what Mother Nature had been doing for quite some time before that (for about 25 million years).
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:36 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:30 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:02 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:59 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:54 pm Uh oh......we have a juxtaposition here. https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1837142080398716982

Is the TWP now fake news?
Or
Are we really not in a warming crisis and TWP now trying to subtly walk it back?
Geez. YA.

Tell you what: I'll give you the weekend to think about what you just posted. Look at the chart again, think about how long humans were in that chart, and use your head.
That's the entire point....catch up.
Yeah, you didn't do as I asked. Think about humans, and temps you think we can survive. Looking at hotter periods where we're not there ain't real helpful.
The point, which eludes you, and as cradle often states, 'the earth is going earth' and the temps were at their highest in this chart when zero humans were roaming the earth...and yet, we somehow believe we can control that.

Of course we can be great stewards to this God provided visit we are offered, but to think we can 'control' mother nature, when it is clear as day, She is going to do her thing regardless.
I asked one time if we humans could have prevented the eruption of Mt. Saint Helens. Nobody on this forum offered up a solution. I wonder why that is?
Because it's an idiotic question not worthy of a response. And has nothing to do with how we're affecting the global climate.

So no, obviously we could not have prevented the eruption of Mt. Saint Helens. Another reason no one responded, because it's obvious. We may be able prevent or control eruptions in the future, for better or worse.

But we do have the technology to create (and clean up) worldwide environmental disasters, drive species to extinction, poison all human life on earth, and destroy most life on the planet with the press of a few buttons. And have had the capability for about a century, possibly longer.
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Kismet wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:00 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:30 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:02 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:59 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:54 pm Uh oh......we have a juxtaposition here. https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1837142080398716982

Is the TWP now fake news?
Or
Are we really not in a warming crisis and TWP now trying to subtly walk it back?
Geez. YA.

Tell you what: I'll give you the weekend to think about what you just posted. Look at the chart again, think about how long humans were in that chart, and use your head.
That's the entire point....catch up.
Yeah, you didn't do as I asked. Think about humans, and temps you think we can survive. Looking at hotter periods where we're not there ain't real helpful.
The point, which eludes you, and as cradle often states, 'the earth is going earth' and the temps were at their highest in this chart when zero humans were roaming the earth...and yet, we somehow believe we can control that.

Of course we can be great stewards to this God provided visit we are offered, but to think we can 'control' mother nature, when it is clear as day, She is going to do her thing regardless.
Except for that vertical line at the right side of the chart which is the opposite of what Mother Nature had been doing for quite some time before that.
Weird that it doesn't show up anywhere else. Wonder what the correlation is?

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Re: All Things Environment

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Kismet wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:00 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:30 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:02 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:59 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:54 pm Uh oh......we have a juxtaposition here. https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1837142080398716982

Is the TWP now fake news?
Or
Are we really not in a warming crisis and TWP now trying to subtly walk it back?
Geez. YA.

Tell you what: I'll give you the weekend to think about what you just posted. Look at the chart again, think about how long humans were in that chart, and use your head.
That's the entire point....catch up.
Yeah, you didn't do as I asked. Think about humans, and temps you think we can survive. Looking at hotter periods where we're not there ain't real helpful.
The point, which eludes you, and as cradle often states, 'the earth is going earth' and the temps were at their highest in this chart when zero humans were roaming the earth...and yet, we somehow believe we can control that.

Of course we can be great stewards to this God provided visit we are offered, but to think we can 'control' mother nature, when it is clear as day, She is going to do her thing regardless.
Except for that vertical line at the right side of the chart which is the opposite of what Mother Nature had been doing for quite some time before that (for about 25 million years).
Not following you, sorry.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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